Terrorist attack in Paris: 12 dead, 7 injured

[oldbadger]

........................Salmon Rushdie didn't invade any of their countries, he just wrote a book they didn't like. But he now has to spend the rest of his life in hiding from these people because they want to kill him. Ayaan Hirsi Ali didn't invade anybody's country. She simply pointed out the terrible and oppressive ideas she finds within Islamic belief to the world, and now she too has to face the rest of her life under constant threat of death from these people

.... Wow!
Good points..... sledge hammer points....

 

[oldbadger]

I agree, and the west's "crusades" in the Middle East have done a great deal of damage. On the other hand though, if people choose to live in a secular democracy then surely they need to accept the values and laws of that society, and not attempt to undermine them with cowardly terrorist atrocities.

Hi........
I was trawling for info and read that the French Government closed this same crew down after they upset the nation after De Gaulle's death. They used a legal lopp-hole to return soon afterwards as 'Charlie Weekly' (Charlie Hebdo)

My point is that the French can close down nasty outfits if they want to..... if it suits them.... freedom of speech don't seem to count, sometimes....... in France.

I'll post the www site and some of the scribble here:-

10 Incendiary Moments In The History Of 'Charlie Hebdo' - Listverse

1. Eight days before de Gaulle passed away, a devastating fire had swept through a nightclub in Saint-Laurent-du-Pont. The death toll was 142 teenagers, and many of the survivors had severe burns covering 90 percent of their bodies. It was a hideous, immeasurable tragedy that would have defined the year in news had France’s elder statesman not passed away soon after. With his passing, the fire vanished from headlines . . . until Hara-Kiri hit the newsstands. In English, their cover read: “Tragic Ball At Colombey: 1 Dead” (original shown above).It was like setting a firecracker off underneath the French establishment. A furious government banned Hara-Kiri from sale, claiming that the headline was tasteless and offensive. It wasn’t the first time the magazine had angered those in power, and it certainly wouldn’t be the last.

When Hara-Kiri closed its doors for the last time, many thought they’d seen the end of the offensive weekly. No such luck. Instead of disbanding, the journalists and cartoonists took advantage of a loophole in French law and simply renamed the magazine. Charlie Hebdo (“Charlie Weekly”) had more or less the exact same staff as Hara-Kiri, the same layout, and the same mission—only with the added dig of a name that now referenced their biggest controversy.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

My point is that the French can close down nasty outfits if they want to..... if it suits them.... freedom of speech don't seem to count, sometimes....... in France.

Sure, there are always limits to free speech and those are politically decided. But my point stands about accepting a country's values if you want to live there. The same would apply to us if we went to live in a Muslim country of course.

 

[oldbadger]

Sure, there are always limits to free speech and those are politically decided. But my point stands about accepting a country's values if you want to live there. The same would apply to us if we went to live in a Muslim country of course.

Oh..... I'm not knocking any of that.
If you live in a country you have to accept their, laws, rules values etc....
I just thought you might be interested in that bit of history.
But it seems that we can agree that 'free-expression' and 'free-speech' in France is politically decided.....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

But it seems that we can agree that 'free-expression' and 'free-speech' in France is politically decided.....

Everywhere I think. Obviously it would be much different in a totalitarian state. I'm reminded of George Orwells 1984.

 

[oldbadger]

Everywhere I think. Obviously it would be much different in a totalitarian state. I'm reminded of George Orwells 1984.

I'm reminded of 1984 as it is.... in France!
Make a joke about De Gaulle getting attention after his death and you are closed down!
Draw disgusting images of a religious prophet and it's Freedom....

The French Government closed this same team down for one satirical poster about De Gaulle. I reckon that if I asked permission to post that same 'poster' on RF, RF would probably let me do it.... it is almost innocuous. But it closed 'em down!

So whilst I agree with Skeptic about those Fatwahs, I see the thought processes of French Govs.

I see it now.......... 'If the mob says it's free-speech, then it's free-speech, if the mob says it's a disgraceful shame, then it's a disgraceful shame.'

I've found what I was looking for.

 

[ShivaFan]

A Hamburg daily newspaper tabloid in Germany that reprinted satirical cartoons from French newspaper Charlie Hebdo was hit by arsonists on the weekend, two suspects have been arrested for throwing the incendiary device through the window.

The newspaper was the Hamburger Morgenpost, which published the Charlie Hebdo cartoons the day after the attack against the newspaper in Paris to express its solidarity. There were other newspapers in Germany as well which published the cartoons.

So far, there have been no reports regarding the names, faces, background of the suspects.

If this turns out to be Islamic types or sympathizers, this is going to result in huge gatherings and protests against Islamic jihadees in Germany, the numbers at such gatherings will grow.

And the idiocy of such Islamic radicals, soon everyone will be saying these lunatics have declared war on cartoons in the name of their creed. And then it will be said, In one way, you can say they have also declared war on children. There will be plenty of pictures of Islamists related to their rape, their use of slavery, and torture and burning of children to support this claim of a war on just lettung kids be kids.

 

[SkepticThinker]

.... Wow!
Good points..... sledge hammer points....

Thank you.

 

[DrTCH]

From all reports....France has become the most reactionary country in Europe....it appears that all Jews will have to leave soon.

THIS is one of my fears. While I am concerned about the recent killings, the fact is that there was a terrifically massive protest in Paris a few days ago, which appeared to respresent not just support for the murdered journalists (with which I would be in sympathy), but a distinctly racist, anti-Muslim, mood, which I find very worrisome.

I will add that while I am a strong supporter of free speech, the history of this organization particularly attacking revered religious figures like Mohammed, is something else I find worrisome and evey reprehensible.