The Ashkenazi

[Jayhawker Soule]

Interesting article: Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Specifically ...

The finding should thoroughly debunk one of the most questionable, but still tenacious, hypotheses: that most Ashkenazi Jews can trace their roots to the mysterious Khazar Kingdom that flourished during the ninth century in the region between the Byzantine Empire and the Persian Empire, Richards and Ostrer said.

 

[Jumi]

That article would make Jews account for higher than 10% of the Roman empire's population?

 

[Lyndon]

So what you're saying is that most of the Ashkenazi had no valid claim to emigrate back to Israel, as they were not descended from historical Israeli Jews????

 

[lovemuffin]

So what you're swaying is that most of the Ashkenazi had no valid claim to emigrate back to Israel, as they were not descended from historical Israeli Jews????

I don't think you can reasonably reduce the question of the validity of the modern state of Israel to genetics.

 

[Jumi]

So what you're saying is that most of the Ashkenazi had no valid claim to emigrate back to Israel, as they were not descended from historical Israeli Jews????

The claim that was debunked (or that the article says is debunked with this) is the Askhenazis are descended from the Khazar kingdom which has been used to say exactly what you are saying now.

 

[LuisDantas]

If we are basing rights to live in certain territories on genetics, Israel is the lesser of our headaches. Think Australia, USA, Canada and Brasil for starters.

 

[rosends]

So what you're saying is that most of the Ashkenazi had no valid claim to emigrate back to Israel, as they were not descended from historical Israeli Jews????

I don't see how the content of the article supports this conclusion. Can you show me from where in the article such a logical leap is reasonable? I read things like, ""The simplest explanation was that it was mainly women who converted and they married with men who'd come from the Near East," Richards told LiveScience."

 

[Godobeyer]

Ashkenazi sound like Arabic word !

Interesting article: Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Specifically ...

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So in fact, Judiasm is about religion more than race.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Ashkenazi sound like Arabic word !

So in fact, Judiasm is about religion more than race.

Judaism is the religious context and lens of a people.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So in fact, Judiasm is about religion more than race.

It's an ethic religion, not a "racial" one. Anyone can convert to it. But when you convert, you're joining the Jewish ethic nation ("the Jewish people"). So you can be a black Jew or a Chinese Jew.

 

[Godobeyer]

Judaism is the religious context and lens of a people.

What's different between Jew and Jewish.

Is really Jew means that someone had race of Jew.
Jewish is label of someone convert?

I mean you cant call recent convert man, a Jew, you called him Jewish , is that right?

I heard that in video , a Jewish woman argue with man or woman(I don't remember)
she call him/her you are a Jewish, not Jew !

 

[Flankerl]

No.


Jay you should've known that this thread would backfire.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Jay you should've known that this thread would backfire.

Nothing backfired. The intent of the thread was to disseminate new information. I never presume an audience universally capable of understanding it.

 

[rosends]

What's different between Jew and Jewish.

While one could manufacture a distinction in the use in English, it would be arbitrary. In Hebrew there is only 1 word.

Is really Jew means that someone had race of Jew.
Jewish is label of someone convert?

Judaism is a belief system which is both genetic (in the sense that it can be passed to children) and national (in that someone can opt-in much like taking on the citizenship of another country). The rules for both the genetic aspect and the national one are codified in a set of faith-based laws which people like to call "religion."

I mean you cant call recent convert man, a Jew, you called him Jewish , is that right?

Call him both or either.

I heard that in video , a Jewish woman argue with man or woman(I don't remember)
she call him/her you are a Jewish, not Jew !

That's nice. I saw a movie in which aliens blew up the White House. Don't believe every video you stumble on.

 

[Godobeyer]

It's an ethic religion, not a "racial" one. Anyone can convert to it. But when you convert, you're joining the Jewish ethic nation ("the Jewish people"). So you can be a black Jew or a Chinese Jew.

You can also find Palestinians Jews

 

[Brickjectivity]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions#Genetic_studies
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ashkenazi
Neither of the above articles mention the genetic makeup but only the general movement of the Ashkenazi. They mostly begin in the Rhineland (now Germany), but after the crusades migrate east (about 11th century) where they live until widespread pogroms in the 17th century. Then they move West again, moving back to Germany.

The questions that arise in my mind are whether they have a lot of European blood because of the crusades and pogroms, whether they were originally a small group and whether they have had a lot of people convert. I think the article (in the OP) mentions conversions, but it doesn't tell anything about the death rate which is also significant.

 

[Tarheeler]

What's different between Jew and Jewish.

Is really Jew means that someone had race of Jew.
Jewish is label of someone convert?

I mean you cant call recent convert man, a Jew, you called him Jewish , is that right?

I heard that in video , a Jewish woman argue with man or woman(I don't remember)
she call him/her you are a Jewish, not Jew !

I am a convert to Judaism.
I am both a Jew and Jewish.



But you've had this explained to you many, many times on this forum.

 

[Godobeyer]

I am a convert to Judaism.
I am both a Jew and Jewish.



But you've had this explained to you many, many times on this forum.

Sorry ,for different between Jew and Jewish , I don't recall.

 

[LuisDantas]

Sorry ,for different between Jew and Jewish , I don't recall.

If I am not mistaken, the only real difference is that a Jew is a person, and therefore the word "Jew" is a noum, while "Jewish" is an adjective (e.g., "Jewish People", "Jewish beliefs", and so on).

If you want to be very specific, there is a strong tradition that Jewish People are supposed to care for each other regardless of self-identification with Judaism. Someone who was born or raised in a Jewish home might at least arguably decide that he does not consider himself a Jew any longer, and, well, the Jewish community might decide that he is nonetheless a Jew. Mostly for purposes of bonding and mutual responsibility, as I understand it.

As you can imagine, that is a bit controversial.

So someone could technically be a non-Jewish Jew due to being considered a part of the Jewish community despite no longer embracing the Jewish religion (Judaism).

Take what I am saying with a grain of salt. While honest, this reading of mine is by no means authorized and more than likely to be contested to some degree.