I don't see what the point would be of hiding that. I doubt it's true. There was only 3 of them in the Bataclan and the attack only lasted 20 minutes, with 89 people killed. They didn't have the time or the manpower to do all that.
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Terror attack in Nice [confirmed] - Lorry rammed into crowd - at least 30 dead
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
My comment neither says that or claims it. Nice deflection from my point however.
Yes, that is true. There were people from all over the world in that crowd - white, black, Asian, etc.; Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, etc. Nice is a very popular tourist destination. Very beautiful. I saw the videos from it. Muslims were killed, too, and there's images of Muslim women in shock and crying from it. I am really sickened by the comments I've seen from lunatics who are trying to make this into some racist thing and/or calling for a war against Islam. They disgust me. I'd rather exterminate them than some innocent Muslims who are victims, too. I find it very ironic that the far-right haters blame multiculturalism for this when the attackers are actually destroying true multiculturalism!
Aquitaine
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Not immigration per se, rather the "immigration" of extremist branches in to an ideology's mainstream.
It's not confirmed that this even had anything to do with extremist Islam. No group has claimed responsibility for it and they haven't found that the attacker had ties to extremist ideology.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ely-jihadist-beat-wife-NEVER-went-mosque.html
Aquitaine
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I'm legitimately surprised the Daily Mail went with the linked Damage Control article: usually they're the ones baiting Muslims.
It is about immigration as a whole because one cannot distinguish friend from foe.
As I said, it's "early", implying that reports can change.
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Aquitaine
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Not necessarily: "native" people can and have committed acts of terrorism against the host country. Foes are those who hold views - and carry out acts - similar to ISIS and other extremist organisations who're hell-bent on destruction.
It's about an ideology's battle with radicalisation.
Very sad news. May the victims rest in peace. I wish their families patience and solace.
I don't think this attack has anything to do with "Islamic extremism." Not once in my whole life have I read or heard any fatwas agreed on by the majority of mainstream Islamic scholars implying that driving a truck into a crowd of innocent people, Muslim or not, is permissible at all. Actually, I decided to make extra sure just now, so I googled fatwas in Arabic about whether or not it is permissible to kill peaceful non-combatant non-Muslims, and even the fatwa I found on a fundamentalist Saudi website says that no, it isn't.
At this point I feel like some people would still blame "Islamic extremism" if an insane Muslim decided to try to blow up the Kaaba. There are many solid grounds on which to criticize Islam. I don't think harping on repeatedly refuted misinformation is one of them.
I don't think this attack has anything to do with "Islamic extremism." Not once in my whole life have I read or heard any fatwas agreed on by the majority of mainstream Islamic scholars implying that driving a truck into a crowd of innocent people, Muslim or not, is permissible at all. Actually, I decided to make extra sure just now, so I googled fatwas in Arabic about whether or not it is permissible to kill peaceful non-combatant non-Muslims, and even the fatwa I found on a fundamentalist Saudi website says that no, it isn't.
At this point I feel like some people would still blame "Islamic extremism" if an insane Muslim decided to try to blow up the Kaaba. There are many solid grounds on which to criticize Islam. I don't think harping on repeatedly refuted misinformation is one of them.
Good news!
There's one story I'm really glad is bogus.
(I started forming mental pictures.)
Yeah, the Daily Mail is sketchy but that is the story as it is now. We simply don't know why he did it. He was an extremely troubled person with a history of violent outbursts, either way.
The actual images from it are bad enough without adding false embellishments into the mix, trust me.
I didn't look at any pix....just read enuf descriptions to get the idea.
I've been part of the whole death and gore scene for a long time and have a big interest in true crime, so I tend to look into these things. It's not for everyone, but it does help with understanding and it's also helpful with combating falsities. The people were gunned down with AKs that they sprayed the crowd with, reloading about 3-4 times. There were reports of them using grenades and they also detonated suicide vests. Anyway, the victims were mostly gunned down, not knifed or tortured to death.
the update news :
I heard he is not religious,he don't pray salah. , he drinks ,and got family problems"divorced", probably homelless,already reported him many time by police as theif and voilent person,
I don't know if it's even fair to link him to extremisms.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Though is there a potential miscommunication regarding our interpretations (and differentiation) of the terms "Islamic extremism" and "Islamic fundamentalism/orthodoxy"?
Did he say Shahada?
Good question. In a lot of cases, I use "Islamic extremism" and "Islamic fundamentalism" interchangeably, like when we're talking about how homosexual sex is considered a capital crime, for example. As far as I can see, there are differences between the two, though: if "fundamentalist Islam" means "Islam that strictly goes by the Qur'an and hadiths based on literal interpretations thereof," then it is different from Islamic extremism in that, for instance, its teachings would oppose killing the children of non-Muslims. Clearly, groups like al-Qaeda don't mind doing so, so their beliefs on a lot of issues are more violent than fundamentalist Islamic beliefs.
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
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Learn how to read pal. Before I tell you to take a hike read this and tell me what you think it means; DISCLAIMER~WHEN I REFERENCE MUSLIMS IN A DEROGATORY FASHION I AM SPEAKING OF THOSE MUSLIMS THAT USE VIOLENCE AS AN MEANS TO AN ENDS. AS A CHRISTIAN I LOVE MY PEACEFUL 'MODERATE' MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO ARE THE MAJORITY~ its a cut from my reply. for your information I went on to say we Christians have equally bad apples too. I suppose you in your rush to spread untrue filth about the hated Christians, including me you missed that as well, eh? I can excuse ignorance of the English language, so if that is your problem you are forgiven. If something more evil is afoot, for example if your Muslim mates are terrorist or radicalized extremists that use murder rape and torture as a means to an end forgiveness is not an option. I think God will forgive that 'not forgiving' transgression and if he does not I am prepared to take what comes my way. Lastly just for fun I requested a friend of mine to screw and glue me back together after I nearly died when my Harley Davidson was crushed by a drunk driver. Yeah, the head Ortho on the trauma team that repaired my broken bones is a devout Muslim and she was there at my urging. If I had a problem with sane true Muslims I damn sure would not allow her to touch me much less have her arms elbow deep inside me.
So, lastly and again I am asking you and the usual suspects of christian despising members to read what is actually written and not what you think is written or worse. Such unfounded and deliberate personal attacks and attacks of ones beliefs has the stink of bigotry