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Texas Republicans Call For Execution of Women Who Receive Abortions, IVF In Horrifying Video

F1fan

Veteran Member
:rolleyes:
Even that word "all" makes the claim fall apart.
Come on, can't you see that Bernie Sanders is just like Trump, except for Bernie's support of the average citizen's well-being, and fair taxation, and universal healthcare, and worker safety, and voting rights, and woman's reproductive rights, and more affordable education, and holding corporations accountable for pollution, etc.?

The documented track record of socialism is what gives me the willies.
Of course the track record you think of is the Soviets, and then apply that to Democratic Socialists like Bernie Sanders and AOC. The only similarity is a word, and you ignore the differences. And you repeat it as if the savvy members of RF are fooled by your rhetoric. It's the political eqivalent of creationism.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Come on, can't you see that Bernie Sanders is just like Trump, except for Bernie's support of the average citizen's well-being, and fair taxation, and universal healthcare, and worker safety, and voting rights, and woman's reproductive rights, and more affordable education, and holding corporations accountable for pollution, etc.?
And their hair. Their hair is also slightly different if you look closely.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
We all know this isn't going to pass.

Relax people.
No, because we see republican extremists go way beyond the line of decency and sanity and hope to compromise on something awful. I blame the moral devolution of conservatives who then elect religious extremists. Their election is seen as permission to go way beyond the norms of social tolerance and freedom. Look at how Alabam elected a democrat who ran on reproductive freedom. The far right seems to have pushed their luck, and keep pushing it. All these far right Christian extremists hope that Trump can win the electoral college (not the majority of voters) and he will use whatever authority he has to allow Christian extremism to flourish. It's all about getting Trump back in power, and then they can do whatever they want. Christian extremists already have the Supreme Court, so all issues of reproductive care will end up there. We can then predict that Alito and Thomas will retire and Trump will select several more Christian extremists for the court. If republicans get the senate then that will be a 6 member majority that will rule against women's reproductive rights until abortion is banned for at least 3 decades.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Of course the track record you think of is the Soviets, and then apply that to Democratic Socialists like Bernie Sanders and AOC. The only similarity is a word, and you ignore the differences. And you repeat it as if the savvy members of RF are fooled by your rhetoric. It's the political eqivalent of crecreationism.
You can't be that daft on what you precisely see here.

I also think of China, Venezuela, and Greece when it comes to socialist policymaking.

You know full well how those countries had turned out.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
They should give'm the willies.
Socialists are all authoritarians.
Many of them just don't know it.
(They're ignorant of history.)
The problem is, too many on the right suppose that everybody leaning left is a socialist. Not so! Many of us on the left favour individual freedoms, capitalism, profit motive, competition and so on, but not without some necessary restraints. It is, for example, possible to have rules that restrict individuals (you're not allowed to murder, or take somebody's stuff), without herding them. It is possible to have some rules in business and commerce (no monopolies, don't destroy the environment) without the state taking over ownership.

And here's the thing -- I don't think that "socialists" are even a majority of those on the left. In fact, far from it.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The problem is, too many on the right suppose that everybody leaning left is a socialist. Not so! Many of us on the left favour individual freedoms, capitalism, profit motive, competition and so on, but not without some necessary restraints. It is, for example, possible to have rules that restrict individuals (you're not allowed to murder, or take somebody's stuff), without herding them. It is possible to have some rules in business and commerce (no monopolies, don't destroy the environment) without the state taking over ownership.

And here's the thing -- I don't think that "socialists" are even a majority of those on the left. In fact, far from it.
The Democrats are not even voicing opposition on having open socialists in their party.

The notion that the majority of Democrats are not socialist or socialist sympathizers is pure bullocks as evidenced by not a single one making any objections or voicing concerns over it.

Unless of course you want to point out any who are.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
You can't be that daft on what you precisely see here.
I'm not. You're the one who has vilified anyone who falls into the broad category of socialist.

Here's news for you, even republicans are socialist to some degree, as they fund police, public schools, public works, etc. Your broad brush has to condemn the whole system.
I also think of China, Venezuela, and Greece when it comes to socialist policymaking.
Sure, and none of that has anything to do with those Democratic Socialists who want to expand freedom and equality to the average American citizen. You oppose these efforts due to a word, not polcies.
You know full well how those countries had turned out.
They aren't America, so just a deflection on your part.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The Democrats are not even voicing opposition on having open socialists in their party.

The notion that the majority of Democrats are not socialist or socialist sympathizers is pure bullocks as evidenced by not a single one making any objections or voicing concerns over it.

Unless of course you want to point out any who are.
That's what called "big tent" when talking about parties. I know for you the idea of allowing differences of opinion and openness to debate are anathema, but some of us are more comfortable, even when we know there are people who think differently than we do.

And you might consider that that is also why the Republican Party doesn't expel those with strong autocratic tendencies (the antipathy to any notion of personal liberty).
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
The Democrats are not even voicing opposition on having open socialists in their party.
They aren't socialists like in China or Venezuela. Socialists in the USA just want universal healthcare, broader freedoms like being able to be gay or trans without abuse, who don't have to worry about social security benefits being cut because republicans want to cut taxes for the rich, who want cheaper higher education, who want green energy options, etc. You tell me what's wrong with these socialist agrenda items.
The notion that the majority of Democrats are not socialist or socialist sympathizers is pure bullocks as evidenced by not a single one making any objections or voicing concerns over it.
Yeah, even republicans are socialist.
Unless of course you want to point out any who are.
Another vague comment without any details. Notice how you don't make any specific points, just bend meanings around the word socialist as if it is toxic. What is toxic about every citizen getting healthcare?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If republicans get the senate then that will be a 6 member majority that will rule against women's reproductive rights until abortion is banned for at least 3 decades.
Women's rights, the environment, LGBT rights, contraception, freedom from religion, voting rights, worker's rights and labor laws, education, reading, these amd so much more are at risk and threatened by Republicans.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
You can't be that daft on what you precisely see here.

I also think of China, Venezuela, and Greece when it comes to socialist policymaking.

You know full well how those countries had turned out.

There are democracies and capitalistic countries that have gone bad so are you against those forms as well?

There are many forms of socialism, and what we see in today's Nordic countries is vastly different than what we saw with the Chinese and the Soviets.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Wow! We need to be more aware of how these maniacs are infiltrating our politics at every level of government and slap them down hard at the polls.

Not only does the group want to execute anyone who has an abortion or provides one, they want to outlaw IVF and contraception. Person who engage would be tried for murder.

Texas still has the death penalty for murder.

This is not nothing new. What is new is that the US population is currently going hard line against this policy. The supreme court decision or the Maga republicans pushing the argument has built up strong resistance to any politician running on these policies. The upcoming election is not going to bode well from Republicans seeking support from these extreme abortion groups.
 
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