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Texas Board Of Education OKs Teaching Bible

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Excerpted....
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas’ education board voted Friday to allow Bible-infused teachings in elementary schools under optional new curriculum that could test boundaries between religion and public classrooms in the U.S.

The material adopted by the Texas State Board of Education, which is controlled by elected Republicans, passed in a 8-7 final vote over criticism that the lessons would proselytize to young learners and alienate students of faiths other than Christianity. Supporters argued the Bible is a core feature of American history and that teaching it will enrich lessons.

The vote allows schools in Texas, which has more than 5 million public school students, to begin using the material in kindergarten through fifth grade classrooms as early as next year.

Republican lawmakers celebrated the vote, including Texas’ powerful lieutenant governor, who has pledged to pass legislation next year that would follow Louisiana in trying to require schools to display the Ten Commandments in classrooms.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
No stopping theocracy now. Hope parents and grandparents of non-Christian households are ready for their children to be indoctrinated. Hope they're ready to explain why they're not Christian in a Christian nation.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No stopping theocracy now. Hope parents and grandparents of non-Christian households are ready for their children to be indoctrinated. Hope they're ready to explain why they're not Christian in a Christian nation.
With Trump in office, I expect more such
actions. And for his SCOTUS to cooperate.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Excerpted....
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas’ education board voted Friday to allow Bible-infused teachings in elementary schools under optional new curriculum that could test boundaries between religion and public classrooms in the U.S.

The material adopted by the Texas State Board of Education, which is controlled by elected Republicans, passed in a 8-7 final vote over criticism that the lessons would proselytize to young learners and alienate students of faiths other than Christianity. Supporters argued the Bible is a core feature of American history and that teaching it will enrich lessons.

The vote allows schools in Texas, which has more than 5 million public school students, to begin using the material in kindergarten through fifth grade classrooms as early as next year.

Republican lawmakers celebrated the vote, including Texas’ powerful lieutenant governor, who has pledged to pass legislation next year that would follow Louisiana in trying to require schools to display the Ten Commandments in classrooms.
Texas (and many other States) don't need more religious education, they need more history and civics. That might help the religious to understand the First Amendment - and why it has been held up in courts. It would help the economy by preventing costly legal disputes that lead nowhere.
One of the best examples where ignorance and zealotry can lead is Kitzmiller vs. Dover, which cost a school district $1,000,000.
Voters should be informed what they will have to pay for when their representatives want to go against the Constitution.
 

Sir Joseph

Member
For 300 years the primary teaching book in classrooms was the Bible, with the New England Primer, McGuffy Reader, and Blue Back Speller textbooks later added - all of which taught extensively from the Bible. American children were raised in school to fear God, respect the Bible, live with virtue, and believe in a final day of judgement. In other words, they were indoctrinated with Christian beliefs that encouraged them to be morally civil, productive, responsible, loving members of society - a necessity to counter the unprecedented freedoms enabled by the new republic. Even the minority of atheists that didn't agree with the faith's doctrines could see the benefit that such upbringing acomplished for maintaning a civil society.

When the liberal Supreme Court ruled in 1963 to prohibit organized Bible reading in the public schools, they not only offended God, but also betrayed the nation's founding fathers that upheld and encouraged Christianity throughout society. Since then, our schools have been raising generations of children that believe they're unimportant evolutionary accidents with no meaning or purpose in life, no individual responsiblity to others, liable for no objective moral standards, and subject to no future day of judgement. I wonder if there's a connection between the unprecedented teen suicide rate and school shootings over the past few decades versus my generation not too long ago when the Bible wasn't outlawed.

People are free to reject God of course, but I'll maintain that America became the greatest nation in history, not by being secular, but by being Christian and garnering God's Providential blessings. I think putting the Bible back into the public schools will be highly curtailed unless the 1963 ruling is overturned. But even with limited exposure, its use is far more likely to benefit the character of children than it's present deficiency. In fact, we have school time / off campus Bible classes occuring right now across the country, and real studies show that the kids love it and reveal positive results - specifically, better school attendance and fewer behavioral problems.
 

Wirey

Fartist
People are free to reject God of course, but I'll maintain that America became the greatest nation in history, not by being secular, but by being Christian and garnering God's Providential blessings.
The Founding Fathers would have disagreed with you in a very large way. And if you genuinely believe religion makes people behave better, I suggest you go read up on the Crusades.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
I wonder if they will teach the parts of the Bible where Lot's daughters get him drunk then have sex with him?

Or the part where Onan ejaculates on the ground?

Or the Psalm that says “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”?

Or the bits where God commands Israel to slaughter every living thing in the nations Israel is conquering?

Or the part where Tamar disguises herself as a prostitute and has sex with her father in law?
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
I wonder also if those of other religions will be happy that their children will be indoctrinated into a different religion?

There are about 400,000 Muslims in Texas,
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
People are free to reject God of course, but I'll maintain that America became the greatest nation in history, not by being secular, but by being Christian and garnering God's Providential blessings. I think putting the Bible back into the public schools will be highly curtailed unless the 1963 ruling is overturned. But even with limited exposure, its use is far more likely to benefit the character of children than it's present deficiency. In fact, we have school time / off campus Bible classes occuring right now across the country, and real studies show that the kids love it and reveal positive results - specifically, better school attendance and fewer behavioral problems.
Great in what sense, and when?

Was America great because it didn't allow women to vote until 1920?

Was it great because it broke every treaty (the highest law of the land according to the Constitution) with Native Americans?

Was it great when blacks were being lynched right up until 1981?

Was it great during the era of the Founding Fathers when only white male landowners could vote?

Was it great in the 1950's when minorities were routinely discriminated against in public and at work?

Was it great when women were treated like chattel?
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
For 300 years the primary teaching book in classrooms was the Bible, with the New England Primer, McGuffy Reader, and Blue Back Speller textbooks later added - all of which taught extensively from the Bible. American children were raised in school to fear God, respect the Bible, live with virtue, and believe in a final day of judgement. In other words, they were indoctrinated with Christian beliefs that encouraged them to be morally civil, productive, responsible, loving members of society - a necessity to counter the unprecedented freedoms enabled by the new republic. Even the minority of atheists that didn't agree with the faith's doctrines could see the benefit that such upbringing acomplished for maintaning a civil society.

When the liberal Supreme Court ruled in 1963 to prohibit organized Bible reading in the public schools, they not only offended God, but also betrayed the nation's founding fathers that upheld and encouraged Christianity throughout society. Since then, our schools have been raising generations of children that believe they're unimportant evolutionary accidents with no meaning or purpose in life, no individual responsiblity to others, liable for no objective moral standards, and subject to no future day of judgement. I wonder if there's a connection between the unprecedented teen suicide rate and school shootings over the past few decades versus my generation not too long ago when the Bible wasn't outlawed.

People are free to reject God of course, but I'll maintain that America became the greatest nation in history, not by being secular, but by being Christian and garnering God's Providential blessings. I think putting the Bible back into the public schools will be highly curtailed unless the 1963 ruling is overturned. But even with limited exposure, its use is far more likely to benefit the character of children than it's present deficiency. In fact, we have school time / off campus Bible classes occuring right now across the country, and real studies show that the kids love it and reveal positive results - specifically, better school attendance and fewer behavioral problems.
For 300 years? The US has only been around for almost 250. The common school movement didn't start until the 1830s. Modern public schools didn't start until the mid to late 19th century.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I wonder if there's a connection between the unprecedented teen suicide rate and school shootings over the past few decades versus my generation not too long ago when the Bible wasn't outlawed

Correlation doesn't always indicate cause.

There is, however, a likely a correlation between lowering student grades/performance and the push by conservatives to de-fund public education since the Reagan era.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Excerpted....
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas’ education board voted Friday to allow Bible-infused teachings in elementary schools under optional new curriculum that could test boundaries between religion and public classrooms in the U.S.

The material adopted by the Texas State Board of Education, which is controlled by elected Republicans, passed in a 8-7 final vote over criticism that the lessons would proselytize to young learners and alienate students of faiths other than Christianity. Supporters argued the Bible is a core feature of American history and that teaching it will enrich lessons.

The vote allows schools in Texas, which has more than 5 million public school students, to begin using the material in kindergarten through fifth grade classrooms as early as next year.

Republican lawmakers celebrated the vote, including Texas’ powerful lieutenant governor, who has pledged to pass legislation next year that would follow Louisiana in trying to require schools to display the Ten Commandments in classrooms.
If you read the 1st Amendment; below, all the restriction are on the Federal Government. It was never meant to be interpreted to mean being against the people. The first amendment was about individual rights, superseding, Government authority. State government is different from the Federal Government, since it is closer to the people. All the power the Fed lacks goes to the state.

The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Abortion going back to the states, did not end as one size fits all, which was never Constitutional. The majority will rule in each state; unique outcomes. The DNC has been playing illegal games for decades and Trump is about to end the logistics that allow these games.

The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. It protects freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Currently the Federal Government prohibits the free exercise of religion on Federal Property. The DNC tends to fixate on the establishment t of religion clause, but fails to point out the illegal nature of the Fed currently prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

The DNC created this social convention, where one whiny Liberal (atheist) can over ride the majority of religious people. The DNC will use Federal law fare to enforce it. One transgender Congressman, was used to override the sensitivities of all women, in terms of using women's restrooms in Federal buildings. They tried to ram this through, until someone stood up and would not back down. We are about to see a reversal of all the illegal rules that the DNC created, for its own political advantages.

Trump pulled a strategic trick, on the DNC, for his Attorney General pick. He first nominated Gaetz, who stepped on many toes doing his Congressional job. This led to an organized push against this AG pick, that included swamp Republicans and the use of their witch hunt scandal scam. Gaetz dropped out.

Then Trump nominated his real first pick, which is Pam Bondi. She was a Florida State AG and was also a high paid Trump lawyer who defended Trump during the DNC law fare trials in NYC. On paper she is totally qualified and clean. However, she is tougher than Gaetz, being a legal eagle in a bunny costume. She can disarm and handcuff. This will change the illegal rules of religion back to citizen rights. She also made the comment she will prosecute prosecutors who pervert the law.

Pam-Bondi-Net-Worth.jpg
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Correlation doesn't always indicate cause.

There is, however, a likely a correlation between lowering student grades/performance and the push by conservatives to de-fund public education since the Reagan era.
Thery certainly seem to be doing fine.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If you read the 1st Amendment; below, all the restriction are on the Federal Government.
Become familiar with....
It was never meant to be interpreted to mean being against the people.
Protection against theocracy at the state level
is protection for the people, not against. The
faithful continually try to imposed their beliefs,
prescriptions, & proscriptions upon others.
That must be curbed.
Abortion going back to the states, did not end as one size fits all, which was never Constitutional.
It was/is constitutional because it's within the
purview of SCOTUS to deem it is so, especially
under the 9th Amendment.
Currently the Federal Government prohibits the free exercise of religion on Federal Property.
Why do you believe this?
The DNC tends to fixate on the establishment t of religion clause, but fails to point out the illegal nature of the Fed currently prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
Again, why do you believe this?
Such controversial claims should be supported.
The DNC created this social convention, where one whiny Liberal (atheist....
Tis wise to not whine when insulting
someone else as a whiner.
Then Trump nominated his real first pick, which is Pam Bondi. She was a Florida State AG and was also a high paid Trump lawyer who defended Trump during the DNC law fare trials in NYC. On paper she is totally qualified and clean.
Other than being a crony of Trump, which
poses risks when the President is taking
steps to create an imperial presidency.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Thery certainly seem to be doing fine.
Ranking far below many other countries
doesn't sound "fine" to me. And it's
already getting worse...even before schools
started teaching the Bible again..
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Ranking far below many other countries
doesn't sound "fine" to me. And it's
already getting worse...even before schools
started teaching the Bible again..
Maybe they need to divert some of the construction costs to actually teaching our kids, not sure what needs to be done but oh well. I know a lot of retired teachers who were very glad to get out of the rat race.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Maybe they need to divert some of the construction costs to actually teaching our kids, not sure what needs to be done but oh well. I know a lot of retired teachers who were very glad to get out of the rat race.
You find construction costs of
schools excessive? Why?
Nearly everyone who retires is
glad to leave the rat race.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Correlation doesn't always indicate cause.

There is, however, a likely a correlation between lowering student grades/performance and the push by conservatives to de-fund public education since the Reagan era.
Crucial point here!

It strikes me our "leaders" are almost all corrupt and short-sighted. And they all act as though our society and the planet are infinitely-****-withable. Seemingly for the sake of some short term profits, our "leaders" are steering us towards a race to the bottom :(
 
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