Tennessee bans lots of Drag Shows and gender-affirming care for kids

[fantome profane]

Hypotheses non fingo.

Well, if you remember, it was just the other day that I was criticizing someone who was not allowing people into a book store because they were wearing MAGA paraphernalia. And I know you commented.

 

[lukethethird]

Tennessee's Governor has signed a bill banning Drag Shows in many venues, and gender-affirming care for kids.

I think Harry Potter movies and plays (like Harry Potter and the Haunted Child) should likewise be banned. It can't possibly be good for kids to see people dressed like and pretending to be wizards and warlocks.

And all those Shakespeare plays where women dress as men, well, they need to be banned, too.

And parents with children suffering from any sort of gender dysphoria are out of luck getting any sort of help. They'll just have to beat it out of them, I suppose. That'll be better for them, and if not, it'll increase the likelihood they'll commit suicide and thus make the problem go away.

Hurrah for Tennessee, and all the Neanderthals therein.

Tennessee's Governor is probably a closet queen.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Tennessee's Governor is probably a closet queen.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks...

 

[Audie]

Tennessee's Governor has signed a bill banning Drag Shows in many venues, and gender-affirming care for kids.

I think Harry Potter movies and plays (like Harry Potter and the Haunted Child) should likewise be banned. It can't possibly be good for kids to see people dressed like and pretending to be wizards and warlocks.

And all those Shakespeare plays where women dress as men, well, they need to be banned, too.

And parents with children suffering from any sort of gender dysphoria are out of luck getting any sort of help. They'll just have to beat it out of them, I suppose. That'll be better for them, and if not, it'll increase the likelihood they'll commit suicide and thus make the problem go away.

Hurrah for Tennessee, and all the Neanderthals therein.

I don’t know how anyone can support child abuse

 

[Sand Dancer]

And thoughts and prayers have accomplished what, exactly? (I mean, that can be documented.)

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don’t know how anyone can support child abuse

And what do you consider "child abuse" in this context? If your child, born with a penis, says to you "I don't care about that, I don't even want it because I'm a girl," how is seeking "gender-affirming help" abusive?

To me, I'd say this kid has a very serious problem that needs professional help that I'm not qualified to provide.

@Audie, I know something about child abuse -- quite a lot, actually. I survived it (though my step-father nearly killed me twice before I was 7). I know what it's like to be different (I knew I was gay by the time I was 8 years old), and how hard it is to live with being different.

Do you think I support "child abuse?" Do you think I don't know that children know "who they are?" They do, and the worst abuse is to try to tell them "no you're not!" What could possibly more abusive than to deny a person's own reality?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Even in the 1940s, audiences enjoyed men in drag. Like the film "Some Like it Hot", or in the 1950s, Bugs Bunny often was depicted in drag. In the 1970s, we had Klinger from the MASH TV show. Now all of the sudden Republicans are acting like the American Taliban. I could think of more examples of drag in film and TV, but this will have to do for now.

And song with things like Take a Walk on the Wild Side and Dude Looks Like a Lady.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This has always been one of the great philosophical questions of our society. Which is worse, seeing a rabbit in a dress, or seeing a duck shot in the face?

And America seems to be trying to answer it!

Drag is far worse, killing is just something we all do, from time to time.

You can depict the most violent deaths in movies in America -- blood and guts, dismemberment, horrible agony and all the rest, but showing people making love is hugely upsetting. Don't ask me why. Maybe Americans should ask themselves the question -- "why would you rather see a man hanged, drawn and quartered than a man making sensual love to the woman he hopes to live with forever?"

But the truth is -- you've got a million movies with the former, almost none with the latter. What do you learn about American values from that?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think prepubescents shouldn't be taught LGBT issues.
And shouldn't watch such things.

Why when just about all of us know during that tine?

 

[Sand Dancer]

The reason American started dressing boys and girls differently was so clothing companies could make more money. If little sister couldn't wear big brother's cloths, mom had to spend more $$ at the clothing store:

The complicated gender history of pink | CNN

Historically, boys wore pink, girls wore blue, everyone could wear a dress or anyone could wear pants.

Sometimes I wonder if dresses were made normal for females so they couldn't participate in men's activities. Too restricting.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And America seems to be trying to answer it!

Drag is far worse, killing is just something we all do, from time to time.

You can depict the most violent deaths in movies in America -- blood and guts, dismemberment, horrible agony and all the rest, but showing people making love is hugely upsetting. Don't ask me why. Maybe Americans should ask themselves the question -- "why would you rather see a man hanged, drawn and quartered than a man making sensual love to the woman he hopes to live with forever?"

But the truth is -- you've got a million movies with the former, almost none with the latter. What do you learn about American values from that?

I want to add to this....

I see so much about "pro-life" from so many conservatives. I am myself pro-life (but not conservative).

But why, really why, do movies feel free to depict so many ways for people to die horribly, and dread depicting how life is created?

Sometimes, us humans is nuts!

 

[Stevicus]

Well, it looks like Arizona's Republican-majority state senate passed a couple of bills banning drag shows: Anti-drag bills win unanimous approval from Senate GOP (azmirror.com)

Teachers who play movies like Mulan or Mrs. Doubtfire in class would jeopardize their school’s funding, under a proposal Senate Republicans on Thursday sold as protecting children from the dangers of drag shows.

“I don’t think government money should be spent to confuse and disturb children,” said Sen. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, who sponsored the measure.

His legislation, Senate Bill 1026, prohibits any entity that receives state funding from hosting a “drag show targeting minors” or risk forfeiting that money for three years. But an amendment also bans school districts, cities and towns from using private money to pay for such a show.

Democrats opposed the bill, which passed on a party line vote of 16-13, denouncing it as yet another attack on the LGBTQ community in a landmark year for Arizona Republicans, who have introduced a spate of discriminatory legislation.

“It’s mind-boggling that we are focusing on these types of bills instead of the priorities that are on the minds of Arizonans,” said Sen. Raquel Terán, D-Phoenix.

More pressing issues like the looming housing crisis, education funding and the increasingly contentious state budget process should be at the top of the legislative agenda, she said, not proposals that contribute to hostility toward an already marginalized community. Bills like Kavanagh’s only signal to violent bigots that their behavior is acceptable, she warned.

Of course, banning drag shows is obviously much more important than dealing with the housing crisis, education funding, or the state budget - not to mention the roads. The potholes are terrible. The roads are a shambles. And then there's the years-long drought and water shortages faced by multiple western states. But the state legislature has to have its priorities.

Governor Hobbs will probably veto it anyway.

 

[Father Heathen]

I didn't see any link to the story.

People in different locales ban behavior or dress they find offensive. So what? How is this different from some "Karen" forcing someone wearing a MAGA hat to take it off or a college finding a Christian message on a shirt a "micro-aggression"? If the people of Tennessee want to keep drag out of their public venues, that is just their business. Some states go so far as to forbid public nudity too. Shocking, I know.

Weren't you the one whining about public smoking bans?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Well, it looks like Arizona's Republican-majority state senate passed a couple of bills banning drag shows: Anti-drag bills win unanimous approval from Senate GOP (azmirror.com)





Of course, banning drag shows is obviously much more important than dealing with the housing crisis, education funding, or the state budget - not to mention the roads. The potholes are terrible. The roads are a shambles. And then there's the years-long drought and water shortages faced by multiple western states. But the state legislature has to have its priorities.

Governor Hobbs will probably veto it anyway.

You hint at, but don't articulate in full, the real issue -- how populism can lead directly to a focus on "scary things" (like people who are "different") and away from the more mundane things like roads and sewage and climate.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Anyone remember the movie Shakespeare in Love?

Back hundreds of years ago, it was illegal for women to work as actors on stage, yet, there were women parts to plays, so they had to be filled by men. Men had to dress in drag as women as at that time that was the only socially acceptable way for female-lead roles to be acted upon in theater.

It seems with this bill we have gone completely 180 degrees. Now it is illegal in Tennessee for a man to be in the role of a woman and a woman to be in the role of a man on stage.

Both customs are ridiculous. Some men understand women's roles and some women understand men's roles just fine in play. I don't care if a female role is played by a man, woman or someone who claims to be non-binary. Same goes with male roles too. What is more important is how well those roles can be play, and who can fulfill those roles the best.

 

[fantome profane]

What is more important is how well those roles can be play, and who can fulfill those roles the best.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is an indefensible view. LGBT people exist in society, and they should be acknowledged as existing.

It's really an issue of fundamentals.

Does the mind determine one's sex, or does the body determine ones sex?

I think that's where the conflicts lay.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don’t know how anyone can support child abuse

"I don't know how anyone can support baby killing"

 

[Twilight Hue]

You merely existing in 'women's costume' near children is suspicious to the people who signed these bills.

Well....

 

[lukethethird]

Well....

She looks like she was having a bad hair day.