The Assessing Russian Influence Report- Fact or Fiction?

[habiru]

Nope, even Israel wanted Hillary. Learn to accept facts. Feel free to name a single ally that wanted Trump

That is why you have to stop listening to those Fake news report, and start listening to Alex Jones and the rest of the members of INFOWARS.


Yet, a recent poll found Trump was by far Israel’s favorite GOP candidate, and the second-most popular overall. A plurality even thought he would be best at “representing Israel’s interests,” better than Hillary Clinton, with her decades of advocacy at the highest levels of government. Why Israel Loves Donald Trump

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[GoodbyeDave]

British intelligence says that the Russians were involved and that's good enough for me.

Did Britain want Hillary Clinton to win? All that matters to us is the attitude of the POTUS to Britain. Friends have been Republicans like Regan and Democrats like Bill Clinton; untrustworthy "allies" have also been both, like FDR and Eisenhower. I think the people who voted for The Donald are either demented or trash, but all that matters to me is whether we can deal with him.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the people who voted for The Donald are either demented or trash....

This perfectly illustrates how the illiberal liberal was Hillary's base.
Intolerance, war lust, oppressive big government....oh, how the
word "liberal" has changed since Jefferson's day.

Trump is one sorry candidate, & only in comparison
to Hillary could such a candidate win the election.
Shame on Democrats for so crookedly anointing her.

 

[habiru]

British intelligence says that the Russians were involved and that's good enough for me.

Did Britain want Hillary Clinton to win? All that matters to us is the attitude of the POTUS to Britain. Friends have been Republicans like Regan and Democrats like Bill Clinton; untrustworthy "allies" have also been both, like FDR and Eisenhower. I think the people who voted for The Donald are either demented or trash, but all that matters to me is whether we can deal with him.

Well , look at the tactics that Hillary had used to get her supporters out and vote for her. Everyone knows that they doesn't takes bath and they are scared to come out of the house for that reason.

 

[Parchment]

British intelligence says that the Russians were involved and that's good enough for me.

The Russians were also blamed for the outcome of Brexit and Angela Merkel is already seemingly pre-blaming Russia for her upcoming loss in Germany instead of her own policy failures. I'm seeing a pattern here, any free and fair election outcome that doesn't go along with what some people might want must have been influenced by some outside enemy force! I don't live in the U.K. but I have to ask, is there some WWIII hysteria going on, are people talking about it?

 

[Revoltingest]

Well , look at the tactics that Hillary had used to get her supporters out and vote for her. Everyone knows that they doesn't takes bath and they are scared to come out of the house for that reason.

And don't forget Madonna's promise of oral pleasure for a Hillary vote.
Ew.

 

[suncowiam]

So trumps camp is admitting that Russia is involved after the briefings.

Trump accepts U.S. intelligence on Russia hacking, top aide says

Alright, what else is there left to debate?

Did the hacking and Russia's alleged state driven proganda and fake news affect the election. I don't know. Could it have? Yes. Trump didnt exactly win in a land slide to silence any and all doubts. Everyone on both sides have to keep an open mind. What we should be more cautious of is a third entity trying to control US affairs regardless of which internal policies it favors.

I'm interested now to see what Trump will do in response as president.

 

[habiru]

So trumps camp is admitting that Russia is involved after the briefings.

Trump accepts U.S. intelligence on Russia hacking, top aide says

Alright, what else is there left to debate?

Did the hacking and Russia's alleged state driven proganda and fake news affect the election. I don't know. Could it have? Yes. Trump didnt exactly win in a land slide to silence any and all doubts. Everyone on both sides have to keep an open mind. What we should be more cautious of is a third entity trying to control US affairs regardless of which internal policies it favors.

I'm interested now to see what Trump will do in response as president.

He is trying to get them to leave him alone. He has to much of other things to do rather than focusing on them trying to set him up as a Russian agent. I can betcha that he does nothing to Russia, because he knows the truth. They can falsify anything, even Obama's birth-certificate..

 

[suncowiam]

He is trying to get them to leave him alone. He has to much of other things to do rather than focusing on them trying to set him up as a Russian agent. I can betcha that he does nothing to Russia, because he knows the truth. They can falsify anything, even Obama's birth-certificate..

Evasion is probably not a good strategy at this point.

 

[habiru]

Evasion is probably not a good strategy at this point.

They has been trying to keep him from focusing on how he going to drain the swamp. They has gave Hillary plenty of time to straightened her business before she handover her email server. But with President Trump, they had kept on pushing their chest against his to see what he is going to do. But it is best to handle it when he get into office. But which they are trying to keep him away. And so how they waited for Hillary, so they will have to wait for President Trump true response. They need to back off.

 

[habiru]

beside, he did not said that the Russian president was behind the hack.

Reince Priebus said Trump believed Russia was behind the intrusions into the Democratic Party organizations, although Priebus did not clarify whether the president-elect agreed that the hacks were directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"He accepts the fact that this particular case was entities in Russia, so that's not the issue," Priebus said on "Fox News Sunday." Trump acknowledges Russia role in U.S. election hacking: aide

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[Parchment]

So trumps camp is admitting that Russia is involved after the briefings.
Trump accepts U.S. intelligence on Russia hacking, top aide says
Alright, what else is there left to debate?

Of course he accepted the report, he's the incoming President and it would be a dangerous message of the leader of any country if the leader of it seemingly did not trust the intelligence communities that serve it. My skepticism never revolved around whether Trump accepted anything or not, it could have just as well been Hillary so that is not what I am debating or questioning. My skepticism is due to my observations domestically and abroad within the EU that Russia is being blamed for quite a few things that they most likely had nothing to do with and the respective countries own propaganda supporting the claims some of which have been shown as false or dubious at best for example:

Russia has been blamed for the outcome of the Brexit vote
Russia has been blamed for the rise of the right within the EU and funding the FN in France
Angela Merkel is seemingly pre-blaming Russian hacking and influence for her loss in the upcoming German elections

Russia seems an all too convenient fall guy and the idea behind their power and influence a huge conspiracy theory that would just as well be the stereotype James Bond Villian. "Russian evil genius seeks to undermine and manipulate the political process of the United States and Europe to weaken it so he can expand his empire" How does he do this? He uses paid agents to type on Internet forums and news sites to manipulate votes in a direction he see's favourable. ridiculous at best. Quite honestly I think Syria may have been the head on the boil of all this anti-Russian sentiment with the West's funding of so called moderate rebels which seem no better than ISIS in their methods but that would be fodder for another thread.

 

[suncowiam]

Of course he accepted the report, he's the incoming President and it would be a dangerous message of the leader of any country if the leader of it seemingly did not trust the intelligence communities that serve it. My skepticism never revolved around whether Trump accepted anything or not, it could have just as well been Hillary so that is not what I am debating or questioning. My skepticism is due to my observations domestically and abroad within the EU that Russia is being blamed for quite a few things that they most likely had nothing to do with and the respective countries own propaganda supporting the claims some of which have been shown as false or dubious at best for example:

Russia has been blamed for the outcome of the Brexit vote
Russia has been blamed for the rise of the right within the EU and funding the FN in France
Angela Merkel is seemingly pre-blaming Russian hacking and influence for her loss in the upcoming German elections

Russia seems an all too convenient fall guy and the idea behind their power and influence a huge conspiracy theory that would just as well be the stereotype James Bond Villian. "Russian evil genius seeks to undermine and manipulate the political process of the United States and Europe to weaken it so he can expand his empire" How does he do this? He uses paid agents to type on Internet forums and news sites to manipulate votes in a direction he see's favourable. ridiculous at best. Quite honestly I think Syria may have been the head on the boil of all this anti-Russian sentiment with the West's funding of so called moderate rebels which seem no better than ISIS in their methods but that would be fodder for another thread.

I think you're missing the point. Whether Russia actually influenced any independent processes is not in question. It is that they breached US security for the purposes of influencing the process. Do you see a difference?

 

[Revoltingest]

I think you're missing the point. Whether Russia actually influenced any independent processes is not in question. It is that they breached US security for the purposes of influencing the process. Do you see a difference?

It isn't US gov security...just the DNC & some Democrats.

 

[suncowiam]

It isn't US gov security...just the DNC & some Democrats.

You dont consider DNC part of the US? If the GOP was hacked, then it's OK to?

Let's stop making this about bipartisan politics...

 

[Revoltingest]

You consider DNC part of the US? If the GOP was hacked, then it's OK to?

Let's stop making this about bipartisan politics...

I only say that Russians hacking US gov computers is disturbing in the way that hacking
DNC or RNC computers is meh. If they exposed RNC corruption, I'd be happy with that too.
All pols should be afraid of their misdeeds being exposed....to encourage better behavior.

 

[suncowiam]

I only say that Russians hacking US gov computers is disturbing in the way that hacking
DNC or RNC computers is meh. If the exposed RNC corruption, I'd be happy with that too.
All pols should be afraid of their misdeeds being exposed....to encourage better behavior.

I'm fine with exposing of corruption but like it or not, individuals and organizations have privacy rights. Thats why we have processes to legally obtain information.

But again, I think we're still missing the point that Russia allegedly hacked "a part" of the US government in the goal of influencing it to align with their agenda. We had this discussion before and I hope we don't repeat ourselves too much.

I'm in the mindset that this is wrong and we should do what we can to prevent this from happening in the future. Even by the smallest of chances I want to be sure that we live by our own goals and not by a third entity that has no obligations to ensure the betterment of our lives.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm fine with exposing of corruption but like it or not, individuals and organizations have privacy rights. Thats why we have processes to legally obtain information.

But again, I think we're still missing the point that Russia allegedly hacked "a part" of the US government in the goal of influencing it to align with their agenda. We had this discussion before and I hope we don't repeat ourselves too much.

I'm in the mindset that this is wrong and we should do what we can to prevent this from happening in the future. Even by the smallest of chances I want to be sure that we live by our own goals and not by a third entity that has no obligations to ensure betterment of lives.

I've nothing to add....except that I'm glad Hilda lost.
Too bad Donald won though.

 

[suncowiam]

I've nothing to add....except that I'm glad Hilda lost.
Too bad Donald won though.

Honestly, I've moved on a while ago. Hillary and the DNC should take all the blame for their loss. The FBI was doing their job when they restarted the investigation due to probable cause. This is simply the butterfly effect due to Clintons mismanagement of her email server.

My beef is with Republicans believing they have a moral high ground because their opponents had information released on them. The only way anyone can convince me that Republicans were morally better is if all information were released on both sides so I can make an unbiased decision.

 

[Revoltingest]

Honestly, I've moved on a while ago. Hillary and the DNC should take all the blame for their loss. The FBI was doing their job when they restarted the investigation due to probable cause. This is simply the butterfly effect due to Clintons mismanagement of her email server.

My beef is with Republicans believing they have a moral high ground because their opponents had information released on them. The only way anyone can convince me that Republicans were morally better is if all information were released on both sides so I can make an unbiased decision.

Now that you mention it, I haven't noticed the Pubs claiming the moral high ground.
They seem to be relatively silent about this. They should be.