The Bible on women in a church

[Pegg]

Thank you Pegg. But doesn't the next part of the passage in question, after 'women should be in subjection' say they should ask their questions to their husbands once they get home? If so, is that suggesting they shouldn't ask any questions at all while in the church?

my guess is that Paul was speaking of a very specific situation existing back in his day...perhaps some women were disputing and debating within the congregation rather then showing submission to those taking the lead.

but we certainly know that women were acting as ministers in the first century...so we know for 100% certainty that Paul isnt saying that women cannot speak in the congregation... it is most likely the form of speech he is referring to.... and if a women has doubts or objections she should discuss them in private with her husband rather then cause a scene (which could lead to disunity) in the congregation.

 

[Treks]

Okay, thank you.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It is perhaps time Females led the church
men have had their turn,
Discuss.

 

[Pegg]

It is perhaps time Females led the church
men have had their turn,
Discuss.

we are too busy

 

[Madhuri]

I don't understand the reason behind why women can't or shouldn't lead congregation. I know some women priests/vicars in the Anglican church and they are very successful in their parish, and very good at the job. Does the Bible give any explanation as to why they can't/shouldn't?

 

[Me Myself]

I dont understand the reasoning behind people without beards leading congregations.

Jesus had a beard, so it is obvious that only people with beard were meant to be spiritual leaders.

Discuss.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Bearded ladies would be excellent spiritual leaders.

 

[Pegg]

I don't understand the reason behind why women can't or shouldn't lead congregation. I know some women priests/vicars in the Anglican church and they are very successful in their parish, and very good at the job. Does the Bible give any explanation as to why they can't/shouldn't?

He created the male in his image with his masculine qualities. Those masculine qualities represent Gods authority and leadership. So it is only right that men who possess those attributes lead Gods church. Females were imbued with Gods feminine qualities which act in a different manner.

Being hindu, you'd understand how the different gods you worship have different attributes and perform different roles. Its no different with masculine qualities and feminine qualities. They are equally important in their respective roles....but one wouldnt try to take over the role of the other. For example, would Shiva the destroyer take the role of Brahman the creator?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Who decided that masculine means leader? Majority rule? Genetic markers? Roll of the cosmic dice?

 

[Pegg]

Who decided that masculine means leader? Majority rule? Genetic markers? Roll of the cosmic dice?

the bible shows that the woman was created to be a helper of the man
Gen 2:18 And Jehovah God went on to say: “It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him.”

so if she was to be his 'helper'...what would she be helping him with? Obviously it would be up to the man to decide that and this is why the man would be a leader of his family. His wife would help him where he needed help...he would need to offer some direction on that matter and thus masculinity is about direction and leadership more then the feminine quality of submission and cooperation.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

So, supposing men can't seem to get their acts together in the church, a woman could "help" by taking charge and leading.

 

[Pegg]

So, supposing men can't seem to get their acts together in the church, a woman could "help" by taking charge and leading.

if a man is incapable of the fortitude required to lead a church, or more specifically if he lacks the spiritual qualifications, then he wouldnt qualify to lead a church

if there are no men who qualify to lead a church, but there is a woman who is spiritually qualified, then yes, she could do it. She would also willingly step aside if ever a man became qualified to do so...then she would support him where he may need her help.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So perhaps Margaret Thatcher could have been a priest.
She had more Balls, was tougher. more unscrupulous. more nasty, Than any man of the time. she did not lead, she pushed shoved, twisted arms and what ever was necessary to get her way. she was like a one man inquisition.

And her men loved it.....

 

[Pegg]

So perhaps Margaret Thatcher could have been a priest.
She had more Balls, was tougher. more unscrupulous. more nasty, Than any man of the time. she did not lead, she pushed shoved, twisted arms and what ever was necessary to get her way. she was like a one man inquisition.

And her men loved it.....

a good shepherd gains the flocks trust and they willingly follow him... he doesnt need to push and shove them

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

a good shepherd gains the flocks trust and they willingly follow him... he doesnt need to push and shove them

Exactly

The important qualities of a good leader are more often found in women. such qualities are not found in the more obvious masculine attributes.

 

[Pegg]

Exactly

The important qualities of a good leader are more often found in women. such qualities are not found in the more obvious masculine attributes.

you dont think men can be gentle in nature, yet authoritative and strong? I doubt anyone viewed Margaret thatcher as gentle in nature... she was fierce and headstrong... that is not the sort of shepherd the sheep are compelled to follow.

Jesus changed the world and is still changing lives for the better and he was very tender in compassion and mercy... men are quite capable of exhibiting such qualities and when they do they make the greatest leaders.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

you dont think men can be gentle in nature, yet authoritative and strong? I doubt anyone viewed Margaret thatcher as gentle in nature... she was fierce and headstrong... that is not the sort of shepherd the sheep are compelled to follow.

Jesus changed the world and is still changing lives for the better and he was very tender in compassion and mercy... men are quite capable of exhibiting such qualities and when they do they make the greatest leaders.

I held up Thatcher as a Bad example, who demonstrated the worst of male attributes.
Men who demonstrate those same attributes Are hardly "Jesus" Types.