The Absurdity Factor

[ThirtyThree]

I find a lot of difficulty accepting every aspect of even my own faith. Religion generally has this absurdity factor, where all reason is heaved out the window. While I have had many experiences to prove the reality of certain things, I look at some of my current beliefs and just want to scream, perhaps for an hour or more. It is absurd and I hate it! Two creators, for example. My deity being known by contrasting names through history and from pantheon to pantheon, separated by thousands of years?

The absurdity factor is often terribly overwhelming and it causes me to constantly question and reexamine many things I believe. However, not all of my beliefs are fixed types. Many are temporary, like stages through learning about certain things. Often something appears absurd but then it makes a lot more sense once it fully evolves to its final form. It is just the stages between now and then which bother me.

Ha, I would like very much at this point someone to tell me to keep on keeping on and have faith, for it is worth it in the end. Not that I plan to stop keeping on. More, I am just experiencing certain doubt and questioning things. This personal relationship with my deity is difficult at times regarding the absurdity factor and worry of some things being products of simply my mind. Then, that is healthy to my knowledge? To question? No one has perfect faith unless they are perfectly insane, if you ask me.

 

[George-ananda]

Perhaps you can tell us the basics of your religion. I'm always interested in such things.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Perhaps you can tell us the basics of your religion. I'm always interested in such things.

Basics... I am certain you can find some things I wrote about it throughout the forum?

 

[Ralphg]

I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity!
Edgar Allan Poe

For what it's worth your threads have helped me a lot. I now understand my own visions (what you call your deity) a lot better. To give you an example, most recently I've figured out aliens (the greys) are the methaphorical 'sleepers' in scripture and (but I knew that already) are my raison d'etre.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I find a lot of difficulty accepting every aspect of even my own faith. Religion generally has this absurdity factor, where all reason is heaved out the window. While I have had many experiences to prove the reality of certain things, I look at some of my current beliefs and just want to scream, perhaps for an hour or more. It is absurd and I hate it! Two creators, for example. My deity being known by contrasting names through history and from pantheon to pantheon, separated by thousands of years?

The absurdity factor is often terribly overwhelming and it causes me to constantly question and reexamine many things I believe. However, not all of my beliefs are fixed types. Many are temporary, like stages through learning about certain things. Often something appears absurd but then it makes a lot more sense once it fully evolves to its final form. It is just the stages between now and then which bother me.

Ha, I would like very much at this point someone to tell me to keep on keeping on and have faith, for it is worth it in the end. Not that I plan to stop keeping on. More, I am just experiencing certain doubt and questioning things. This personal relationship with my deity is difficult at times regarding the absurdity factor and worry of some things being products of simply my mind. Then, that is healthy to my knowledge? To question? No one has perfect faith unless they are perfectly insane, if you ask me.

What is your religion?

I feel every religion has some absurdity in it. I dont know which if your posts describes your belief. Maybe I can look it up?

 

[ThirtyThree]

What is your religion?

I feel every religion has some absurdity in it. I dont know which if your posts describes your belief. Maybe I can look it up?

You can look it up. Some of it is in my interview thread. There is more as well placed in same faith debates.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

I find a lot of difficulty accepting every aspect of even my own faith. Religion generally has this absurdity factor, where all reason is heaved out the window. While I have had many experiences to prove the reality of certain things, I look at some of my current beliefs and just want to scream, perhaps for an hour or more. It is absurd and I hate it! Two creators, for example. My deity being known by contrasting names through history and from pantheon to pantheon, separated by thousands of years?

The absurdity factor is often terribly overwhelming and it causes me to constantly question and reexamine many things I believe. However, not all of my beliefs are fixed types. Many are temporary, like stages through learning about certain things. Often something appears absurd but then it makes a lot more sense once it fully evolves to its final form. It is just the stages between now and then which bother me.

Ha, I would like very much at this point someone to tell me to keep on keeping on and have faith, for it is worth it in the end. Not that I plan to stop keeping on. More, I am just experiencing certain doubt and questioning things. This personal relationship with my deity is difficult at times regarding the absurdity factor and worry of some things being products of simply my mind. Then, that is healthy to my knowledge? To question? No one has perfect faith unless they are perfectly insane, if you ask me.

Perhaps look at philosophy to give you reasons to accept those parts of religion which may be troubling to accept through faith.
Rene's Descartes and Thomas Aquinas gave profound reasons to accept the existence of God.
People often use the terms 'my faith' and 'my religion' interchangeably,
but there are often strong reasons to accept the tenets of religion and when
those are not available our intuitions lead as in the word of faith.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Perhaps look at philosophy to give you reasons to accept those parts of religion which may be troubling to accept through faith.
Rene's Descartes and Thomas Aquinas gave profound reasons to accept the existence of God.
People often use the terms 'my faith' and 'my religion' interchangeably,
but there are often strong reasons to accept the tenets of religion and when
those are not available our intuitions lead as in the word of faith.

Thank you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You can look it up. Some of it is in my interview thread. There is more as well placed in same faith debates.

http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...l-agnostics-only-debating-my-religion.183659/

This is a lot of info. Im on a smartphone and pretty much need simple explainations.

Are you left hand path?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I know near nothing of Lucifarian

 

[ThirtyThree]

http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...l-agnostics-only-debating-my-religion.183659/

This is a lot of info. Im on a smartphone and pretty much need simple explainations.

Are you left hand path?

I do not think so.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You can look it up. Some of it is in my interview thread. There is more as well placed in same faith debates.

I wish I can help but the only theistic deity I know is the christian one. Id have to look up Lucifarian to get an idea of the beliefs.

In general, from a non academic perspective, in my faith we have devas, gods, and other non human beings. My being an atheist conflicts with this. What I do is learn more about the deities. In my view, they do t have to be concrete real to believe they exist. A lot of them had different roles to help others understand The Buddha's teachings.

Id say the same with your faith. Maybe your deity has different names to show different aspects of him or her and so you know the deity more closely. Pulling away from "this deity needs to be concrete" may help. In christianity, the holy spirit works in christians. Maybe see the deity work in you.

I dont know if satanism is the same as lucifarian, but if it is, maybe learning about your higher self will let you know or have more confirmation your deity exists.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Id say the same with your faith. Maybe your deity has different names to show different aspects of him or her and so you know the deity more closely. Pulling away from "this deity needs to be concrete" may help. In christianity, the holy spirit works in christians. Maybe see the deity work in you.

The names representing different aspects? That is my current belief as well. I just dislike the strong contrast between names.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The names representing different aspects? That is my current belief as well. I just dislike the strong contrast between names.

mhm.

The literal names or the meaning behind them?

 

[ThirtyThree]

mhm.

The literal names or the meaning behind them?

The meaning behind them. They contrast sharply, in many cases. The Hegelian dialectic, for example, between Ra, Set and Apep. Likewise a similar situation between Anu, Enki and Enlil. One remains in power because of the other two.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The meaning behind them. They contrast sharply, in many cases. The Hegelian dialectic, for example, between Ra, Set and Apep. Likewise a similar situation between Anu, Enki and Enlil. One remains in power because of the other two.

Yet they are all the same person?

Thats confusing

 

[ThirtyThree]

Yet they are all the same person?

Thats confusing

Either the same supernal or others under their command.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Thank you.

Let me summarize for you, as the texts are long-winded.

Descartes claimed that another word for God is 'Perfection'.
But perfection, being perfect, must exist, because if it did
not exist then it would not be perfect.

Like an imaginary apple is less perfect than a real apple.
The real apple is closer to perfection because it exists.

So perhaps the nay-sayer concludes that perfection does not exist.
But we all know what is meant by the word perfection, for the
simple reason that the word 'perfection' exists, and we all use it very easily.

...

Aquinas reasoned that if you had never known what a clock was,
but if you found such a device, and looked at it, and noted
how it worked; that you could easily reason that someone had
created it. When one looks at the complexity and intricate
nature of the world and of life forms, we then also must realize
even more so, that all life has a creator.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Aquinas reasoned that if you had never known what a clock was,
but if you found such a device, and looked at it, and noted
how it worked; that you could easily reason that someone had
created it. When one looks at the complexity and intricate
nature of the world and of life forms, we then also must realize
even more so, that all life has a creator.

Absolutely. Intelligent design is the only way I can explain a lot of the complexity I observe in nature daily.

 

[Willamena]

@ the O.P.
If you find propositions to be so absurd that they make you want to scream, it's because they are not your beliefs. Your beliefs are the propositions that answer yes to truth.