rrobs
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I'm off topic???? That's hilarious!That issue is totally off-topic for this thread and will be of little interest to most contributors, I should have thought.
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I'm off topic???? That's hilarious!That issue is totally off-topic for this thread and will be of little interest to most contributors, I should have thought.
You think my written evidence is sketchy. I think your written evidence is sketchy. We're at a stalemate.Written evidence can be sketchy, especially if no sources are cited or no evidence tendered. Anyone can write fake news, or alter a text to suit his predilections.
We have thousands of ancient, historical and religious texts, each telling a different story. How are we to evaluate them?
We have millions of scientific texts, but these cite evidence; they invite peers to criticize them and try to reproduce the results.
Those that fail are set aside. Those that stand are built upon, thus, unlike religious doctrines, basic scientific facts are universally accepted, with new facts continuously being added from the arguments at the peripheries.
But why would we pay any more attention to an unevidenced scripture than we would to the historical accounts in Lord of the Rings?
The question of what supposedly happens to souls after death has zero to do with the believability of evolution.I'm off topic???? That's hilarious!
Only if we're not asked to support our conclusions.You think my written evidence is sketchy. I think your written evidence is sketchy. We're at a stalemate.
You are at a stalemate in your answers. Valjean gave a clear answer. Why you do not understand it is clearly your problem. It was written that Dagda held the sun still for 9 months so that his child with the goddess Boann could be born in Newgrange before anyone was aware that she had a child. For everyone else only one day had passed. With your logic this is as real as any science fact. As a symbolic story it actually a has very interesting meaning of male and female where Newgrange represents the womb and the sun enters at the birth of a new year. As a fact about the history of the earth it has no meaning. The same is true of other religions. The stories of the bible are only meaningful symbolically. They are meaningless or misleading when interpreted as facts about our world.You think my written evidence is sketchy. I think your written evidence is sketchy. We're at a stalemate.
You absolutely did ask me about the scriptures.
Interesting conclusion. Unfounded, but interesting.
Look in the mirror for further understanding.
Whatever you think is fine with me.
No. There is no "history" before 4000 years ago. despite the fact writing (a means to record history) was invented 5000 years ago there is no history until 4000 years ago.
Calling people before 4000 years ago superstitious sun addled bumpkins is a belief based on no evidence at all and contradicted by real evidence.
You BELIEVE we are the crown of creation and the crown was invented by science.
...Than what? ..,.Reading tea leaves?
If we're so damn smart and science is so omniscient
than why is life expectancy now decreasing exactly as I predicted 15 years ago?
Look and See Science and a failed educational system
Modern science is afraid to figure out how they built the great pyramids and couldn't duplicate it in a century.
Irrelevant. Logic is logic.
"Known" is very ephemeral. In the 1860's surgeons all knew washing their hands was a waste of time as their patients were dying of disease or blood loss. Instead they died of infection.
Incidentally ancient science was aware of germs without ever observing one directly.
Evolution is change in individuals
And in th process, exposed your ignorance again.and I simply cited groups of individuals which have "evolved" over 40,000 years.
Death, birth, marriage is sudden, therefore, ALL biology is "sudden."Last time!
There are countless examples of sudden change from death to birth or even marriage.
Then why can you never provide one?There are countless examples.
Then why can you never provide one?There are also countless examples of sudden changes in population and group behavior but I don't believe in "groups" and "species' or even "civilizations".
No documentation for this "single generation change"? What a shocker.One of the best examples of sudden change in species caused by behavior is a very modern one; 'tame minks'. Minks are hard to raise because they are mean. Someone selected sedate and friendly minks and got a new species in a single generation; SUDDEN! But their fur is no good so they won't go into production probably (at least not soon).
And yet...No matter how many times this is seen or recorded in history biologists can't see it because they already have the answers and can't imagine that nature would ever select for BEHAVIOR. But it does.
Oh, yeah - I suggest, for a good laugh, checking out the Graham Hancock forums and looking up the world's greatest non-recognized, unpublished expert on all things pyramid. Even folks on Hancock's site find a certain someone... absurd...You make no sense.
There's more the history then the ramblings of iron age scribes and whatnot.
The pyramids are more then 4000 years old.
What we found in there, clearly shows people were superstitious.
That alone, which is not the only evidence obviously - not even remotely - already disproves your claim.
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Conspiracy theory in 3..2..1..?
Evolution is change in populations.
Individuals don't evolve. Populations do.
And in the process, exposed your ignorance again.
As you do not understand science of any sort, and especially, as far as I can tell, biology, your utterings on the subject are laughable at the very best. The ravings of a lunatic, at worst.Real biology and real physics are "totally exactly the same and have the exact same issues" but far more of biology, and especially "evolution", are just Look and See Science.
You are an armchair Dunning-Krugerite on all topics.I was and am a generalist for many years.
I am what some would call a 'nexialist" except my specific knowledge of every branch of science (other than "egyptology") is shallow.
As a nexialist I just stumbled on the answer of how the great pyramids were built (stones were pulled up one step at a time)
and in so doing happened to discover ancient science that was based on Ancient Language and is virtually identical to the means that animals survive and invent.
I am king of no science whatsoever.
No you aren't. You cannot even spell the words you pretend to understand half the time.I am in the unique position of understanding two different complex metaphysics.
Nobody has ever been in this position before me.
Who cares?I have been attending to "evolution" since the mid-'50's. I never believed in evolution and still don't.
So you know so little about evolution that you do not understand that this is what evolution posits?I could never subscribe to any theory that suggests humans are different in any substantial way from other animals
or that consciousness isn't far more important to evolution than intelligence, strength, stamina, or any nonsense that has been proposed as the root of evolution in species.
You can't imagine my surprise when I found ancient scientists were on the same page I am.
TTBOMK all experiment supports our version of "change in species".
So in your fantasies, there wasn't even 'look and see science', just a bunch of hokey made up crap - just like what you have,Ancient science had no experiment but relied on the logic of reality as expressed in a metaphysical language.
Physics experiments have been done in the lab.
NO experiment showing large changes in complex species have been done in the lab.
No they haven't.But observation and interpretation of selection of behavior which result in large changes have been going on for more than 10,000 years.
The problem is in interpretation even more than lack of experiment. The data might literally bite us in the nose but we can't see it. I've shown repeatedly in this very thread and you couldn't find it. I could put it in this post and explain it and you still can't see it.
I expect to see the ramblings of crazy people on creation/evolution forums.Everybody sees only what they expect so this sentence won't even register.
Science is one thing. Education systems are a completely different beast. That's more about politics then anything else.
No, it wasn't. They didn't know about microrganisms.
Evolution is change in populations.
At best, you were thinking of the Fox breeding experiments of Belyaev, which took more than a DOZEN generations for less than 20% of foxes to demonstrate the desired characteristics. NOT a single "SUDDEN" one.
You are an armchair Dunning-Krugerite on all topics.
Clearly (though it seems actual Egyptologists have never heard your gibberish) - yet you feel that you can make things up and pontificate on things like neuroscience and evolution, despite having had your laughable errors and nonsense refuted over and over, with actual documentation.
So now it is foxes, and you are STILL misrepresenting it.They started with a tiny sample size of foxes.
That is one way. A bottleneck - say, remember when you pretended to understand bottlenecks? That was hilarious. Odd - I see that you most recently ranted about bottlenecks just a week ago - can you never learn? About anything?I am talking about millions of animals being eradicated and a handful of survivors. This is when change in species occurs.
If you start with a few dozen animals then the odd genes are poorly represented. Most behavior is the result of all genes working in tandem and driven by consciousness.
No, I am seeing a man losing touch with reality.Just as an entire organism works in tandem at all times this is orchestrated by genes and events in the environment. Your ENTIRE way of understanding this reality with taxonomies and reductionism is hiding this reality from you. You are seeing not the reality but your beliefs.
No, it is about your empty assertions, your inability to provide the evidence you claim to have, your demonstrated ignorance on pretty much everything you claim to be expert on, your inability to admit your many egregious errors, etc.This is not about ME or my ASSERTIONS. This is about the different perspectives we use to view the totality of the evidence and logic.