The 10 borrowed commandments

[greatcalgarian]

Moses and the Israelites were Hebrews, not Egyptians.

Moses was from the tribe of Levi (Exodus 2:1,10), traced back to Shem, son of Noah.

The Egyptians are from Mizraim (Genesis 10:6), son of Ham, son of Noah.

The Chinese are from the Sinites (Genesis 10:17), traced back to Ham.

The 10 Commands were written by God Himself (Exodus 31:18).

Thanks for teaching the Chinese about their ancestor.:biglaugh:
I supposed Ham is from Africa?
http://geocities.com/greatcalgarian/chinesepage.htm
http://condensedchina.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#Prehistoric_times

<H2>Prehistoric times

China was inhabited more than a million years ago by Homo erectus. The excavations at Yuanmou and later Lantian show early habitation; however, any connection between these people and modern Chinese is speculative. The Homo sapiens or modern human might have reached China about 65,000 years ago from Africa. Early evidence for proto-Chinese rice paddy agriculture is carbon-dated to about 6000 BC, and associated with the Peiligang culture of Xinzheng county, Henan. With agriculture came increased population, the ability to store and redistribute crops, and to support specialist craftsmen and administrators: in short, civilization as we know it. In late Neolithic times, the Huang He valley began to establish itself as a cultural center, where the first villages were founded; the most archaeologically significant of those was found at Banpo, Xi'an.

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[greatcalgarian]

There are many other 10 Commandments:
http://ca.geocities.com/greatcalgarian/10commandments.htm

For example:


[size=+2]THE[/size]
[size=+2]TEN COMMANDMENTS[/size]
(OF THE ETHICAL ATHEIST)NOTE: Freethought and tolerance obviously prohibit these from being "commandments"! Just consider them "suggestions".[font=Times New Roman,Times]1. Thou SHALT NOT believe all thee art told.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]2. Thou SHALT constantly seeketh knowledge and truth.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]3. Thou SHALT educate thy fellow man in the Laws of Science.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]4. Thou SHALT NOT forget the atrocities committed in the name of god.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]5. Thou SHALT leaveth valuable contributions for future generations.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]6. Thou SHALT liveth in peace with thy fellow man.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]7. Thou SHALT liveth this one life thy have to its fullest.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]8. Thou SHALT follow a Personal Code of Ethics.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]9. Thou SHALT maintain a strict separation between Church and State.[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times]10. Thou SHALT support ye who follow these commandments.[/font]

 

[michel]

Thanks for teaching the Chinese about their ancestor.:biglaugh:
I supposed Ham is from Africa?

I didn't get that at all. Egypt is one of the largest African nations, and the Bible calls Egypt the land of Ham --- (Psalm 105:23, 27; Psalm 106:22).

Are you at a nitrous oxide party or something?

 

[Halcyon]

As I said before, the Egyptians come from Mizraim --- Genesis 10.

The Hebrews come from Abraham --- Genesis 12.

Thus the Egyptians were here before the Hebrews were.

But when they went polytheistic, God in His grace sent Joseph down to Egypt as a witness --- followed by his whole family.

When that didn't work, God defeated the 9 primary [false] Egyptian deities (Exodus 12:12).

And when that didn't work --- He slew all the firstborn of Egypt --- including the Hebrews --- who refused to put the blood of a lamb on their doorposts.

I think by then I would have gotten the picture and gone monotheistic too.

Wouldn't you have?

Firstly, there's no reference to a Mizraim in the historical records of the Egyptions themselves, they called their land Kemet meaning 'black land', what makes you think the Hebrews would have known a history of the Egypts that the Egyptions themselves didn't know? Secondly, in ancient egypt there were two cultures one in upper egypt, one in lower egypt until they were united after a civil war - which of these was this mizraim supposed to be?

The egyptions didn't "go polythesistic", they were always polytheistic apart form the 5 year monotheistic period mentioned in my earlier post.

There weren't 9 primary deities in ancient egypt, there were far more, here i'll list the commonly worshipped deities for you to count; Ra, Horus, Ptah, Hathor/Sekhmet, Isis, Osiris, Bast, Thoth, Anubis, Nebet-het, Nut, Sobek, Seth, Neith- that's 14 from the top of my head, there are more. See what i mean about not favouring the bible over historical evidence?

I think by then I would have gotten the picture and gone monotheistic too.

Do you honestly believe the egyptions went monotheistic after the plagues suggested in the bible? No no my friend, they were only montheistic for 5 years because of the will of a single pharoah, nothing to do with Moses. After Akhenten's death they reverted to polytheism, they rejected monotheism!

I guess some people just don't learn.

They that don't know the past are bound to repeat it!

You can't learn from the past if you only use one source crammed with mythological stories and interpretation, no matter how entertaining they are.

 

[ChrisP]

I didn't get that at all. Egypt is one of the largest African nations, and the Bible calls Egypt the land of Ham --- (Psalm 105:23, 27; Psalm 106:22).

Are you at a nitrous oxide party or something?

Ham was one of Noah's Sons, from whom we are all descended, due to flood wiping out the rest of human populations at that time

 

[michel]

Firstly, there's no reference to a Mizraim in the historical records of the Egyptions themselves, they called their land Kemet meaning 'black land', what makes you think the Hebrews would have known a history of the Egypts that the Egyptions themselves didn't know? Secondly, in ancient egypt there were two cultures one in upper egypt, one in lower egypt until they were united after a civil war - which of these was this mizraim supposed to be?

Mi&#7779;r, the Arabic and official name for modern Egypt, is of Semitic origin directly cognate with the Hebrew &#1502;&#1460;&#1510;&#1456;&#1512;&#1463;&#1497;&#1460;&#1501; Mi&#7827;ráyim meaning "the two straits", and possibly means "a country" or "a state." The ancient name for the country, kemet, or "black land," is derived from the fertile black soils deposited by the Nile floods, distinct from the 'red land' (deshret) of the desert. This name became keme in a later stage of Coptic. The English name "Egypt" came via the Latin word Aegyptus derived from the ancient Greek word &#913;&#943;&#947;&#965;&#960;&#964;&#959;&#962; Aiguptos (see also List of traditional Greek place names), which in turn is derived from the ancient Egyptian phrase &#7717;wt-k3-pt&#7717; ("Hwt ka Ptah") meaning "home of the Ka (part of the soul) of Ptah," the name of a temple of the god Ptah at Memphis. For details see the article Copt.

Source: Wikipedia --- Entry: Egypt

 

[greatcalgarian]

Ham was one of Noah's Sons, from whom we are all descended, due to flood wiping out the rest of human populations at that time

Thanks, Cricket, Frubal to you

 

[greatcalgarian]

I didn't get that at all. Egypt is one of the largest African nations, and the Bible calls Egypt the land of Ham --- (Psalm 105:23, 27; Psalm 106:22).

Are you at a nitrous oxide party or something?

According to generally accepted Chinese origin, the anscestor came from Africa. Since you claimed the bible said Chinese are from Ham (Yam, Yam, I love ham), so Ham must be from Africa.

No party, sorry, just back from work.

 

[michel]

According to generally accepted Chinese origin, the anscestor came from Africa. Since you claimed the bible said Chinese are from Ham (Yam, Yam, I love ham), so Ham must be from Africa.

Ham is not from Africa --- Africa is from Ham.

 

[michel]

Ham was one of Noah's Sons, from whom we are all descended, due to flood wiping out the rest of human populations at that time

We who?

I'm from Japeth --- the Jews are from Shem.

Some of you Jews here --- feel free to chime in, anytime.

 

[nutshell]

We who?

I'm from Japeth --- the Jews are from Shem.

Some of you Jews here --- feel free to chime in, anytime.

I don't think he was saying we are all descended from Shem. He was saying we are all descended from Noah whose oldest son was Japheth.

 

[Fade]

The best Biblical explaination I've heard for the similarity of religious views is this:

God imparted the truths of His word and message to Adam in the garden. This can be evidenced by Adam's two sons bringing offerings to God. There are other evidences of this. For example find all of the the Biblical truths that were offered in the book of Job.

These truths were passed down through the generations.

At the Tower of Babel, god was miffed that man had not obeyed one of His first commandments: "Be fruitful and multiply and replinish the earth." Man was planning on doing just the opposite. By building the tower he was trying to keep man unified.

God confounded the languages and this caused man to regroup and spread out across the earth. Man also took with him the message that was given in the garden. The message changed gradually but retained much commonality.

This concept was related to me by a missionary from China who, at that time, had found over three hundred references to the Christian message hidden within the characters of the Chinese language.

All I can say is thank God they don't teach this stuff in Schools...at least not yet

 

[ChrisP]

We who?

I'm from Japeth --- the Jews are from Shem.

Some of you Jews here --- feel free to chime in, anytime.

Sorry my intention there was to say we are all descended from Noah and his children

 

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Sorry my intention there was to say we are all descended from Noah and his children

Does that mean Noah was black?

 

[greatcalgarian]

Does that mean Noah was black?

Who knows? There were 8 human on the Ark. May be one color each, black, white, yellow, brown etc