The Atheist Contradiction and Reasoning

[McBell]

Response: That does not answer the opening post.

I understand.
You do not want to get into where Allah came from.

Guess the Koran does not cover that.

 

[Magic Man]

Response: That has no relevance to the question.

Translation: I don't have a response to that, so I'll just ignore it and claim it's irrelevant.

 

[McBell]

Response: That does not answer the opening post.

There is a statement. Where is the proof?

 

[tumbleweed41]

It is common sense, that something of intelligence, has to be created by intelligence. So when atheist claim that there is no proof of the universe and life itself being created by one of intelligence, the logic is flawed. One with unintelligence, can not create intelligence, because by definition, thery're not intelligent.

1. Man is intelligent.
2. Creation of intelligence demands an intelligent Creator.
3. God is intelligent.
4. Therefore, God Created man.

1. God is intelligent.
2. Creation of intelligence demands an intelligent Creator.
3. God2 is intelligent.
4. Therefore, God2 Created God.

1. God2 is intelligent.
2. Creation of intelligence demands an intelligent Creator.
3. God3 is intelligent.
4. Therefore, God3 Created God2.

1. God3 is intelligent.
2. Creation of intelligence demands an intelligent Creator.
3. God4 is intelligent.
4. Therefore, God4 Created God5.

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera......

: hamster :then who/what created god?: hamster :

So who created God?

I mean, you yourself say "that something of intelligence, has to be created by intelligence" so what is that something that created Allah?
Or are you going to claim that Allah was not created?
If Allah was not created, does that mean by default he is not intelligent?

Response: That has no relevance to the question.

Response: That does not answer the opening post.

Well Fatihah, seems like your "Logic" has failed miserably. Not to mention you seem to have forgotten what you said in your opening post.

...Is it not more logical, that something made of intelligence can only be created by intelligence? Thus the intelligence and conformity in the creation of the universe, life itself, and all that exists, had to be created by intelligent design?

 

[Wotan]

Response: To the contrary, as demonstrated throughout the thread, the logic of atheist has no rational reasoning behind. It is common sense, that something of intelligence, has to be created by intelligence. So when atheist claim that there is no proof of the universe and life itself being created by one of intelligence, the logic is flawed. One with unintelligence, can not create intelligence, because by definition, thery're not intelligent.

Even granting that arguendo you STILL have NO evidence for this god thingy of yours - or anybody else's invisible fairy god father.

Explain WHY a benevolent and involved intelligence follows from the assumption of a designer.

 

[alyxandres]

Anyone intelligent enough who reads this thread is going to understand what Fatihah doesn't. If he hasn't gotten it by now I doubt he ever will. Don't feed the troll.

Peace,

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Response: Thus the question still remains, how can a pattern which repeats itself be designed without intelligence?

You're begging the question. "Design" implies intelligence. Patterns can be created without intelligence.

 

[Ouabache]

All of this is useless because the OP never defined what he means by "emotions". How do you know what emotions are? How can you tell what emotion someone else is experiencing? Can you see these emotions in other people and yourself?

 

[Ouabache]

Also, the OP uses way too much Special Pleading, Bald Assertions, and Begging the Question.

 

[nrg]

So running from the question with answers like, "there is no explanation" is illogical, and only supports the fact that atheist logic is flawed.

First, I didn't say "there is no explanation", just that we don't know wich explanation makes the most sense (an omnimax entity, wich is there is absolutely no evidence for, is not the answer that makes more sense than any other answer), and second, admitting that is alot more logical than just randomly chosing an answer because you feel like that's the one that's true. Logic just doesn't work that way, if it would then everyone could make a statement about anything, and everyone would be right, and then no one is right. You really don't understand what I'm talking about when I'm saying that you're guilty of "begging the question", right?

 

[Autodidact]

Response: None to which answers the questioj. The question is can you create a pattern which repeats itself without using your intelligence. If so, how.

Actually, I was responding to this question:

How can a system which repeats itself be developed without intelligence?

There you see how: by a natural repetition of the seasons, the right materials, and a LOT of time.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: Thus the question still remains, how can a pattern which repeats itself be designed without intelligence?

In the case of varves, by dust accumulating on the surface of a still lake, precipitating to the bottom, and eventually accreting into sedimentary rock.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: In other words, you have no answer. Common sense can easily be explained. And even even when there is no answer, there's an explanation behind why there is no answer You couldn't even provide that. So running from the question with answers like, "there is no explanation" is illogical, and only supports the fact that atheist logic is flawed.

Read my sig.

At one time we didn't know what made lightning, so we attributed it to God's anger. Now we know it's a form of electricity. At one time, we didn't know what made disease, so we attributed it to demons. Now we have medicine. Science continues to advance. Your argument is called "God of the Gaps," and it is very bad theology. Why? Because every time science figures another thing out, your God gets smaller and smaller.

Better to go for a God who set the whole shebang in motion, then a God who can only be found in whatever we haven't figured out yet. Cuz, y'know, we probably will figure it out, and then where will your God be?

 

[Autodidact]

Response: To the contrary, as demonstrated throughout the thread, the logic of atheist has no rational reasoning behind. It is common sense, that something of intelligence, has to be created by intelligence. [/qutoe] Nope. This is a bald assertion, based on nothing. There is no common sense or scientific rule that things have to have been made by a like thing. For the want of a horseshoe nail, a war was lost.

So when atheist claim that there is no proof of the universe and life itself being created by one of intelligence, the logic is flawed. One with unintelligence, can not create intelligence, because by definition, thery're not intelligent.

You haven't moved off square one, which is to show that universe was created at all. Let me know if you ever establish that. Thanks. A PM will be fine.

 

[Apollonius Zagreus]

At one time we didn't know what made lightning, so we attributed it to God's anger.

That would be Zeus.

At one time, we didn't know what made disease, so we attributed it to demons.

That would be Artemis, the goddess of disease and sudden death.

 

[Fatihah]

Response: To the contrary, as demonstrated throughout the thread, the logic of atheist has no rational reasoning behind. It is common sense, that something of intelligence, has to be created by intelligence. [/qutoe] Nope. This is a bald assertion, based on nothing. There is no common sense or scientific rule that things have to have been made by a like thing. For the want of a horseshoe nail, a war was lost. You haven't moved off square one, which is to show that universe was created at all. Let me know if you ever establish that. Thanks. A PM will be fine.

Response: And once again, you dodge the question. Again, the question is, can you create a pattern which repeats itself without using your intelligence? If so, how.

 

[Magic Man]

Response: And once again, you dodge the question. Again, the question is, can you create a pattern which repeats itself without using your intelligence? If so, how.

A human can't, but such a thing can and has been created. You're begging the question. If a human creates something, it is created by intelligence. However, a pattern which repeats itself can be created without intelligence. Just look at DNA.

 

[Fatihah]

A human can't, but such a thing can and has been created. You're begging the question. If a human creates something, it is created by intelligence. However, a pattern which repeats itself can be created without intelligence. Just look at DNA.

Response: Then if a human can't, then you have no logical reasoning in assuming that a pattern which repeats itself can be created without intelligence. If you can not design a pattern which repeats itself without using your intelligence, then what makes you think that something can? Saying DNA is not rational. Every human is not intelligent. Every human who is intelligent does not share the same intelligence. Thus anyone with intelligence can see that it takes intelligence to create intelligence. A mentally retarded person will not be able to create anything with intelligence. You've never heard of any great design created by one of mental retardation. Why? Because there intellect is not intelligent enough. It's when atheist deny such commom sense as this that makes there arguments very flawed.

 

[Wotan]

There's the statement. Where's the proof?!

 

[Fatihah]

There's the statement. Where's the proof?!

Response: In the statement.