The 70 Week/Years of Daniel 9:24-27 (Part One)

[Ben Masada]

The 70 Week/Years Prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 - Part One


This prophetic frame of Daniel 9:24-27 ought to be interepreted on a double manner. Both ways starting on the same point in History: The destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians in 586 BCE.

Both facets of the frame belong to two different visions of Daniel. First, the angel is commanded to make Daniel understand about the end of the exile in Babylon, whose 70 years of Jeremiah 25:11 are referred to as 70 weeks in that vision; being one week equal to one year. Historically, the exile lasted 70 years and not 490 years. (Dan. 9:23)

The second vision concerns with event that befall God's People in the days to follow. (Dan. 10:14) The computation of the time on this second vision follows the method of days as years

The 70 week/years of the exile started officially in 586 BCE with the destruction of the Temple. I say officially because Jews were being exiled even before the final destructon. Verse 24 is read as a preface to the frame which starts properly with verse 25.

So, "From the utterance of the 'word' that Jerusalem was to be rebuilt until one who is anointed and a leader, there shall be 7 weeks." Utterance of the word, not commandment or decree as KJV translates. The original in Hebrew brings "Davar" which means prophetic word and not decree or edit. And that prophetic word was uttered by Jeremiah according to chapters 30 and 31, and 33:7,8. And the text does not say after but from. From the utterance of the word.

Jerusalem is used as synonym for Israel, the People, the Community, the nation. It was to be rebuilt as we have from Jeremiah 31:4 and 33:7. And in a letter from Jeremiah to the exiles in Babylon, he explains when and where the rebuilding of Jerusalem should proceed: Right there and then. (Jer. 29:4-10)

"Until one who is anointed and a leader" according to the original and not as KJV brings: "Unto the Messiah, the Prince." That's quite another matter. So, until this anoint and leader, there will be 7 weeks or 49 years. From 586 BCE down through 49 years, we will be in 537 BCE when Cyrus, that anointed and leader, according to Isaiah 45:1-4, tried to effect the fulfilment of Jeremiah's prophectic word. (Ezra 1:1-4) But 70 years must
be fulfilled according to Daniel 9:2, and in 537, we have only 49 years. How to account for the 21 years left?

It was familiar to Daniel that Judaism, symbolically, would apply protecting angels to various groups of human society or countries. Such angels would be represented not only as guardians of a country respectively, but also to guide them in wars according to Divine will.

So, Persia started the conquest of Babylon in 538 BCE. In 537, Cyrus prematurely, tried to force the fulfilment of the prophecy of Jeremiah by proclaiming the end of the exile. However, according to Jeremiah 29:10, "Only after 70 years have elapsed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill for you my promise to bring you back to this place." So, the injunction that 70 years had to be fulfilled of Daniel 9:2 is solved by another vision that Daniel had in chapter 10.

The war between Persia and Babylon was not really over in 537 BCE. The fight continued until 516, as we can see by the words in Daniel 10:13. "The Prince or angel of the Kingdom of Persia stood in my way. (Here speaks the angel of Babylon) for 21 days/years until finally Michael (the angel of Israel) came to help me." It was then that actually, the exile was over and the 70 years had been fulfilled. Remember that Michael had not come until the 70 years were over. Then, neither of the angels or princes of Persia and Babylon stood on each other's way. Israel was finaly free to return. The first part of Daniel's prophetic frame ends here.

The second part of that frame starts with Daniel 9:25, and at the same time of the first part: 586 BCE. The text does not say that the 62 weeks proceeds from the 7 weeks mentioned in the same verse. It simply says that "During 62 weeks it shall be rebuilt." Let's not forget that wht is to be rebuilt since the beginning of the exile is the nation of Israel, whose process the author extends to his time. "In times of afflction" because of
the captivity and difficulties to resettle the Land. Physically, Jerusalem, the city, or the walls, or the Temple, did not take so long to be rebuilt. In fact, the walls of Jerusalem took only 52 literal days, according to Nehemiah 6:15.

So, 62 weeks or 434 years will take us to 152 BCE when the High Priest Onias the Third was murdered. (II Mac. 4:30-38) The text says, "After 62 weeks an anointed shall be cut down when he does not possess the city." The High Priest is an anointed; and how about the statement, "when he does not possess the city?"

(to continue)

 

[Bishadi]

it is being continued

24`Seventy weeks are determined for thy people, and for thy holy city, to shut up the transgression, and to seal up sins, and to cover iniquity, and to bring in righteousness age-during, and to seal up vision and prophet, and to anoint the holy of holies.

25And thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader [is] seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times.

26And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end [is] with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations.
27And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

Practically the whole chapter of 9 is talking about the destruction of Israel/jerusalem................. in our time, just in case you wanted to know!



perhaps read how upset the visions are hurting the author........... He is being allowed to see the destruction and is practically begging or God's mercy!

16`O Lord, according to all Thy righteous acts, let turn back, I pray Thee, Thine anger and Thy fury from Thy city Jerusalem, Thy holy mount, for by our sins, and by the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Thy people [are] for a reproach to all our neighbours;


17and now, hearken, O our God, unto the prayer of Thy servant, and unto his supplication, and cause Thy face to shine on Thy sanctuary that [is] desolate, for the Lord's sake.


18`Incline, O my God, Thine ear, and hear, open Thine eyes and see our desolations, and the city on which Thy name is called; for not for our righteous acts are we causing our supplications to fall before Thee, but for Thy mercies that [are] many.

Most all of the OT prophets shared how corrupt and what WILL occur to jeruselem.

And to just observe what is occuring RIGHT NOW in the middle east, then realize; this ain't no practice run; you living in them times!

 

[Ben Masada]

it is being continued




Practically the whole chapter of 9 is talking about the destruction of Israel/jerusalem................. in our time, just in case you wanted to know!



perhaps read how upset the visions are hurting the author........... He is being allowed to see the destruction and is practically begging or God's mercy!



Most all of the OT prophets shared how corrupt and what WILL occur to jeruselem.

And to just observe what is occuring RIGHT NOW in the middle east, then realize; this ain't no practice run; you living in them times!

Why don't you enlighten me with what is happening in the Middle East that has anything to do with the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-26?

 

[curious-er]

"Until one who is anointed and a leader" according to the original and not as KJV brings: "Unto the Messiah, the Prince." That's quite another matter.

Ben the word translated as anointed is "Mashiyach". It is used in reference to one who has been appointed by God. Not always with reference to "The Messiah" and can be used with regards to other persons such as Moses, the High Priest, Cyrus, etc. However the word translated as Messiah is "Mashiyach".

So not quite another matter.

 

[Bishadi]

Why don't you enlighten me with what is happening in the Middle East that has anything to do with the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-26?

the issue is time

but any can see/read about how long israel has 'existed' (about 70 yrs)

and within the context of the line items you wrote, he is 'destroying' them of corruption

the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end [is] with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations.

27And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.


as when the truth is 'revealed' the religions are over

 

[Ben Masada]

Ben the word translated as anointed is "Mashiyach". It is used in reference to one who has been appointed by God. Not always with reference to "The Messiah" and can be used with regards to other persons such as Moses, the High Priest, Cyrus, etc. However the word translated as Messiah is "Mashiyach".

So not quite another matter.

I know it is. That's what anointed means. And Messiah is one appointed by God. The Messiah per se is Israel. "A messiah" or one who is a messiah, that's what I have from the original. Moses, High Priest, Cyrus, David, a king, they are referenced to as "one who is a messiah."
Ben

 

[Ben Masada]

the issue is time

but any can see/read about how long israel has 'existed' (about 70 yrs)

What does it mean? Israel has existed for over 4,000 years.

 

[Bishadi]

What does it mean? Israel has existed for over 4,000 years.

When was Moses alive?

He knew he would never see 'the land of promise'...which means the ideology of a 'site' being israel did not EXIST but it was them afterwards that added to the analogy of israel being a place, rather than a 'people of god'

basically what 'Islam' is to muslims

you think israel was a place and that reveals your ignorance to scripture

 

[Bishadi]

since you like Isaiah 8

22And unto the land it looketh attentively, And lo, adversity and darkness! -- Dimness, distress, and thick darkness is driven away, But not the dimness for which she is in distress!


the fools think the land is good

 

[whatistruth07]

Three noteworthy incidents deserve consideration with regard to the beginning of the “seventy weeks.” The first occurred in 537 B.C.E. when Cyrus issued his decree restoring the Jews to their homeland. It reads: “This is what Cyrus the king of Persia has said, ‘All the kingdoms of the earth Jehovah the God of the heavens has given me, and he himself has commissioned me to build him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever there is among you of all his people, may his God prove to be with him. So let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and rebuild the house of Jehovah the God of Israel—he is the true God—which was in Jerusalem. As for anyone that is left from all the places where he is residing as an alien, let the men of his place assist him with silver and with gold and with goods and with domestic animals along with the voluntary offering for the house of the true God, which was in Jerusalem.’” (Ezra 1:2-4) Clearly, the express purpose of this decree was to have the temple—“the house of Jehovah”—rebuilt on its former site.

How many years elapsed before Jerusalem was actually rebuilt? Well, the restoration of the city was to be accomplished “in the straits of the times” because of difficulties among the Jews themselves and opposition from the Samaritans and others. The work was evidently completed to the extent necessary by about 406 B.C.E.—within the “seven weeks,” or 49 years. (Daniel 9:25) A period of 62 weeks, or 434 years, would follow. After that time period, the long-promised Messiah would appear. Counting 483 years (49 plus 434) from 455 B.C.E. brings us to 29 C.E. What happened at that time? The Gospel writer Luke tells us: “In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was district ruler of Galilee, . . . God’s declaration came to John the son of Zechariah in the wilderness. So he came into all the country around the Jordan, preaching baptism in symbol of repentance for forgiveness of sins.” At that time “the people were in expectation” of the Messiah.—Luke 3:1-3, 15.

John was not the promised Messiah. But concerning what he witnessed at the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth, in the fall of 29 C.E., John said: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him. Even I did not know him, but the very One who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘Whoever it is upon whom you see the spirit coming down and remaining, this is the one that baptizes in holy spirit.’ And I have seen it, and I have borne witness that this one is the Son of God.” (John 1:32-34) At his baptism, Jesus became the Anointed One—the Messiah, or Christ. Shortly thereafter, John’s disciple Andrew met the anointed Jesus and then told Simon Peter: “We have found the Messiah.” (John 1:41) Thus, “Messiah the Leader” appeared exactly on time—at the end of 69 weeks!
Gabriel said that the period of “seventy weeks” had been determined “in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite, and to imprint a seal upon vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.” For this to be accomplished, “Messiah the Leader” had to die. When? Gabriel said: “After the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. . . . And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.” (Daniel 9:26a, 27a) The critical time was “at the half of the week,” that is, the middle of the last week of years.
Jesus Christ’s public ministry began in the latter part of 29 C.E. and lasted for three and a half years. As prophesied, early in 33 C.E., Christ was “cut off” when he died on a torture stake, giving his human life as a ransom for mankind. (Isaiah 53:8; Matthew 20:28) The need for the animal sacrifices and the gift offerings prescribed by the Law ceased when the resurrected Jesus presented the value of his sacrificed human life to God in heaven. Although the Jewish priests continued to make offerings until the destruction of Jerusalem’s temple in 70 C.E., such sacrifices were no longer acceptable to God. They had been replaced by a better sacrifice, one that never had to be repeated. The apostle Paul wrote: “[Christ] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually . . . For it is by one sacrificial offering that he has made those who are being sanctified perfect perpetually.”—Hebrews 10:12, 14.

Though sin and death continued to afflict mankind, Jesus’ being cut off in death and his resurrection to heavenly life fulfilled prophecy. It ‘terminated transgression, finished off sin, made atonement for error, and brought in righteousness.’ God had removed the Law covenant, which had exposed and condemned the Jews as sinners. (Romans 5:12, 19, 20; Galatians 3:13, 19; Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13, 14) Now the sins of repentant wrongdoers could be canceled, and the penalties thereof could be lifted. By means of the Messiah’s propitiatory sacrifice, reconciliation with God was possible for those exercising faith. They could look forward to receiving God’s gift of “everlasting life by Christ Jesus.”—Romans 3:21-26; 6:22, 23; 1 John 2:1, 2.

So it was that Jehovah removed the Law covenant by means of Christ’s death in 33 C.E. How, then, could it be said that the Messiah “must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week”? Because he kept the Abrahamic covenant in force. Until the 70th week ended, God extended the blessings of that covenant to Abraham’s Hebrew offspring. But at the end of the “seventy weeks” of years, in 36 C.E., the apostle Peter preached to the devout Italian man Cornelius, his household, and other Gentiles. And from that day on, the good news began to be declared among people of the nations.—Acts 3:25, 26; 10:1-48; Galatians 3:8, 9, 14.

So it was that Jehovah removed the Law covenant by means of Christ’s death in 33 C.E. How, then, could it be said that the Messiah “must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week”? Because he kept the Abrahamic covenant in force. Until the 70th week ended, God extended the blessings of that covenant to Abraham’s Hebrew offspring. But at the end of the “seventy weeks” of years, in 36 C.E., the apostle Peter preached to the devout Italian man Cornelius, his household, and other Gentiles. And from that day on, the good news began to be declared among people of the nations.—Acts 3:25, 26; 10:1-48; Galatians 3:8, 9, 14.


Historical records show that in 66 C.E., Roman legions under Syrian Governor Cestius Gallus surrounded Jerusalem. Despite Jewish resistance, the Roman forces bearing their idolatrous ensigns, or standards, penetrated the city and started to undermine the temple wall on the north. Their standing there made them a “disgusting thing” that could cause complete desolation. (Matthew 24:15, 16) In 70 C.E., the Romans under General Titus came like a “flood” and desolated the city and its temple. Nothing stopped them, for this had been decreed—“decided upon”—by God. The Great Timekeeper, Jehovah, had again fulfilled his word!

 

[Just_me_Mike]

This book changed my view on the 70 wks all together. Of course I have read many books on the subject, this is the most thorough analysis I have ever seen.
Here is a link fro my website
http://www.vivisual.com/70wks.pdf

 

[Ben Masada]

When was Moses alive?

He knew he would never see 'the land of promise'...which means the ideology of a 'site' being israel did not EXIST but it was them afterwards that added to the analogy of israel being a place, rather than a 'people of god'

basically what 'Islam' is to muslims

you think israel was a place and that reveals your ignorance to scripture

I am talking about Israel, the People and not Israel the site.

 

[Ben Masada]

Three noteworthy incidents deserve consideration with regard to the beginning of the “seventy weeks.” The first occurred in 537 B.C.E. when Cyrus issued his decree restoring the Jews to their homeland. It reads: “This is what Cyrus the king of Persia has said, ‘All the kingdoms of the earth Jehovah the God of the heavens has given me, and he himself has commissioned me to build him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever there is among you of all his people, may his God prove to be with him. So let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and rebuild the house of Jehovah the God of Israel—he is the true God—which was in Jerusalem. As for anyone that is left from all the places where he is residing as an alien, let the men of his place assist him with silver and with gold and with goods and with domestic animals along with the voluntary offering for the house of the true God, which was in Jerusalem.’” (Ezra 1:2-4) Clearly, the express purpose of this decree was to have the temple—“the house of Jehovah”—rebuilt on its former site.

How many years elapsed before Jerusalem was actually rebuilt? Well, the restoration of the city was to be accomplished “in the straits of the times” because of difficulties among the Jews themselves and opposition from the Samaritans and others. The work was evidently completed to the extent necessary by about 406 B.C.E.—within the “seven weeks,” or 49 years. (Daniel 9:25) A period of 62 weeks, or 434 years, would follow. After that time period, the long-promised Messiah would appear. Counting 483 years (49 plus 434) from 455 B.C.E. brings us to 29 C.E. What happened at that time? The Gospel writer Luke tells us: “In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was district ruler of Galilee, . . . God’s declaration came to John the son of Zechariah in the wilderness. So he came into all the country around the Jordan, preaching baptism in symbol of repentance for forgiveness of sins.” At that time “the people were in expectation” of the Messiah.—Luke 3:1-3, 15.

John was not the promised Messiah. But concerning what he witnessed at the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth, in the fall of 29 C.E., John said: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him. Even I did not know him, but the very One who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘Whoever it is upon whom you see the spirit coming down and remaining, this is the one that baptizes in holy spirit.’ And I have seen it, and I have borne witness that this one is the Son of God.” (John 1:32-34) At his baptism, Jesus became the Anointed One—the Messiah, or Christ. Shortly thereafter, John’s disciple Andrew met the anointed Jesus and then told Simon Peter: “We have found the Messiah.” (John 1:41) Thus, “Messiah the Leader” appeared exactly on time—at the end of 69 weeks!
Gabriel said that the period of “seventy weeks” had been determined “in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite, and to imprint a seal upon vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.” For this to be accomplished, “Messiah the Leader” had to die. When? Gabriel said: “After the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. . . . And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.” (Daniel 9:26a, 27a) The critical time was “at the half of the week,” that is, the middle of the last week of years.
Jesus Christ’s public ministry began in the latter part of 29 C.E. and lasted for three and a half years. As prophesied, early in 33 C.E., Christ was “cut off” when he died on a torture stake, giving his human life as a ransom for mankind. (Isaiah 53:8; Matthew 20:28) The need for the animal sacrifices and the gift offerings prescribed by the Law ceased when the resurrected Jesus presented the value of his sacrificed human life to God in heaven. Although the Jewish priests continued to make offerings until the destruction of Jerusalem’s temple in 70 C.E., such sacrifices were no longer acceptable to God. They had been replaced by a better sacrifice, one that never had to be repeated. The apostle Paul wrote: “[Christ] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually . . . For it is by one sacrificial offering that he has made those who are being sanctified perfect perpetually.”—Hebrews 10:12, 14.

Though sin and death continued to afflict mankind, Jesus’ being cut off in death and his resurrection to heavenly life fulfilled prophecy. It ‘terminated transgression, finished off sin, made atonement for error, and brought in righteousness.’ God had removed the Law covenant, which had exposed and condemned the Jews as sinners. (Romans 5:12, 19, 20; Galatians 3:13, 19; Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13, 14) Now the sins of repentant wrongdoers could be canceled, and the penalties thereof could be lifted. By means of the Messiah’s propitiatory sacrifice, reconciliation with God was possible for those exercising faith. They could look forward to receiving God’s gift of “everlasting life by Christ Jesus.”—Romans 3:21-26; 6:22, 23; 1 John 2:1, 2.

So it was that Jehovah removed the Law covenant by means of Christ’s death in 33 C.E. How, then, could it be said that the Messiah “must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week”? Because he kept the Abrahamic covenant in force. Until the 70th week ended, God extended the blessings of that covenant to Abraham’s Hebrew offspring. But at the end of the “seventy weeks” of years, in 36 C.E., the apostle Peter preached to the devout Italian man Cornelius, his household, and other Gentiles. And from that day on, the good news began to be declared among people of the nations.—Acts 3:25, 26; 10:1-48; Galatians 3:8, 9, 14.

So it was that Jehovah removed the Law covenant by means of Christ’s death in 33 C.E. How, then, could it be said that the Messiah “must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week”? Because he kept the Abrahamic covenant in force. Until the 70th week ended, God extended the blessings of that covenant to Abraham’s Hebrew offspring. But at the end of the “seventy weeks” of years, in 36 C.E., the apostle Peter preached to the devout Italian man Cornelius, his household, and other Gentiles. And from that day on, the good news began to be declared among people of the nations.—Acts 3:25, 26; 10:1-48; Galatians 3:8, 9, 14.


Historical records show that in 66 C.E., Roman legions under Syrian Governor Cestius Gallus surrounded Jerusalem. Despite Jewish resistance, the Roman forces bearing their idolatrous ensigns, or standards, penetrated the city and started to undermine the temple wall on the north. Their standing there made them a “disgusting thing” that could cause complete desolation. (Matthew 24:15, 16) In 70 C.E., the Romans under General Titus came like a “flood” and desolated the city and its temple. Nothing stopped them, for this had been decreed—“decided upon”—by God. The Great Timekeeper, Jehovah, had again fulfilled his word!

I gave you the Jewish interpretation of the prophecy of the 70 week/years of Daniel 9. Any interpretation given by a different religion is prone to fail from the onset.

 

[Bishadi]

I gave you the Jewish interpretation of the prophecy of the 70 week/years of Daniel 9. Any interpretation given by a different religion is prone to fail from the onset.

how about, "most any religious interpretation will be wrong"

as any can see this for themselves just by reading the texts in which they base the religion on

 

[jtartar]

The 70 Week/Years Prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 - Part One


This prophetic frame of Daniel 9:24-27 ought to be interepreted on a double manner. Both ways starting on the same point in History: The destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians in 586 BCE.

Both facets of the frame belong to two different visions of Daniel. First, the angel is commanded to make Daniel understand about the end of the exile in Babylon, whose 70 years of Jeremiah 25:11 are referred to as 70 weeks in that vision; being one week equal to one year. Historically, the exile lasted 70 years and not 490 years. (Dan. 9:23)

The second vision concerns with event that befall God's People in the days to follow. (Dan. 10:14) The computation of the time on this second vision follows the method of days as years

The 70 week/years of the exile started officially in 586 BCE with the destruction of the Temple. I say officially because Jews were being exiled even before the final destructon. Verse 24 is read as a preface to the frame which starts properly with verse 25.

So, "From the utterance of the 'word' that Jerusalem was to be rebuilt until one who is anointed and a leader, there shall be 7 weeks." Utterance of the word, not commandment or decree as KJV translates. The original in Hebrew brings "Davar" which means prophetic word and not decree or edit. And that prophetic word was uttered by Jeremiah according to chapters 30 and 31, and 33:7,8. And the text does not say after but from. From the utterance of the word.

Jerusalem is used as synonym for Israel, the People, the Community, the nation. It was to be rebuilt as we have from Jeremiah 31:4 and 33:7. And in a letter from Jeremiah to the exiles in Babylon, he explains when and where the rebuilding of Jerusalem should proceed: Right there and then. (Jer. 29:4-10)

"Until one who is anointed and a leader" according to the original and not as KJV brings: "Unto the Messiah, the Prince." That's quite another matter. So, until this anoint and leader, there will be 7 weeks or 49 years. From 586 BCE down through 49 years, we will be in 537 BCE when Cyrus, that anointed and leader, according to Isaiah 45:1-4, tried to effect the fulfilment of Jeremiah's prophectic word. (Ezra 1:1-4) But 70 years must
be fulfilled according to Daniel 9:2, and in 537, we have only 49 years. How to account for the 21 years left?

It was familiar to Daniel that Judaism, symbolically, would apply protecting angels to various groups of human society or countries. Such angels would be represented not only as guardians of a country respectively, but also to guide them in wars according to Divine will.

So, Persia started the conquest of Babylon in 538 BCE. In 537, Cyrus prematurely, tried to force the fulfilment of the prophecy of Jeremiah by proclaiming the end of the exile. However, according to Jeremiah 29:10, "Only after 70 years have elapsed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill for you my promise to bring you back to this place." So, the injunction that 70 years had to be fulfilled of Daniel 9:2 is solved by another vision that Daniel had in chapter 10.

The war between Persia and Babylon was not really over in 537 BCE. The fight continued until 516, as we can see by the words in Daniel 10:13. "The Prince or angel of the Kingdom of Persia stood in my way. (Here speaks the angel of Babylon) for 21 days/years until finally Michael (the angel of Israel) came to help me." It was then that actually, the exile was over and the 70 years had been fulfilled. Remember that Michael had not come until the 70 years were over. Then, neither of the angels or princes of Persia and Babylon stood on each other's way. Israel was finaly free to return. The first part of Daniel's prophetic frame ends here.

The second part of that frame starts with Daniel 9:25, and at the same time of the first part: 586 BCE. The text does not say that the 62 weeks proceeds from the 7 weeks mentioned in the same verse. It simply says that "During 62 weeks it shall be rebuilt." Let's not forget that wht is to be rebuilt since the beginning of the exile is the nation of Israel, whose process the author extends to his time. "In times of afflction" because of
the captivity and difficulties to resettle the Land. Physically, Jerusalem, the city, or the walls, or the Temple, did not take so long to be rebuilt. In fact, the walls of Jerusalem took only 52 literal days, according to Nehemiah 6:15.

So, 62 weeks or 434 years will take us to 152 BCE when the High Priest Onias the Third was murdered. (II Mac. 4:30-38) The text says, "After 62 weeks an anointed shall be cut down when he does not possess the city." The High Priest is an anointed; and how about the statement, "when he does not possess the city?"

(to continue)

Ben Masada,
I am wondering if you believe the Hebrew Scriptures. Secular historians point to the date 586BC, as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. This date is incorrect. The true date of the destruction of Jerusalem was 607BC. We can be sure of this date because of one very important date, The falling of Babylon to the Medes and Persions. Babylon fell in the year 539BC. This date is called a pivotal date and is accepted by both Bible scholars and secular historians. Remember, the Jews were to be held captive in Babylon for 70 years.The Jews were released the next year after 539 and returned home in 537 BC. Seventy years added to 537BC comes to 607BC.

This has nothing to do with Daniels prophecy recorded at Dan 9:24-27.
By noticing your ability to interpret scripture by what you would like it to say, instead of what they say, I am afraid you have a very bad case of Eisegesis.
Did you not notice that Dan 9:24,25 says this prophecy is prophesying the coming of the Messiah the Leader???
Verse 25 tells us that from the going forth of the word to rebuild Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah there would be 7 weeks and 62 weeks. This would be 69 weeks. We know by history that nothing noteworth happened, either at 7 weeks or at 62 weeks. When you apply the formula of a day for a year, it is a totally different thing. At the end of 7weeks of years, 49 years, Jerusalem was rebuilt, Jerusalem was rebuilt in 406BC. Now add this to
62 weeks of years equals 483, 49 years + 434. This date comes to 29CE, the exact date the Messiah presented himself to John the Baptist, to be baptized.
To prove the dates we must find out exactly when the word went forth to rebuild Jerusalem. The Bible tells us this date, it was the 20th year of Artaxerxes, Neh 2:1-5. History tells us that Artaxerxes came to power in 575BC.
Jerusalem was rebuilt in 406BC, 7weeks of years, The Messiah came at the end of 69weeks of years at 29Ce. But remember the covenant must remain in force for the many until the end of the 70 week of years. Notice that verse 27 mentions the half of the week, the 70 week. Jesus taught for 31/2 years=half of a week, then he was cut off, in death. The covenant for the Jews would continue on until 36CE, the end of the 70 weeks of years.
In 36CE Peter went to the first gentile, Cornelius to accept him into God's congregation.
This is why the Jews were in expectation of the Messiah, they understood the prophecy of Daniel, Luke 3:15.
The rest of verse 27 is prophecying about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE. The Roman armies are the disgusting thing standing in a Holy place, the Temple area. The destruction of Jerusalem was because the Jews did not accept God's son as the Messiah. This ended all the sacerdotal system of the Jews.

 

[Ben Masada]

Ben Masada,
I am wondering if you believe the Hebrew Scriptures. Secular historians point to the date 586BC, as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. This date is incorrect. The true date of the destruction of Jerusalem was 607BC. We can be sure of this date because of one very important date, The falling of Babylon to the Medes and Persions. Babylon fell in the year 539BC. This date is called a pivotal date and is accepted by both Bible scholars and secular historians. Remember, the Jews were to be held captive in Babylon for 70 years.The Jews were released the next year after 539 and returned home in 537 BC. Seventy years added to 537BC comes to 607BC.

This has nothing to do with Daniels prophecy recorded at Dan 9:24-27.
By noticing your ability to interpret scripture by what you would like it to say, instead of what they say, I am afraid you have a very bad case of Eisegesis.
Did you not notice that Dan 9:24,25 says this prophecy is prophesying the coming of the Messiah the Leader???
Verse 25 tells us that from the going forth of the word to rebuild Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah there would be 7 weeks and 62 weeks. This would be 69 weeks. We know by history that nothing noteworth happened, either at 7 weeks or at 62 weeks. When you apply the formula of a day for a year, it is a totally different thing. At the end of 7weeks of years, 49 years, Jerusalem was rebuilt, Jerusalem was rebuilt in 406BC. Now add this to
62 weeks of years equals 483, 49 years + 434. This date comes to 29CE, the exact date the Messiah presented himself to John the Baptist, to be baptized.
To prove the dates we must find out exactly when the word went forth to rebuild Jerusalem. The Bible tells us this date, it was the 20th year of Artaxerxes, Neh 2:1-5. History tells us that Artaxerxes came to power in 575BC.
Jerusalem was rebuilt in 406BC, 7weeks of years, The Messiah came at the end of 69weeks of years at 29Ce. But remember the covenant must remain in force for the many until the end of the 70 week of years. Notice that verse 27 mentions the half of the week, the 70 week. Jesus taught for 31/2 years=half of a week, then he was cut off, in death. The covenant for the Jews would continue on until 36CE, the end of the 70 weeks of years.
In 36CE Peter went to the first gentile, Cornelius to accept him into God's congregation.
This is why the Jews were in expectation of the Messiah, they understood the prophecy of Daniel, Luke 3:15.
The rest of verse 27 is prophecying about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE. The Roman armies are the disgusting thing standing in a Holy place, the Temple area. The destruction of Jerusalem was because the Jews did not accept God's son as the Messiah. This ended all the sacerdotal system of the Jews.

It happens that you have missed a small but vital detail. That yours is a Christian interpretation of a Jewish prophecy. Any prophecy of a religion, any religion, interpreted by a different religion is prone naturally to fail from the onset. According to Isaiah 8:20, there is no light in your interpretation of the 70 week/years of Daniel 9:24-27. Bring up a Jewish interpretation which differs from mine, and I'll review all my ways to look at prophecies in the Scriptures.

 

[Muffled]

It happens that you have missed a small but vital detail. That yours is a Christian interpretation of a Jewish prophecy. Any prophecy of a religion, any religion, interpreted by a different religion is prone naturally to fail from the onset. According to Isaiah 8:20, there is no light in your interpretation of the 70 week/years of Daniel 9:24-27. Bring up a Jewish interpretation which differs from mine, and I'll review all my ways to look at prophecies in the Scriptures.

Fotflmao. You are going to claim you are right because you are Jewish. This is from a perrson who belongs to a group that doesn't have enough sense to stay away from wooden idols. I don't agree with your arrogant self assessment. I believe a person has to prove his point to be considered right.

 

[Ben Masada]

how about, "most any religious interpretation will be wrong"

as any can see this for themselves just by reading the texts in which they base the religion on

No, the best interpretation to a Christian prophecy must be given by a Christian. The best interpretation to a Muslim prophecy must be given by someone related to Islam. Obviously, a Jewish prophecy must be interpreted by a Jew.

 

[Ben Masada]

Fotflmao. You are going to claim you are right because you are Jewish. This is from a perrson who belongs to a group that doesn't have enough sense to stay away from wooden idols. I don't agree with your arrogant self assessment. I believe a person has to prove his point to be considered right.

What did I say above? Bring a Jew with a different interpretation from mine and I will reconsider. I understand your point about a person who is able to prove his point to be considered right. If he or she can prove his or her point without preconceived notion, it will be worthy an analysis. There is no arrogance in my assesment. This is just a matter of being sure of oneself.

 

[lovemore]

It was attempting to justify this prophecy that made me recognize that history simple didn't agree with the bible.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

The 70 weeks starts when the commandment goes forth (Dan 9:25), which is at the beginning of Daniel's prayer (Dan 9:23), which is in the first year of Darius (Dan 9:1). Therefore understand the matter.

The prophecy begins 450 years before Christ at the end of the 70 years of captivity, which makes the destruction of the temple 500 years before Christ. This also puts Christ's birth on a jubilee year.

The Darius the Mede, and Cyrus the Persian, rule at the same time.

History says that the Medes and Persians were not co-rulers. This flatly contradicts Daniel.

History was adjusted to make the prophecy point to a fictional character called Julius Caesar instead of Christ, by adding about 90 years into history. This is nothing other than the thinking to change times and laws (Dan 7:25).

According to Wikipedia, there is a discrepency of 165 years between the historical and the Jewish dates for when the temple was destroyed.