Jeremiah Ames
Well-Known Member
So how many are there per the Lord at this time?
Why do you give the answer you do?
Why do you give the answer you do?
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The _______ Commandments
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Jeremiah Ames
Well-Known Member
Oops, better recheck the Bible.
bubbleguppy
Serial Forum Observer
I know that there are the initial 10 commandments, but who am I to say if any Christians consider other suggestions/demands/rules stated in the Bible as additional commandments, or commandments which replace the original 10? I don't really think I should have a say on the matter really.
Jeremiah Ames
Well-Known Member
Ok, guys, please reread my questions.
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
I can't tell if this is supposed to be hard, or if i'm just an idiot.Ok, guys, please reread my questions.
bubbleguppy
Serial Forum Observer
I gave you my answer. If this is some quiz I don't get it. I don't know enough about Christianity to get it. So if you have some big point you're trying to prove could you possibly get on with it?
Axe Elf
Prophet
He may be going for the two "commandments" given by the Lord (Jesus) when He was asked which was the greatest commandment, in Matthew 22:35-40 and Mark 12:28-29. Jesus said that the whole of the Law was fulfilled in the two commandments of loving God and loving each other.
But technically, the original Ten Commandments are still in effect; they have just been fulfilled (not nullified) by Jesus.
But technically, the original Ten Commandments are still in effect; they have just been fulfilled (not nullified) by Jesus.
bubbleguppy
Serial Forum Observer
Thank you.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Those aren't actually the 10.
Buddha Dharma
Dharma Practitioner
I answered some other number because many Christian sects think all kinds of things are forbidden/permitted, and don't exactly agree on the details. I had to answer that way because I don't presume 'the Lord' inspired any Judeo-Christian commandments. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divine inspiration within them to quote Paine, and- there are superior/more relevant moral guidelines in Jainism (as an example) than thought crimes like coveting and holding the 'wrong' belief, to quote Harris.
According to at least some Christians, there are only two commandments now. Love God, Love your neighbor.
Buddha Dharma
Dharma Practitioner
The summation of the law, which is interestingly lifted from the Book of Deuteronomy and is Jewish in origin. Even though there it doesn't carry the same minimalist context.
This is a point of debate in contemporary Christian communities? Can someone link to some examples of this for further education? Preferably academic/good sources?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The "Ten Commandments" are part of the 613 Commandments as found in Torah that pertain to the Jewish people. See: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)
Ironically, I've never seen a tabulation of the "Christian commandments", but that may be due to different denominations with differing ideas as to what's binding.
Ironically, I've never seen a tabulation of the "Christian commandments", but that may be due to different denominations with differing ideas as to what's binding.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Shouldn't love be genuine? Why would it need to be a commandment?
I suppose the term and meaning of love in ancient times was different than what we think of it as now.
It should be genuine, as you mentioned. I can only guess that a commandment is there because of our propensity not to do what we should do?
My understanding is that there are many types of love that we, in modern times, don't express in different terms. We know they are different when we say "I love pizza" vs "I love my spouse"... yet use the same word. Greek has different words for different types of love with "Agape" being the apex of love.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
One of my theology teachers says that "agape" is what can be called an "active noun", namely in this case that this is an all-encompassing "love" that one lives out of, not just has.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
What I think Jesus was likely saying with these two Commandments based on "agape" is that the entire Law (all 613 of them) can be condensed down to these two, especially since some Jewish sages felt that the main purpose of Torah was to try and create a more compassionate and just (fair) society and, eventually, world.
The example I could use to sort of explain this position can be likened to asking a young child to clean up their room, but first having to point out what to do with each item. But then eventually us parents being able to just tell them "Clean up your room!", and of course all teenagers will do just that.
So, when the Law was first given, each item of what to do and what not to do had to be spelled out, but centuries later all that would have to be said is "Clean up your act!", and all would certainly obey.
The example I could use to sort of explain this position can be likened to asking a young child to clean up their room, but first having to point out what to do with each item. But then eventually us parents being able to just tell them "Clean up your room!", and of course all teenagers will do just that.
So, when the Law was first given, each item of what to do and what not to do had to be spelled out, but centuries later all that would have to be said is "Clean up your act!", and all would certainly obey.