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The Bible and its Contradictions/Oddities

yippityyak

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FerventGodSeeker said:
No, the parts containing ceremonial laws are not. That's why one is Old, and one is New.

It is relevant in the sense that it shows us where we came from. We can learn things about God and the way He deals with people, as well as see how God has brought His promises and prophecies to pass.

See? This is why this site is good!!! Never in my life would I have thought of it like that! And it makes complete sense! Because in the same sense, now that I am thinking about it, what relevance does Noahs Ark have to our lives today? And you know what? It has a hell of a lot of relevance! It is showing that God is powerful and that if we do not follow his ways, even though he loves us, there are major consequences!

Wow, a real eye opener there! Thanks! : hamster :
 

yippityyak

Member
Thanks for that link James! It was very informative!

But is it safe to assume that the ones that are reduced have changed the word of God? Or are we all just looking at the same thing essentially? And would that mean that the reduced versions are "wrong" or is that also presumtuous of me?

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James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
yippityyak said:
Thanks for that link James! It was very informative!

But is it safe to assume that the ones that are reduced have changed the word of God? Or are we all just looking at the same thing essentially? And would that mean that the reduced versions are "wrong" or is that also presumtuous of me?

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No. All they've done (whether they've reduced or expanded the canon) is to set a slightly different criterion for what they consider to be normative. As an example of an expansion of the canon, The Ethiopian Broad Canon has the Shepherd of Hermas in it. We do not consider it as normative (so we do not use it as a yardstick to judge other sources) but we do consider it to be useful and inspired and so we do read it and agree with what it teaches. In the case of a reduction, with the exception of the Protestants who have an overly black and white view which appears to equate canonical with inspired and non-canonical with false, I would imagine it's the same. The RC canon doesn't have 3 Maccabees but I doubt that they would treat it as false as a result, they just don't treat it in quite the same way we do.

In any case, the canon is the product of the Church, inspired by God but not the Word of God in the sense that Protestants usually mean by that. We don't view the Scriptures in quite that way.

James
 

writer

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40 Protestants attempting to remove books from the OT
The Jewish Apocrypha, as Jerome and others realized long before Martin Luther, was never part of the "OT," was never Jewish Scripture

1 why are there so many contridictions in the Bible?
There aren't any

An example of this is where God talks and almost condones slavery of other people, but in the New Testament, Jesus talks about loving everyone, including your enemies?
Were u saying u shouldn't love slaves?

Another thing that confuses me is the fact that a lot of Christians say that the Old Testament is as relevant today as the New Testament is. Why is it relevant today that i own a slave and that I am allowed to strike him because he is my property?
Christ owns you, if you've been bought by Him, in the New Testament

And then it goes on to say that if I strike my slave and he dies immediately, I will be punished. But if I strike him and he only dies a day or two later, then I cant be punished because he is my property. If it is not meant literally for it to be relevant today, then what is the meaning of this?
allegorically.
What exact portion?

And why does God make Revelation so difficult to understand?
Cuz He wants people to depend on Him

Why cant it be written in such a way that we can understand what he is trying to show us?
Come! Let him who's thirsty come; let him who wills take the water of life freely, Rv 22:17

3 if God wants us to come to him out of our own free will, why cant he make things a little more simple so that we can make an informed decision?
Cuz's already simple as can b

certain things...I cant get my head around and make a decision about
then give 'em to the Lord

about Revelation...the symbolism of the Horse

which horse?

4 that God wrote the Bible? That's a peculiar attitude that you seem to find only in the various post-Reformation churches.
i myself'm unaware of anyone, anywhere, who teaches that God wrote the Bible in the sense of pen, pencil or word processor. Which's evidently what the gentleman in post 4 means

the Bible was written by men not God. They may have been inspired by God
Unlike dear James the Persian, the Bible-writer Paul was definite that "all Scripture's God-breathed," as its source. But what God and Paul really want to do supremely is to write God, in Christ, as Spirit, into our hearts, 2 Corinthians 3:3; Jeremiah 31:33; Psalm 45:1, 13-14, 17


but they certainly weren't dictated to
Not audibly in most cases: no

the Bible was never intended to be understood outside of a well defined oral Tradition that was passed down through the Church
If dear James Persian thinks his Tradition of which he writes is so defined, to say nothing of well-defined, then perhaps he might care to say what it is? (If he hasn't in part yet---i'm only up to post 6 as i write this.) Then, we ourselves could, perhaps, if it's permitted in James' Tradition, compare them ourselves: his Tradition, with the prophets' and apostles' written Scriptures. To quote authority, the Lord Jesus often in the 4 Gospels said "It is written..."

it's only when you throw out that Tradition, which is what the Reformers did, that you start to have problems of interpretation like this.
Some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem, saying, Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they don't wash their hands when they eat bread. And Jesus answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? Matthew 15:1-3

The Tradition of the Church is pretty clear on what it means but, for this very reason it remains the only book of the New Testament that is not read in the Liturgy.
i guess that may make sense to religion: Don't read what's clear

6 Rapture that everyone talks about. What is it really?
Enoch was taken up in Genesis 5. The Lord Jesus was taken up, ascended, too. That's what i mean by "rapture" in this context

I have been told that it is before Jesus returns, where people will just disappear. They are there one minute, and the next not. Is this a story that people make up or is it correct?
Perhaps if u walk with God. "Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him" Genesis 5:24

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that Christians will be taken away by God so that they don't have to suffer the Tribulation before Judgement Day.
4 nonsensical heresies like the Rapture...
9 (19th century) and dangerous heresy. has absolutely no basis in either Scripture or Holy Tradition and was completely unknown to the Church for its first 1800 years
According to 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Revelation 3:10 12:6-17 14:14-16 and Luke 21:36 most Christians alive then will pass through the tribulation of Antichrist's time. Becuz they fail to walk with God as much as Enoch and others did.
Like James says: this is contrary to the predominant and popular view of "rapture" mostly seen and heard in America.
Which, however dangerous even, doesn't make the "popular view" we're condemning
"heresy." Since it doesn't pertain to Christ's person or redemptive work


the originator of he belief never even claimed to get it from the Bible but rather from the visions of a woman called Margaret MacDonald.
If dear James the Persian's referring to the dear Christian John Nelson Darby, then James's mistaken. In that Darby, like James, realized that "disappearing" is in the Bible, although John Nelson Darby was mistaken that rapture prior to Antichrist will be "free." Additionally, the dear sister in Christ, Margaret MacDonald, received the "vision" from her Lord that the "sign of the Son of Man which will appear in heaven" in Matthew 24:30, was none other than the Son of Man Himself. Which's a wonderful vision. I too got help from her in that regard.
Thanx
 
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