The Bible and The Quran

[Windwalker]

why doesnt Islam create a governing body that controls its muslim teachers in all mosques?

wouldnt that help stop the fanatical preachers who promote jihad?

It doesn't stop Fred Phelps.

 

[MeLtiZBleaCh]

I see a lot of christians claiming that the quran is full of violence and hatred, and muslims claiming the same of the bible.

How is one better than the other? Do they not both have violence? Both call for death to be a punishment for certain religious crimes? Were they not both intended for a specific audience? Seriously....I consider both religions to be on equal ground.

I as a muslim would like to clarify that according to Quran tolerance should be shown towards all religions. Hatespeech such as saying the bible is full of hatred and violence goes against are teachings.

Some other clarifications.

1) Islam's audience is all of humanity of all time-periods.
2) Punishments are based on setting examples. but at the same time tend to follow the principle of an eye-for an eye. In this sense you might call Islam to be a Strict religion but none the less effective since the whole purpose of punishments is to give justice and decrease the crime rate. Dont forget punishments are not meaningless violence they are their to ensure justice.
3) I dont understand where hatred comes in the teachings of the Quran. As far as I a muslim is concerned throughout the Quran Allah has shown Hatred towards several groups but you must know that according to the teachings of Islam we muslims are not allowed to show hatred towards anyone, whether friend or foe. Allah showing hatred according to the quran does not allow Muslims to show hatred. I can give u an example if u want where muslims must remain composed. I hope you understand what i had to say.

Peace.

 

[dgirl1986]

I can see those that reject the OT (most Christians don't actually look into the OT, whereas they do the NT). But if you say you've met some who reject the NT as a whole, what do they then use? Are they exclusively using the Nag Hamadi texts? Do they self-identify as Gnostic or something?

They do not use the OT but rather use the NT. Jesus and all that jazz.

 

[Windwalker]

They do not use the OT but rather use the NT. Jesus and all that jazz.

Well that makes more sense. It's taken two weeks to clarify this? You originally said http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3506749-post3.html

In which you stated there are Christians which do not uses the NT. And you continued to state this after I asked multiple times, after my saying I'm not aware of any that do not use the NT.

 

[dgirl1986]

Well that makes more sense. It's taken two weeks to clarify this? You originally said http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3506749-post3.html

In which you stated there are Christians which do not uses the NT. And you continued to state this after I asked multiple times, after my saying I'm not aware of any that do not use the NT.

There are ones that do not accept the NT and there are ones that do not accept the OT.

I have come across both groups. I do not believe it is specific to denominations.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

There are ones that do not accept the NT and there are ones that do not accept the OT.

I have come across both groups. I do not believe it is specific to denominations.

Wait... what? If you don't accept the doctrine of the NT you are per definition not a Christian.

And no, the various sects that do not accept it are not christian sects per definition, you have to accept the four gospels to be a christian (not the pauline stuff though, blessed are those that reject it).

The OT is Jewish scripture for Jews alone, most people know this and accept that.

 

[dgirl1986]

Wait... what? If you don't accept the doctrine of the NT you are per definition not a Christian.

And no, the various sects that do not accept it are not christian sects per definition, you have to accept the four gospels to be a christian (not the pauline stuff though, blessed are those that reject it).

The OT is Jewish scripture for Jews alone, most people know this and accept that.

Maybe someone should tell them that.

If the OT is for jews alone then why do a lot of christians use it to argue homosexuality?

 

[ImprobableBeing]

Maybe someone should tell them that.

If the OT is for jews alone then why do a lot of christians use it to argue homosexuality?

Have you ever read Corinthians, all would be well and good if the four gospels were what Christians read and adhered to but then along comes Paul the Persecutor of Christians who had to make up things to be forgiven. Among the things he made up were condemnations taken from the OT and one of those is the condemnation of homosexuals.

Christians of today should be called Paulists because that is what they follow, not Christ but Paul, a man that had "visions" in which he talked to Jesus.

 

[dgirl1986]

Have you ever read Corinthians, all would be well and good if the four gospels were what Christians read and adhered to but then along comes Paul the Persecutor of Christians who had to make up things to be forgiven. Among the things he made up were condemnations taken from the OT and one of those is the condemnation of homosexuals.

Christians of today should be called Paulists because that is what they follow, not Christ but Paul, a man that had "visions" in which he talked to Jesus.

I read corinthians a long time ago but to be honest I dont really remember much of it. We were made to study pauls teaching when I was attending youth group and I personally didnt like the dude. Something seemed way off. You make a fair point.

 

[nash8]

I read corinthians a long time ago but to be honest I dont really remember much of it. We were made to study pauls teaching when I was attending youth group and I personally didnt like the dude. Something seemed way off. You make a fair point.

1 Corinthians 12 NIV - Concerning Spiritual Gifts - Now about - Bible Gateway

1 Corinthians 13 NIV - If I speak in the tongues of men or of - Bible Gateway

I don't neccesarilly agree with Paul as a whole, but their are so diamonds in the ruff so to speak in my opinion.

 

[dgirl1986]

1 Corinthians 12 NIV - Concerning Spiritual Gifts - Now about - Bible Gateway

Verse 2 and 3 - I dont see how pagans are relevant to the "spirit of god".
The verses about gifts - this seems to differ from earlier teachings in the bible regarding gifts.

1 Corinthians 13 NIV - If I speak in the tongues of men or of - Bible Gateway

I don't neccesarilly agree with Paul as a whole, but their are so diamonds in the ruff so to speak in my opinion.

I do remember the teachings in this one and when I read that I think, if only more christians actually lived by that.

 

[nash8]

Verse 2 and 3 - I dont see how pagans are relevant to the "spirit of god".

I see it as a reference to the universal life force referenced in many pagan religions, more so than the Christian/Jewish God.

The verses about gifts - this seems to differ from earlier teachings in the bible regarding gifts.

Interesting enough, their are many schools of thought that say that the original dominant sect within Christianity was the gnostic sect, as they were highly prominent within the Christian worldview up until around the time it became a Roman state religion. While gnosticism isn't neccesarily paganism, there are definitely more similarties than what we see in mainstream Christianity today. Almost all of the inquisitions and such, were directed predominately at gnostic sects.

I do remember the teachings in this one and when I read that I think, if only more christians actually lived by that.

Indeed, but it's much easier and more comfortable to believe that everything will be good because someone died 2000 years ago.

I'm not going to lie, the thought is most definitely intruiging. If I didn't know that I had what was offered already, I'd probably still be going that route myself.