The 70 virgins in Paradise....

[YmirGF]

Why need subservient beings like ghilmans (the boy servants of heaven)?

Perhaps there are no goats?

 

[Draupadi]

The concept of houris came from Zoroastrianism.

In Zoroastrianism there were two examples of feminine spirits, paris and daenas. Paris were spirits who weren't allowed into paradise until they repented. They were very beautiful but morally ambiguous. Daenas were angels who were supposed to be symbolic for the internal conscience of the deceased. They guided the soul in the afterlife to paradise.

The combination of these two spiritual concepts gave rise to the houri.

How seeing that their purposes are not the same?

 

[Knight of Albion]

Can someone please explain the whole 70 virgins, and how they relate to the Paradise?

Does it relate to someone who was a martyr or is it a mistake in interpretation?

Can you also provide sources from Qur'an and Hadiths, please? Quotes from the scripture or any other literature would be appreciated. But please provide clear and concise explanations to the quotes you provide.

This notion may well 'inspire' some men with empty lives to martyr themselves, but in that case their motives would be totally debauched and impure, and therefore - quite apart from the harm inflicted on innocent people - their action would be meaningless.

In any case, in the spirit world we will have a spirit body, not a physical one, so 70 virgins, even if they were there, wouldn't be a lot of good to you!

No virgins will be waiting for the men of violence on the Other Side, only the reality of the consequences of their actions ...

 

[gnostic]

Well the houris will remain ever virgin. Once after making love they will become virgins again. But they have other endearing qualities. Extreme beauty, exceptional loyalty to husbands, good nature, etc.

Yes women are getting the short end of the stick. But I am hoping that my future husband doesn't take any *fingers crossed*.

I mean no respect to Muslim women, but the idea of your god giving 72 virgins to male martyrs is nothing more than adolescent fantasy of Arabic adult males that only have sex on their mind. And it would seem your god is acting more like a pimp or slave master. It is more reason why I think Islam is a man-made religion.

It is utterly ridiculous. It also make Muslim men look nothing more than sex-maniacs. It also seemed ridiculous that Muslims often ranted against prostitution or treating women as sex objects, but how the 72 virgins in Paradise any different. They are still treating feminine sex as sex objects or sex toys.

 

[Draupadi]

I myself don't like it. But I have to accept what my faith says. Some Muslims especially the Quranists say that the women will get male houris. The Quranist version of the Quran says that, but I have doubts about its authenticity.

 

[Shia Islam]

Can someone please explain the whole 70 virgins, and how they relate to the Paradise?

Does it relate to someone who was a martyr or is it a mistake in interpretation?

Can you also provide sources from Qur'an and Hadiths, please? Quotes from the scripture or any other literature would be appreciated. But please provide clear and concise explanations to the quotes you provide.

As a Shia Muslim, I would say the following:

1. The hereafter is another dimension, we can't explain its details by means of this world.

It is mentioned in the Islamic sources that an apple in the hereafter - for example- has nothing in common with apples of this world, except for its name.

It is also mentioned that no one has seen nor imagined what is in paradise.

2. Muslim scholars have deeply discussed the difference between genders, and a great Ayatollah has mentioned that at the level of the spirit (soul) there is no difference between man and woman...This opens the question about how we think of the hereafter.

3. according to Shia Islam, Islam was hijacked after the death of the prophet by brutal tyrants, who have brought an interpretation of Islam that serve their interests. They manipulated the masses to be blind soldiers for their tyranny.

4. Sunni Hadith collection were written in the second Islamic century... at the begging their rulers prohibited them from writing the sayings of the prophet!

5. some circles in the west present Islam-with its great knowledge- as a simple religion....it is not!

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to Badran
you say <There is no evidence for this claim, and it most probably is indeed just made up.

There is nothing in the Quran that supports this. >
but supports this is frome qouran book
the virgins gift to muslim in last
in perdsa
and there is child and win
and hony
i think my friend not know his qouran book
the hadith is just explan the qouran

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

there is book write in usa
the name to book is mohammad and christ
the man write book is sman al qerawane
it is good book to understand the idea of virgins in qouran and islam

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

if you go to perdesa anyou good muslem and tojahed in name of islame your gift from god is many virgins
and rever from win
and best child
this verse in qouran
but i am not remember the name of sura
any one read qouran able to see this famous verse in qoran

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to gnostic
It sounds more like a brothel in which male Muslims can freely defile 72 virgins. Once defiled, they are no longer pure, no longer houris. It also make their sounds like a pimp.
sorry
i smal in your idea <like a pimp.>
and the job god is just mad virgin to muslim in perde
sorry this result idea if you read the this verse in qouran

 

[Estro Felino]

Nothing weird at all.
as long as women can get 70 scrumptious handsome men too....

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

According to classical Arabic usage in the time when the Qur'an was recited by Muhammad Hur'in is made of two words Hur as well as In. The word 'Hur' is the plural of both Ahwar (Masculine) and Hawra (Feminine) which literally translates as "white-eyed", or persons distinguished by Hawar, signifying "intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lustrous black of the pupils." (ref: Qamus ), hence 'the purity' (ref: Tafsir al'Tabari, and Tafsir al-Razi in 3:52). And as for the phrase, "In it is the plural of both 'Ayan' (Masculine) and 'Ainao' (Feminine)", it was also used to refer to the beautiful eyes of the wild-cow whose eyes are blond. In general, this word implies 'most beautiful eye' irrespective of the person's gender. Thus, it seems that the most appropriate English rendering of the compound word Hur'In might be: "Companions pure, most beautiful of eye." and it is applicable to both male and female.

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no my friend
the meaning of horea is beautiful woman
and she is verigin
and any muslem go to perdesa the god gift him many horeat every day
this is basic in islam and qouran
the problem
if the man get gift from god
but woman go to perdesa are she have many hore
same man
the man same woman
that equal
the god is equal in his order and active
who many hore woman get in islam perdesa

 

[Pegg]

why would God condemn sexual promiscuity on earth, but allow it in his presence in heaven?

I dont think it makes a lot of logical sense to be honest. Men are told to 'lower their gaze' in the quran... but once they get to heaven its different? Is God really going to hand over all those women to one man???

It sounds like a con to me.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

we stay together to answer this important question
the man same woman not difeer between them
any woman muslim read this
i hopping him to use his mind to see
what she do in perdesa
she looking for his husbend with horeat
are you belive in this
my god open your eyes
and mind

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

why would God condemn sexual promiscuity on earth, but allow it in his presence in heaven?

I dont think it makes a lot of logical sense to be honest. Men are told to 'lower their gaze' in the quran... but once they get to heaven its different? Is God really going to hand over all those women to one man???

It sounds like a con to me.

you must answer the writer of qouran book
are job god in heaven is mmade horeat
to muslim man
the qouran sad that and all muslim believe in that

 

[Pegg]

you must answer the writer of qouran book
are job god in heaven is mmade horeat
to muslim man
the qouran sad that and all muslim believe in that

personally, i think its a good way to motivate men for war.

 

[Mycroft]

It is more reason why I think Islam is a man-made religion..

Implying that some religions may not be?

The 72 Virgins things is, fundamentally, no different from any other carrot and stick. It preys on man's carnal desires and fears. And it is this, I think, that indicates to me that religions are man made.

Where Muslims may be promised 72 virgins, christians are promised streets of gold and everlasting life.

Pretty much every religion's concept of hell (whether hell or Jahannam) preys on man's carnal fear of pain and death. Particualrly fire, since fire is the basest and easiest fear to understand. Nobody wants to burn to death.

The promises of reward or death both are very human and very man-made ones.

 

[gnostic]

why would God condemn sexual promiscuity on earth, but allow it in his presence in heaven?

I dont think it makes a lot of logical sense to be honest. Men are told to 'lower their gaze' in the quran... but once they get to heaven its different? Is God really going to hand over all those women to one man???

It sounds like a con to me.

It is a con.

Make a promise of 72 virgins to each male martyr, is the sort of thing an Arab would fantasise, sort of like personal harem or prostitution ring.

That there are some young and naive Muslims out there, it is a promise that make it easy to recruit them for suicide bombers or other terrorist actions.

 

[gnostic]

Implying that some religions may not be?

No, they are all man-made religions. I am not saying that only Islam is a man-made religion. The focal point of the thread is about Islam, not other religions.

But Islam is a religion that most (or even "all") Muslims believed it is made by Allah, since the beginning of creation (of Adam).

It is nonsensical and unsubstantiated propaganda that I see often in this forum. The same with this 72 virgins, or other stuffs, like Gabriel visiting Muhammad or the al-&#8217;Isr&#257;&#8217; wal-Mi&#8216;r&#257;j (the "Night Journey", in which Muhammad supposed travelled to Jerusalem in a single night, and to visit heavens and god spoke to him, like Enoch).

The 72 Virgins things is, fundamentally, no different from any other carrot and stick. It preys on man's carnal desires and fears. And it is this, I think, that indicates to me that religions are man made.

Where Muslims may be promised 72 virgins, christians are promised streets of gold and everlasting life.

Agreed. Most religions promise something about the afterlife.

Pretty much every religion's concept of hell (whether hell or Jahannam) preys on man's carnal fear of pain and death. Particualrly fire, since fire is the basest and easiest fear to understand. Nobody wants to burn to death.

I personally don't believe in hell, but if it did exist, I hoped these people who conned these Muslims into killing people at weddings, the markets, schools or bus stops (recruiters) or the suicide bombers themselves are in hell forever, either burning in fire or exploding, for killing the innocents.

The suicide bombers and those who recruited them are no better than the Crusaders in the Middle Ages. They are using exactly same tactics, to get them to kill others in the name of their god, religions or prophet/messiah.

 

[Pegg]

It is a con.

Make a promise of 72 virgins to each male martyr, is the sort of thing an Arab would fantasise, sort of like personal harem or prostitution ring.

That there are some young and naive Muslims out there, it is a promise that make it easy to recruit them for suicide bombers or other terrorist actions.

i agree.