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The Abrahamic God
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Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
In great part I would define him through his relationship with the people of Israel, which is a central theme in the Bible (the Hebrew Bible). Realizing that the God of Abraham emerged from a Levantine Israelite and Judaic culture, and not from Christendom or Islam which discuss episodes centuries after the Biblical narratives and the Hebrew prophets.
He is a wholesome God: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7)
The New Testament and the Qur'an discuss very different concepts from the Hebrew Bible, so I am not sure there are 'three tribes of Abraham' to discuss, since there are not 3 denominations of the same faith, but different faiths all together. In various historical times people of the three faiths might have coexisted and syncretized their ideas, for example in Islamic Al-Andalus, and at the court of Saladin in Egypt, and also in Christian medieval Southern and Western Europe. Also perhaps in Prague. The unity of the three faiths, mostly depends on the receptiveness of the people at a certain place and time. For example some Muslims might appreciate the concept of the People of the Book, and have empathy for Judaism and Christianity, while others will focus on other Qur'anic passages which place them at odds with these faiths. Likewise, some Christians may appreciate the Biblical heritage of Jews, while others in history embraced the agenda of categorizing Jews collectively in the character of Judas Iscariot.
I believe these verses from the book of Job are also reflective of the atmosphere the scribes wanted to pass about their God:
"Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
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Orias
Left Hand Path
Thank you for that. I kind of thought along the same lines, I call them "Abrahamic Faiths" because they follow, from what I perceive, as the Abrahamic God. I do recognize that they are separate culture though, which in essence does lead to difference in faith.
Those passages, specifically the last one, is actually pretty enlightening considering my own personal interpretations
Those passages, specifically the last one, is actually pretty enlightening considering my own personal interpretations
arthra
Baha'i
In my view God is more than "Abrahamic". God is one and the same God and He has sent His messengers and prophets to humanity in the east and the west...He has not left us alone without guidance from age to age.
But religions in the west do trace their lineage to Abraham through His progeny.. by Sarah, Hagar or Khetura. So this is usually understood as through a Covenant.
15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land,..
(King James Bible, Genesis)
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
IOV He does both. He destructs the older and replaces with a better one through His progressive revelations.
IOV, He unifys them through the revelation of Baha'u'llah, by the teachings that came for this Age for the purpose of unification of Mankind; Unity in Diversity.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Caladan expressed it quite well, I think.
But I might also want to say that God (I don't conceive of there being an "Abrahamic God," as though there were other gods out there. There is one God, and every religion-- Abrahamic or otherwise-- has very different understandings of Him, sometimes even mistaking the One God for many gods) is the epitome of paradox. He is simultaneously utterly transcendant and completely immanent, both knowable and unknowable, who gives us the inspiration for wise teachings, and yet ultimately remains incomprehensible to us.
God is the Creator of all things, and as such, He has made a universe that includes chaos, entropy, evolution, and other modalities of life that include destruction as elements of creation.
But I might also want to say that God (I don't conceive of there being an "Abrahamic God," as though there were other gods out there. There is one God, and every religion-- Abrahamic or otherwise-- has very different understandings of Him, sometimes even mistaking the One God for many gods) is the epitome of paradox. He is simultaneously utterly transcendant and completely immanent, both knowable and unknowable, who gives us the inspiration for wise teachings, and yet ultimately remains incomprehensible to us.
God is the Creator of all things, and as such, He has made a universe that includes chaos, entropy, evolution, and other modalities of life that include destruction as elements of creation.
Orias
Left Hand Path
I will ask a mod to move it into the debate section.
There is no need for conflict here
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
He is the creator of the universe and all things in it. He is not only the God of a few, but the ONLY God over all nations, all people, all tribes. Life exists due to the power he puts into it. So in that way, all living things owe their lives to God and for that reason also, he has the right to dictate the terms of life.
when someone rejects those terms, God is not obligated to keep that person alive with his power.
when someone rejects those terms, God is not obligated to keep that person alive with his power.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
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outhouse
Atheistically
this deity born of polytheism, was never original to Israelites
he was compiled by Israelites and El, Baal and Yahweh became one after 622 BC. During the period of second Isaiah, by a king who was a strict Yahwist.
Even Abraham is a mythical person by most all scholars today, created in the 5th and 6th centuries to give the Israelite culture identity after the fall of the temple during the babylonian exile and the return of people to their native land.
please correct me if im wrong
he was compiled by Israelites and El, Baal and Yahweh became one after 622 BC. During the period of second Isaiah, by a king who was a strict Yahwist.
Even Abraham is a mythical person by most all scholars today, created in the 5th and 6th centuries to give the Israelite culture identity after the fall of the temple during the babylonian exile and the return of people to their native land.
please correct me if im wrong
The Fog Horn
Active Member
Do people worship volcanoes
Yahweh was very similar to Pele. He destroyed people with his fiery wrath, brimstone, rivers of fire and nostril filled smoke.....but then the ash fell and rejuvenated the land and then none of the survivors complained.
Funnily enough, Pele used to be used in the Bible but it was mysteriously smudged out and replaced with 'wonder'. Here are some examples of Yahweh's 'wonder'...
Exodus 15:11: "fearful in praises, doing wonders?"
Psalms 77:11: "of the LORD: surely I will remember thy wonders of old."
Psalms 77:14: "Thou art the God that doest wonders: thou hast declared thy strength among the people."
Psalms 78:12: " Marvelous things did he in the sight of their fathers, in the land of Egypt, in the field of Zoan."
Psalms 88:10: "Wilt thou show wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah."
Psalms 88:12: " Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"
Psalms 89:5: "And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O LORD: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints."
Psalms 119:129: "Thy testimonies are wonderful: therefore doth my soul keep"
Isaiah 9:6: "and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting"
Isaiah 25:1: "thy name; for thou hast done wonderful things; thy counsels of old are faithfulness"
Isaiah 29:14: "this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding"
Lamentations 1:9: "not her last end; therefore she came down wonderfully: she had no comforter. O LORD, behold"
Daniel 12:6: "the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"
Psalms 77:11: "of the LORD: surely I will remember thy wonders of old."
Psalms 77:14: "Thou art the God that doest wonders: thou hast declared thy strength among the people."
Psalms 78:12: " Marvelous things did he in the sight of their fathers, in the land of Egypt, in the field of Zoan."
Psalms 88:10: "Wilt thou show wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah."
Psalms 88:12: " Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"
Psalms 89:5: "And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O LORD: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints."
Psalms 119:129: "Thy testimonies are wonderful: therefore doth my soul keep"
Isaiah 9:6: "and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting"
Isaiah 25:1: "thy name; for thou hast done wonderful things; thy counsels of old are faithfulness"
Isaiah 29:14: "this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding"
Lamentations 1:9: "not her last end; therefore she came down wonderfully: she had no comforter. O LORD, behold"
Daniel 12:6: "the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"
Yahweh was wonderful! :yes: Give him a chicken!