The Bhagavad-gita Any Questions Feel Free To Ask......

[Moses the God Archetype*]

:shout Me being hindu if you have any questions in regards to the bhagavad-gita or the uddhava-gita feel free to ask.....:149:

 

[Valjean]

Which English translation do you prefer?

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Which English translation do you prefer?

The bhagavad-gita as it is by guru sri prabhupada 1971 edition.:bounce

 

[Valjean]

I always found Sri Prabhupada's translation to be somewhat odd. It's written entirely from a bhakti viewpoint and is quite different from other translations.
I do like the format, but have you noticed that the translation often seems somewhat at odds with the transliteration? And when he gets to the purport -- I don't know were he comes up with some of that stuff.

 

[Ardent Listener]

Would you explain or discuss Chapter 3, verse 19.

Therefore, always conscientiously perform good material actions (karyam) and spiritual actions (karman) without attachment. By doing all actions without attachment, one attains the highest.

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Would you explain or discuss Chapter 3, verse 19.

Therefore, always conscientiously perform good material actions (karyam) and spiritual actions (karman) without attachment. By doing all actions without attachment, one attains the highest.

:149: What that basically means is that in what ever you do you must maintain a third persons perpective, within that action being performed, as the old saying goes: i'm within this physical world but not apart of it, you should never let things get to you to the point were you cannot function properly, observe things good and bad and let them take there natural course if you must be involved in a sertain action allways keep the self at a distance within you, it helps by saying the mantras while performing such actions, dwell on the godhead and you'll never fail, i hope this anwsers your question beloved.

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

I always found Sri Prabhupada's translation to be somewhat odd. It's written entirely from a bhakti viewpoint and is quite different from other translations.
I do like the format, but have you noticed that the translation often seems somewhat at odds with the transliteration? And when he gets to the purport -- I don't know were he comes up with some of that stuff.

:149: Being that bhakti is the highist form of yoga and trancends the other aspects of yoga i understand his purport perfectly, as far as the translation being at odds with the transliteration i don't really see that within the book as being a major stumbling block, his views which he did project onto his writtings in that edition are quite original this is true, but his message was divine so i can see past what some may consider hiccups in his discussions within the gita.

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Drat. Mine is the '72 edition. hehe.

Ok Mosey, got one for you. The most pivotal aspect of Vaisnava thought for this lump of flesh was the description of brahmajyoti. Care to take the ball and run with it?
Explain to our viewers at home what brahmajyoti is and why it is significant.

:jam:

Okay, very well beloved i shall give a brief discourse on brahmajyoti first its definition: It is the great and blinding light of the spirtual world goloka, or its rays should i say of sri bhagavan krsna himself(his aura) its what the jnana-yogis worship as the impersonal brahman, i myself prefer bhakti-yoga (to know the supreme personality himself which prevades all) now it is significant in a sense that you understand his holy nature thru jnana-yoga(knowlegde)of the impersonal brahman.......Bhagavad-gita chapter fourteen krsna says: for i am the basis of brahman, the immortal, the imperishable, ever-lasting dharma, and absolute bliss. Which basically means to know him the imperishable, is to know brahmajyoti, i hope this anwsers you question ymirGF or anyone else on this thread.

 

[Valjean]

:149: Being that bhakti is the highist form of yoga and trancends the other aspects of yoga i understand his purport perfectly, as far as the translation being at odds with the transliteration i don't really see that within the book as being a major stumbling block, his views which he did project onto his writtings in that edition are quite original this is true, but his message was divine so i can see past what some may consider hiccups in his discussions within the gita.

I'm not sure I'd claim any single type of yoga to be "the highest form." Doesn't he Gita speak of multiple paths to the divine for people of different temperaments?

I'm glad you understand his purport so well. Personally, I don't see where he comes up with some of that stuff. It certainly doesn't seem to be in the text being discussed.
His conclusions often have no discernible relation to the actual words of the passage in question.

 

[anders]

I always found Sri Prabhupada's translation to be somewhat odd. It's written entirely from a bhakti viewpoint and is quite different from other translations.
I do like the format, but have you noticed that the translation often seems somewhat at odds with the transliteration? And when he gets to the purport -- I don't know were he comes up with some of that stuff.

The mixing of caste leads to hell [...] So too their ancestors fall down [to hell], cheated of their offerings of food and drink.

When there is an increase of unwanted population [...] there is no offering of food and water to the ancestors.

I've checked four more translations: two from Germany, one from Finland and one very recent from Sweden. They all agree with Zaehner that the BhG condemns caste mixing. Why doesn't His Divine Grace etc. dare to admit this? In the Purports for I:40 and I:41, there are only general references to faithfulness and chastity vs. adultery.

 

[Ardent Listener]

:149: What that basically means is that in what ever you do you must maintain a third persons perpective, within that action being performed, as the old saying goes: i'm within this physical world but not apart of it, you should never let things get to you to the point were you cannot function properly, observe things good and bad and let them take there natural course if you must be involved in a sertain action allways keep the self at a distance within you, it helps by saying the mantras while performing such actions, dwell on the godhead and you'll never fail, i hope this anwsers your question beloved.

It not only answered my question, it was just what I needed to hear at this point in my life.:bow: Thank you.

 

[Jyothi]

Why doesn't His Divine Grace etc. dare to admit this? In the Purports for I:40 and I:41, there are only general references to faithfulness and chastity vs. adultery.

How could any of us tell!!!!

When you choose to accept some particular person's interpretations on anything, you got to accept the whole package, as interpretations are not much more than opinions.

so Anders what i do usually is to read texts on my own and form my own opinions.

 

[Jyothi]

it is like an almost pregnant lady

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

It not only answered my question, it was just what I needed to hear at this point in my life.:bow: Thank you.

You are welcome beloved, if i can help someone then my mission is worth wild.:hug:

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

I'm not sure I'd claim any single type of yoga to be "the highest form." Doesn't he Gita speak of multiple paths to the divine for people of different temperaments?

I'm glad you understand his purport so well. Personally, I don't see where he comes up with some of that stuff. It certainly doesn't seem to be in the text being discussed.
His conclusions often have no discernible relation to the actual words of the passage in question.

Bhagavad-gita chapter twelve text 5-7 the lord of sri states: Those whose minds are attached to the unmanifest(impersonal brahman)undergo excessive tribulation, for the path that leads to the unmanifest is only attained with great difficulty by embodied beings.But o seynori ,i swifty deliver those whose consciousness is absorbed in me(bhakti-yoga) who renounce all actions in service to me, who regard me as the supreme, and who worship and meditate on me in undistracted yoga.I lift them from the ocean of birth and death.:hug: So seyorni i as well as bhagavan himself feels that the quickist way to abtain enlightinment is thru bhakti-yoga but it is only my opinion as well as vaasudeva's.:bounce

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

:149: Yes jyothi this is my point, you have to take whats being giving and form your own opinions thats what i do with the help of my beloved guru, so.......anders you need not be so negative about what you read, for each translation provides added clarity for ones understanding of the gita.

 

[Fallen Goddess]

Moses,

I would like you to explain Chapter 2.1 please.

The Blessed Lord Said:

Although you mean well, Arjuna, your sorrow is sheer delusion.
Wise men do not grieve for the dead or for the living.

Are we to take this to mean that we should not cry if someone we love dies?

 

[Darkdale]

Moses,

I would like you to explain Chapter 2.1 please.

The Blessed Lord Said:

Although you mean well, Arjuna, your sorrow is sheer delusion.
Wise men do not grieve for the dead or for the living.

Are we to take this to mean that we should not cry if someone we love dies?

Personally I think this is a matter of perspective - it's Serenity. I think taking it to be a universal statement would detract from the merits of its generality.

 

[Jyothi]

the sorrow is delusion, as all that you see is a sheer manifestation of brahman. each individual is just the atman, a little piece of the brahman, or a subset, if you like set theory. the atma does not die, nor is it born. without the atman, the body is just a pile of flesh and bones, which in turn are just constructed out of the pancha bhootas. the fundamental truth is that all of us are one with the brahman and are complete when we see the truth. thus no need to cry when a loved one dies.

 

[Valjean]

Perhaps the wise realize that everything, in essence, is eternal; that from a universal perspective death is a minor phase-shift and this nothing to get all worked up about.

If you read some of the following verses the meaning becomes clearer:
(the original quotation is vs. 11, btw, not vs. 1)

12: "There was never a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor any of these kings. Nor is there any future in which we shall cease to be."
13: "Just as the dweller in this body passes through childhood, youth and old age, so at death he merely passes into another kind of body. The wise are not deceived by that."
16: "That which is non-existent can never come into being, and that which is can never cease to be."....
17: "The Reality which pervades the universe is indestructible. No-one has power to change the changeless."....