The Bhagavad-gita Any Questions Feel Free To Ask......

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Moses,

I would like you to explain Chapter 2.1 please.

The Blessed Lord Said:

Although you mean well, Arjuna, your sorrow is sheer delusion.
Wise men do not grieve for the dead or for the living.

Are we to take this to mean that we should not cry if someone we love dies?

:149: No not at all fallen Goddess, what it means is that we should not morn excessively at there death but remain detached ever emersed in the self, now understand beloved that when someone dies they merely change bodies and move on to there next cycle of life, so there essense exist just not in the form your used to seeing, so do not lament beloved..............know that this the great illusion is mahamaya!, if you must weep let the tears flow it is only natural, but keep that understanding as i've mention, and the grief won't last long beloved.:hug:

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

:149: Yes all this is true.......to know that the atman by nature is indestructible should give some solace to us, for we all were here before in some form or way in order to right wrongs we may have done in a past life, or to suffer the karmic results from such actions, either way we exist.........so the sorrow is caused by the great illusion of mahamaya to know that, is half the battle won.

 

[Darkdale]

the sorrow is delusion, as all that you see is a sheer manifestation of brahman. each individual is just the atman, a little piece of the brahman, or a subset, if you like set theory. the atma does not die, nor is it born. without the atman, the body is just a pile of flesh and bones, which in turn are just constructed out of the pancha bhootas. the fundamental truth is that all of us are one with the brahman and are complete when we see the truth. thus no need to cry when a loved one dies.

But certainly the manifestations of emotions honor our own individual compassion for each other, and that of Brahman's compassion for its parts. It's the perspective that must be understood – but to deny people the right to grieve for their dead as a natural aspect of human life and love would seem, um... unwise.

 

[Jyothi]

But certainly the manifestations of emotions honor our own individual compassion for each other, and that of Brahman's compassion for its parts. It's the perspective that must be understood – but to deny people the right to grieve for their dead as a natural aspect of human life and love would seem, um... unwise.

absolutely darkdale - however this is the conundrum between the ideal and real self.

no one denys any one the right to grieve. well in this philosophy nothing at all is denied to anyone.

the fact is most of us feel sorrow at the loss of loved ones, and a person who attains self realization will not feel the sorrow, for he/she FEELS the truth.

 

[Darkdale]

absolutely darkdale - however this is the conundrum between the ideal and real self.

no one denys any one the right to grieve. well in this philosophy nothing at all is denied to anyone.

the fact is most of us feel sorrow at the loss of loved ones, and a person who attains self realization will not feel the sorrow, for he/she FEELS the truth.

Well, I don't believe in ideals. There is still too much dualism in Hinduism for me, but it's a better, more honest kind of dualism than exists in the Middle Eastern religions. I think of sorrow as an effect of respect. You grieve out of respect for the loss of life, not because you are sorry that so and so died, but because you have been denied the warmth of their presence.

 

[Jyothi]

i agree with you there about the loss of the warmth of a loved ones presence.

The Gita does not cover the emotional part but only the philosophical. in this religion (i use the word for the lack of a better one) there is very little that guides emotions, except probably for the bhakti.

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

:biglaugh: Hahahahahaha........its been a long time since i've been on the forum with my fellow devotees, i've been thru alot in the past few days, as i said before mahamaya loves her lilas, i was locked up and sent to the county jail for a unpaid ticket which resulted in a warrent being issued... ...but the funny thing is, it was a learning lession a silver lineing in the cloud as it were, i felt very little anger in regards to the promble it helped strenghtin my power of detachment being in that type of enviorment, for the lord of sri comes to you even in your struggles sometimes more so in your struggles than the good times....:angel2: ....but anyway it is good to have freedom again, i look forward to my future discussions with the devotees on this forum as well as the people drawn to our faith.

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

GREAT to have you back, dear one.

You know... it struck, upon reading about your plight... Krsna HAD you arrested so that you would learn to pay closer attention to your physical reality. Take care, and keep paying attention to the "details".


New question:

What do you think is Sri Prabuhpada's greatest contribution to our world? Why do you think so? (I already have a very clear answer in mind, so it might be fascinating how they compare.) Then again, if your answer is different, you WILL still love my answer hehe.

Sri prabuhpada's greatest contribution was the act of him bringing krsna awareness to the west, why do i think so, because of that action so many starved jivas(souls) got the chance to taste the sweet nectar of krsna and his love for all souls good and bad,and a chance to relive themselves from the cycle of birth and death in this lifetime, oh YmiGF if you have any more questions feel free to ask beloved many blessings to you.:hug:

 

[Moses the God Archetype*]

This is true beloved.....very true.