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The Bible and aliens
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Ben Dhyan
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" I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isiah 45:7
Good and evil are all around us all the time, that's what keeps the balance...like the eternal 'dance' of ying and yang of the Tao.. When your mind sets up what you like, against that you dislike, disharmony and strife follows. A mind at peace is a mind free from wishing to have heaven on earth....or earth in heaven....
My friend, I think you missed my point. They are burning people alive while President Obama cringes at the idea of killing one person. The rain surely falls on the good and the wicked, but can't we use better strategy?
Ben Dhyan
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Who is say that Obama is an instrument of the Lord's good.? That's my point...you seem to think that the US government and Obama in particular should be an instrument of good... And who is to say that ISIS is anything but a tool for the fulfillment of the ongoing Divine plan? All is unfolding according the Divine workings of good and evil....but which mortal mind truly understands which is which in this world so full in deception, educational brain washing, msm media propaganda and misinformation, global systemic corruption, etc.?
Whiterain
Get me off of this planet
Ya, man, bulldozing dead corpses into mass graves. Gods Plan...
Who's not to consider Mankind horribly misinterpreted God.
Leave that cold.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Then how do you interpret the Isaiah Bible quote of God I posted above...." I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isiah 45:7
If you do not accept this saying as divinely inspired, you then have to explain why God is impotent to stop evil...or doesn't want to...either way it mocks the very idea of what God represents.
If you read my posts correctly, you may see a connection to something also generally not understood....this is related to the reason for the Genesis warning about metaphorically eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If you understand that good and evil forces, in the context of the material side of creation, is a means of keeping the whole balanced, then it is wise not to get into a dog fight on one side or the other. But by all means do so if that is your wish, but I remind you that the means to an end is not different from the end.
Remember also the teaching to render unto your government that belongs to your government, and render unto God what is Gods'. Break neither your governments laws or the divine given guidance on ethics.
If you do not accept this saying as divinely inspired, you then have to explain why God is impotent to stop evil...or doesn't want to...either way it mocks the very idea of what God represents.
If you read my posts correctly, you may see a connection to something also generally not understood....this is related to the reason for the Genesis warning about metaphorically eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If you understand that good and evil forces, in the context of the material side of creation, is a means of keeping the whole balanced, then it is wise not to get into a dog fight on one side or the other. But by all means do so if that is your wish, but I remind you that the means to an end is not different from the end.
Remember also the teaching to render unto your government that belongs to your government, and render unto God what is Gods'. Break neither your governments laws or the divine given guidance on ethics.
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I will print off your post ben d and try to understand it.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
It's a pyramid brainwashing money fleecing scheme, based on quasi-psycho-tech sci fi religious themes...What do you guys make of Scientology? I've seen a few promotions for it, even hosted on USA Today.
The spiritual teaching sounded great until it got to the...
My prophet suggested that bored teen agers and young adults try being different religions for one day of the week. Boredom is a serious, suicide causing problem. Since he listed Scientology as one they might try, and from what I know about it, I suspect L. Ron Hubbard was a true prophet, but don't know. Also L. Ron Hubbard stopped writing books right before my prophet started. How is Scientology any of those things you just mentioned ben d? I've read some of the small books and found them to be very good and not brainwashing, I don't know about pyramid schemes in it, and "quasi-psycho-tech sci-fi religious themes" could be good, right?
Now, Isaiah 45:7 is indeed a good verse, and whoever we believe is our creator we shouldn't wish they hadn't created us (and our parents) but to me it is rather a confession than a bragging statement. God shouldn't be impotent to stop evil... he could program us with all the experience of evil we need already in our heads. Of course God wants to stop evil because it is a drag on power. So this verse is clearly a confession that he is imperfect (not God)!
But remember, I think God is a group of aliens. Then it makes sense... they are imperfect and created us imperfectly to sort out what's good and what's not in a huge and ever growing network. One day when that network meets another space society, will we be ready? That is everything to me.
Now, Isaiah 45:7 is indeed a good verse, and whoever we believe is our creator we shouldn't wish they hadn't created us (and our parents) but to me it is rather a confession than a bragging statement. God shouldn't be impotent to stop evil... he could program us with all the experience of evil we need already in our heads. Of course God wants to stop evil because it is a drag on power. So this verse is clearly a confession that he is imperfect (not God)!
But remember, I think God is a group of aliens. Then it makes sense... they are imperfect and created us imperfectly to sort out what's good and what's not in a huge and ever growing network. One day when that network meets another space society, will we be ready? That is everything to me.
As for ISIS I will suggest some possibilities that won't cause loss of life or torture but might help.
Have (non-Muslim) Americans study the Qu'Ran to reach an understanding.
Study Qu'Ran codes like Bible Codes. ISIS is Sunni, highly mystical, and would dig it, with the codes probably judging them.
Air drop leaflets to change their minds.
Fight social media and media with social media and media.
Appeal to the regular citizens to not approve of these people.
Take them to POW camps, except we treat them nicely and try to reform them morally.
Make deep threats.
Genetically engineer vicious animals with a switch that lets us kill them from space. Keep dropping them and getting people to surrender before we turn them off.
Buy up their guns.
Have (non-Muslim) Americans study the Qu'Ran to reach an understanding.
Study Qu'Ran codes like Bible Codes. ISIS is Sunni, highly mystical, and would dig it, with the codes probably judging them.
Air drop leaflets to change their minds.
Fight social media and media with social media and media.
Appeal to the regular citizens to not approve of these people.
Take them to POW camps, except we treat them nicely and try to reform them morally.
Make deep threats.
Genetically engineer vicious animals with a switch that lets us kill them from space. Keep dropping them and getting people to surrender before we turn them off.
Buy up their guns.
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After some research, such allegations of Scientology may be true. Remember though, some churches start out good and lose their way.
Don't forget though, scientology gives the chance of having a good church at 1 in a million. So it kind of fits itself that it would be bad.
(Raelians get help from aliens in one way or another).
Don't forget though, scientology gives the chance of having a good church at 1 in a million. So it kind of fits itself that it would be bad.
(Raelians get help from aliens in one way or another).
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Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Re Scientology....I was a member doing courses full time for a short times, and having paid upfront as required, it was drama big time getting my money back after I decided to quit. During this time, I experienced first hand the dark side of it....
Re Isaiah 45:7 ...it has to be understood that there are primary and secondary differentiations of good and evil. The primary differentiation is that of the vertical planes of existence...good refers to the higher vibrational heavenly spiritual planes, and evil refers to the lower vibrational material planes such as earth. The secondary differentiation refers to the sub-planes of a plane....taking our earthly plane as an example, the bible story of the tower of Babel explains that when the good and evil balance is upset, and evil is in the ascendency on earth, if it is not stopped, the power of higher planes of good will be used for evil purposes by the lower, and thus for the sake of balance of the whole, the human perps must be stopped by God. Similarly in Revelations, the Gospels, and in Daniel, it is prophesied that once again, like in the days of Noah, when evil has brought about systemic corruption of the divine guidance given to earthly humanity by which to live by, the perps will be destroyed. So there is no contradiction between divine guidance to man not to kill, and the killing of men by god....the former relates to just one plane...earth, and the latter refers to the whole...the divine schemes of all planes.
Re God is a group of aliens....of course, the universe, which itself is alive and in which all else exists, moves, and has their being,is teeming with entities on all planes. The term God is therefore used in a relative sense pertaining to the superior - inferior relationship between entities...,but it can also be in the absolute sense as in Brahman, the underlying unity of all...THAT which is the eternal refuge from relative existence
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I would advise that it would be more wise to give yourself to the goal of realizing existence on the higher planes of God, than trying to create peace on the lower plane of earth.... can you stop big fish from eating smaller fish? ...and the smaller fish from eating even smaller fish, etc? It's the nature of material existence...hence religion is meant to provide a way to realize non-material existence...as angels/ETs... it's your choice...you can not serve two masters without serving one second best...
OK, I don't have so much trouble with your religious dogma as I do with your conclusion. Dude, these guys burn people alive! When Hitler did this, were we just supposed to let him take over the world because that wouldn't help us reach some spiritual plane? No, ascending to good is the same as fighting against evil... of course we should use strategy against ISIS.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ok...so we're back down in the world of geopolitics dealing with ISIS, what has geopolitics got to do with religion....except of course Elohim/ET/Angelic prophecy about end times which you apparently consider as non-relevant dogma. It would be more appropriate, and you would get more takers on the 'Everything but the Kitchen Sink' forums....
Whiterain
Get me off of this planet
Just a week ago an asteroid twice the size of earth itself took a b-line thanks to our Sun.
Once we get a grip on that technology and seeing all celetestial bodies Man's going to have to adjust their sense of safe. Earth is well protected, our solar system is as if designed to act as a shield, an asteroid would first face the Moon then the Earth. It's incredible, Jupiter saves us every 'day'.
But, god damn, mentioning design and the cosmos, sure for fire. Our solar system, our region, is quaint excellence. Do I think it's designed, I don't know. It's amazing how effective it is at keeping us safe though. The power needed to do this is incomprehensible, I'm not about to try. Some sentient energy deficit of like infinity, I guess.
Life may be breif, life may be fickle in the cold barrens of the comsos.
Certainly any encounter would be anymore or less diplomatic or friendly than us, it's done in film, less beasts took to the cosmos.
Can one fathom luck or the sizre of **** flying around out there? The's are nert compositions of matter twice the size of Earth at least being thrown around the cosmos by 'gravity', these comets and meteors must at some point catch a gravitational rotation, produce life or not.
Once we get a grip on that technology and seeing all celetestial bodies Man's going to have to adjust their sense of safe. Earth is well protected, our solar system is as if designed to act as a shield, an asteroid would first face the Moon then the Earth. It's incredible, Jupiter saves us every 'day'.
But, god damn, mentioning design and the cosmos, sure for fire. Our solar system, our region, is quaint excellence. Do I think it's designed, I don't know. It's amazing how effective it is at keeping us safe though. The power needed to do this is incomprehensible, I'm not about to try. Some sentient energy deficit of like infinity, I guess.
Life may be breif, life may be fickle in the cold barrens of the comsos.
Certainly any encounter would be anymore or less diplomatic or friendly than us, it's done in film, less beasts took to the cosmos.
Can one fathom luck or the sizre of **** flying around out there? The's are nert compositions of matter twice the size of Earth at least being thrown around the cosmos by 'gravity', these comets and meteors must at some point catch a gravitational rotation, produce life or not.
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I'm tired of aliens and the afterlife.
I don't want to be Raelian, or Jewish, or Mormon.
I will start up a new thread about nonalien atheist intelligent design in the atheist forum.
I don't want to be Raelian, or Jewish, or Mormon.
I will start up a new thread about nonalien atheist intelligent design in the atheist forum.