The American Alpha male

[Stevicus]

Honestly I think that women in America tend to emulate men.
And often tend to become even more masculine than men themselves.
Because it's all about success and control.

Well, as the song goes:


Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world

I gave up trying to understand it a long time ago, and now, my only real political views revolve around materialism - whether people have a roof over their heads, enough to eat, access to healthcare, good jobs - just the basics in life. Once those are satisfied, then my view is that people can do whatever they want (as long as they don't hurt anyone else).

I think a lot of what we're seeing now has to do with a certain predatory mentality which is more primitive and hearkens back to the days when humans lived in caves. A lot of human civilization is built on collective effort and a sense of bonding and community, whereas the "alpha male" is a primitive - something not unlike a glorified scavenger which society tends to indulge, mainly because a lot of people think it's cute.

 

[anna.]

What do you guys think of the archetype of the American Alpha male?
Like Robert Downing Junior...a man who knows what he wants?

I am noticing that in the last decade this archetype has always been vilified and ignored on mainstream media and in movies.

That didn't look like alpha male at all, just a guy who wanted sex. Nothing new under the sun.

This is American Alpha Male:

Having said that, "always" is an overstatement; there will be sometimes, occasionally, often, frequent, and usually, for starters.

My attraction is to quietly confident, someone who knows a thing but doesn't feel a need to tell the world that he knows the thing. He's just comfortable knowing he knows it, and will share it when it'll be helpful or necessary, but not out of a drive to display it.

That's just me, and I don't presume to speak for all women, or speak about all men.

 

[Estro Felino]

That didn't look like alpha male at all, just a guy who wanted sex. Nothing new under the sun.

This is American Alpha Male:

Having said that, "always" is an overstatement; there will be sometimes, occasionally, often, frequent, and usually, for starters.

My attraction is to quietly confident, someone who knows a thing but doesn't feel a need to tell the world that he knows the thing. He's just comfortable knowing he knows it, and will share it when it'll be helpful or necessary, but not out of a drive to display it.

That's just me, and I don't presume to speak for all women, or speak about all men.

The US, as culture light years away from my universe.
I was raised in a small village of Sicily, isolated and hidden by mountains. People gossiping about you 24/7, non-stop. I am not kidding.
According to this culture, alpha males were the ones who used to gain respect: those who used to catcall at beautiful girls. Catcalling was a way to show off their own virility. And women do anything to get married with alpha males.

Even if this movie was set in the fourties, the cultural and anthropological reality hasn't changed much:

 

[Koldo]

What do you guys think of the archetype of the American Alpha male?
Like Robert Downing Junior...a man who knows what he wants?

I am noticing that in the last decade this archetype has always been vilified and ignored on mainstream media and in movies.

That is not an alpha male.

This is an alpha male:

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, as the song goes:


Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world

I gave up trying to understand it a long time ago, and now, my only real political views revolve around materialism - whether people have a roof over their heads, enough to eat, access to healthcare, good jobs - just the basics in life. Once those are satisfied, then my view is that people can do whatever they want (as long as they don't hurt anyone else).

I think a lot of what we're seeing now has to do with a certain predatory mentality which is more primitive and hearkens back to the days when humans lived in caves. A lot of human civilization is built on collective effort and a sense of bonding and community, whereas the "alpha male" is a primitive - something not unlike a glorified scavenger which society tends to indulge, mainly because a lot of people think it's cute.

Have you seen the cultural background I was raised in? In post number 23?
What kind of men I had to meet?

No wonder many Italian women prefer the American male...lol

 

[Twilight Hue]

What do you guys think of the archetype of the American Alpha male?
Like Robert Downing Junior...a man who knows what he wants?

I am noticing that in the last decade this archetype has always been vilified and ignored on mainstream media and in movies.

One of my favorite archetypes....

 

[Estro Felino]

One of my favorite archetypes....

Another archetype: this
I was dumped with the same modalities...and I did yell at him: "But we have just made love!!!"
But at the end I just left ....there was no third person...LOL

 

[Zwing]

What do you guys think of the archetype of the American Alpha male?
Like Robert Downing Junior...a man who knows what he wants?

Haha…what??

That didn't look like alpha male at all…

Riigghht! I have never thought of Downey Jr., and had the term “alpha male” pop into my head. Maybe if he spent five hours a day five days a week in the gym for the next few years… what makes someone an “alpha male” is not the ability to get laid whenever he wants, it is the ability to physically dominate other male humans (indeed, among our mammalian ancestors, these were one and the same). You are confusing “alpha males” with “pickup artists”. RDJ might think he is an “alpha” until somebody like Kirill Sarychev comes into the room, then he’ll know the truth.

The alpha male is a myth.

I wouldn’t go that far…the “alpha male” is a real mammalian phenomenon, but it seems an anachronistic reality which no longer applies well in human social contexts. Our evolutionary ancestors always had “alphas”, but our social structures have evolved to an extent that the concept is disincentivized and no longer applies. Our prisons are chock full of “alpha males”, those who would dominate others by physical force, know what I mean?

 

[anna.]

Riigghht! I have never thought of Downey Jr., and had the term “alpha male” pop into my head. Maybe if he spent five hours a day five days a week in the gym for the next few years… what makes someone an “alpha male” is not the ability to get laid whenever he wants, it is the ability to physically dominate other male humans (indeed, among our mammalian ancestors, these were one and the same). You are confusing “alpha males” with “pickup artists”. RDJ might think he is an “alpha” until somebody like Kirill Sarychev comes into the room, then he’ll know the truth.

In the bolded: I think you're confusing me with the OP.

 

[Yerda]

What do you guys think of the archetype of the American Alpha male?
Like Robert Downing Junior...a man who knows what he wants?

It's better if people know what they want, I can accept that.

The people who describe themselves as alphas are embarrassing as hell. For me, putting it in a bio or proclaiming it on social media is the conversational equivalent of walking about in public with urine-soaked trousers. They also tend to rude, dismissive and ignorant. Not my ideal of a leader type by any stretch but more like a cringy spoilt child.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's better if people know what they want, I can accept that.

The people who describe themselves as alphas are embarrassing as hell. For me, putting it in a bio or proclaiming it on social media is the conversational equivalent of walking about in public with urine-soaked trousers. They also tend to rude, dismissive and ignorant. Not my ideal of a leader type by any stretch but more like a cringy spoilt child.

Like City Hunter?

 

[PureX]

It's better if people know what they want, I can accept that.

The people who describe themselves as alphas are embarrassing as hell. For me, putting it in a bio or proclaiming it on social media is the conversational equivalent of walking about in public with urine-soaked trousers. They also tend to rude, dismissive and ignorant. Not my ideal of a leader type by any stretch but more like a cringy spoilt child.

But all the girls swoon when they strut by.

 

[Zwing]

In the bolded: I think you're confusing me with the OP.

Yeah, thanks…that’s what I meant to say, I meant to reference the OP.