Tesla Traps & Kills 4 People

[Twilight Hue]

My Toyota Sienna has electric windows,
but mechanical door handles.

You sound very socialist...blaming capitalism.
People want electronics & will pay for it.
Manufacturers respond.

Maybe attend a Classic Car Show. Many people like the old days with vehicles built for practicality and not gadgetry.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Detecting a deer, & avoiding it is difficult.
No matter where they are, or which way
they're moving, they'll do something different.
I detected one earlier this year. But not in time.
So I hit it. $15,000 damage.
I wish there were an option for cars to have
guards to limit the damage from hitting deer.
Alas, lack of demand, & meeting CAFE standards
means it doesn't happen.

Not sure if it was a Tesla, but one car on auto plowed into someone wheeling her bicycle across the road. Apparently not a Tesla, and some time back:

Remember the Uber self-driving car that killed a woman crossing the street? The AI had no clue about jaywalkers

The last thing we need right now is a rise in ignorant cyber-Judge Dredds

www.theregister.com

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I'd never design a vehicle with only electronic locks.
Trapped cuz of a power failure? Not me.

Terrified friends burn to death trapped in Tesla as doors won't open after crash

The only survivor of the October 24 fire was a woman in her 20s who was able to get to safety after a quick thinking passer-by smashed a window of the burning Model Y car to free her

www.mirror.co.uk

Excerpted....
Four friends died in a horrific car fire after they were
unable to escape from a burning Tesla when a crash
disabled its electronic doors.

We can agree on this. I don't trust electric vehicles. It seems wrong that there is no mechanical lever to operate to open the door. My electronic trunk switch has a mechanical lever inside incase of no power.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

From now on it should be a minimum requirement. If there is no manual override.

Hopefully locks that can be manually unlocked, like a normal car, will become mandatory. This design should never have happened and it's such a major safety failure I hope Tesla finally suffers for all the irresponsible and dangerous crap they have exposes us all to (even those without those crap cars who are forced to partake in their auto drive being tested on public roads, not by safety drivers but by anyone with enough cash to unlock the feature).

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Device for emergency escape if not pinned in:

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Hopefully locks that can be manually unlocked, like a normal car, will become mandatory. This design should never have happened and it's such a major safety failure I hope Tesla finally suffers for all the irresponsible and dangerous crap they have exposes us all to (even those without those crap cars who are forced to partake in their auto drive being tested on public roads, not by safety drivers but by anyone with enough cash to unlock the feature).

Many cars don't have window rollers now, possibly most things made since the mid 2010's, I'd guess

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I'd never design a vehicle with only electronic locks.
Trapped cuz of a power failure? Not me.

Terrified friends burn to death trapped in Tesla as doors won't open after crash

The only survivor of the October 24 fire was a woman in her 20s who was able to get to safety after a quick thinking passer-by smashed a window of the burning Model Y car to free her

www.mirror.co.uk

Excerpted....
Four friends died in a horrific car fire after they were
unable to escape from a burning Tesla when a crash
disabled its electronic doors.

This is such a horrific thing to imagine visualizing, that I think maybe my ability to concentrate on anything for the rest of the night is pretty well broke now. I don't even need to look at those articles, I can just see how pathetically horrible it would be in my imagination. I don't know, I got to get up and take a walk

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe attend a Classic Car Show. Many people like the old days with vehicles built for practicality and not gadgetry.

Classic & antique car show people are a small
group. They don't represent the general market.
BTW, I store cars for such people. They drive
modern cars (with all the bells & whistles) for
every day transportation.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Yeah and absolutely no manufacturer that I know of aside from perhaps maybe a few obscure ones where they had the good old fashioned crank down windows like they had in the 60s and 70s.

One can also imagine an accident where that might no longer work either. That would be a real drag

 

[Revoltingest]

Not sure if it was a Tesla, but one car on auto plowed into someone wheeling her bicycle across the road. Apparently not a Tesla, and some time back:

Remember the Uber self-driving car that killed a woman crossing the street? The AI had no clue about jaywalkers

The last thing we need right now is a rise in ignorant cyber-Judge Dredds

www.theregister.com

Self driving cars are a work in progress.
I don't like the Tesla approach, which uses
only cameras...no radar.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Self driving cars are a work in progress.

This would only work with a grid pattern of perfectly maintained roads, with perfect weather all the time. It's an infrastructure problem. And that would take a ton of money to overhaul.

 

[Revoltingest]

We can agree on this. I don't trust electric vehicles. It seems wrong that there is no mechanical lever to operate to open the door. My electronic trunk switch has a mechanical lever inside incase of no power.

So when some goombahs put you
in your trunk, you can escape.
Is this an Italian car?

 

[Revoltingest]

This would only work with a grid pattern of perfectly maintained roads, with perfect weather all the time. It's an infrastructure problem. And that would take a ton of money to overhaul.

It's already advancing beyond that.
I wouldn't be surprised if they already have
a better safety record than human drivers.
Of course, that's an unacceptably low bar.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is such a horrific thing to imagine visualizing, that I think maybe my ability to concentrate on anything for the rest of the night is pretty well broke now. I don't even need to look at those articles, I can just see how pathetically horrible it would be in my imagination. I don't know, I got to get up and take a walk

I'm somewhat claustrophobic.
I don't dwell on their deaths.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

It's already advancing beyond that.
I wouldn't be surprised if they already have
a better safety record than human drivers.
Of course, that's an unacceptably low bar.

Yeah, I don't know if I believe that really. Like where? Does the AI driver know how to navigate black ice and flurries in january, I just don't know if I believe it is happening. I've been thinking about it for a while, and I think that maybe most accidents have to do with poor infrastructure, causing too much split-second confusion. And there are a couple places around town here, where a massive pine tree, or massive sign, creates a blind corner.

No one is saying anything about that, and if an accident happened in those spots, it would be a needless tragedy. And then someone would be facing legal action, even though it seems obvious that their view was blocked.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Many cars don't have window rollers now, possibly most things made since the mid 2010's, I'd guess

I'm taking about locks, not windows.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, I don't know if I believe that really. Like where? Does the AI driver know how to navigate black ice and flurries in january, I just don't know if I believe it is happening. I've been thinking about it for a while, and I think that maybe most accidents have to do with poor infrastructure, causing too much split-second confusion. And there are a couple places around town here, where a massive pine tree, or massive sign, creates a blind corner.

No one is saying anything about that, and if an accident happened in those spots, it would be a needless tragedy. And then someone would be facing legal action, even though it seems obvious that their view was blocked.

While there are still shortcomings for self driving
cars, those must be balanced against humans.
Those things drive drunk, tired, distracted, &
angry.
I once had a driver try to kill me. He admitted
this to the cops after running me down. I don't
think AI based systems would be homicidal.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I've been thinking about it for a while, and I think that maybe most accidents have to do with poor infrastructure,

And also just unique road complexities caused by unique and changing road infrastructure from place to place, matched against high traffic patterns.. It hardly seems to conform to a very solid form from town to town, across the country. bike lanes, one ways, short onramps.. These are complex things to construct, and how do we know that it is being done to ensure maximum safety, over time? Each town is so novel in the way they create their roads. This must contribute to the accident rate

 

[amorphous_constellation]

While there are still shortcomings for self driving
cars, those must be balanced against humans.
Those things drive drunk, tired, distracted, &
angry.
I once had a driver try to kill me. He admitted
this to the cops after running me down. I don't
think AI based systems would be homicidal.

Some say that road rage might be increasing, that's not good.

And another thing about infrastructure: for example there a couple spots here with a divided highway that you have to cross, without lights. It was made to be like that decades ago, when the traffic rate was surely far lower. Now the traffic there has increased, and gotten faster. So stuff like that exists everywhere as well.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some say that road rage might be increasing, that's not good.

But self driving cars remain chill.
Even in traffic jams.

And another thing about infrastructure: for example there a couple spots here with a divided highway that you have to cross, without lights. It was made to be like that decades ago, when the traffic rate was surely far lower. Now the traffic there has increased, and gotten faster. So stuff like that exists everywhere as well.

The proof is in the pudding.
As more are on the road, there'll
be statistics about safety.