Pogo
Well-Known Member
Good question, now I have one for you.
Why are you starting your posts with a circular link?
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The Bible seems to always promote a flat earth belief over a spherical earth
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Why are you starting your posts with a circular link?
excreationist
Married mouth-breather
Though if you keep on going east on a globe you will end up in the west.... that's related to:
Psalm 103:12
"as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us"
(though on a globe the east and the west end up having zero distance from each other)
I posted a number of quotes from the bible which show its consistent view that the earth is flat, the earth is immovably fixed at the center of creation, the sun and stars go round the earth, the sky is a hard dome you can walk on to which the stars are affixed such that if they come loose they'll fall to earth.
All of that appears to be consistent with the understandings of the times and places the bible was written (so were modern cosmology found, it would be evidence of later doctoring).
Those quotes are set out >here<.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
@excreationist
Although I personally agree with you that the authors of the Bible believed in a flat earth, for the sake of a larger discussion, I'd like to offer a point from the other side.
If I say to you, "Let's go watch the sunrise," does this mean that I believe that the sun orbits the earth? No.
Christian scholars would identify the above as a form of figurative speech known as "phenomenological speech." This means descriptions generated by a person's experience, rather than any particular objective reality.
These scholars would suggest that the biblical references to the "disk of the earth" is an example of phenomenological speech, since the experience of the authors would be a flat earth, despite its objective spheroid shape.
Although I personally agree with you that the authors of the Bible believed in a flat earth, for the sake of a larger discussion, I'd like to offer a point from the other side.
If I say to you, "Let's go watch the sunrise," does this mean that I believe that the sun orbits the earth? No.
Christian scholars would identify the above as a form of figurative speech known as "phenomenological speech." This means descriptions generated by a person's experience, rather than any particular objective reality.
These scholars would suggest that the biblical references to the "disk of the earth" is an example of phenomenological speech, since the experience of the authors would be a flat earth, despite its objective spheroid shape.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
rocala
Well-Known Member
That is one of their predictable responses. Photo's of Nazi death camps and astronauts on the moon are also fake, and the list will go on.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sounds like a Dyson Sphere:
Dyson sphere - Wikipedia
If we made one for our star it would have to be much larger than Earth's orbit. That is because for anywhere within it would be like a 24 hour day on the equator at the solstices at noon. The Sun unwavering from its hottest position over the Earth. So I am thinking about the size of the orbit of Mars.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
No, a potential Dyson sphere was recently used as something in a SETI argument here for proof of a god, concave earth seems a whole nother ball of worms.Sounds like a Dyson Sphere:
Dyson sphere - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
If we made one for our star it would have to be much larger than Earth's orbit. That is because for anywhere within it would be like a 24 hour day on the equator at the solstices at noon. The Sun unwavering from its hottest position over the Earth. So I am thinking about the size of the orbit of Mars.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Okay, yes I just reread your post and I misunderstood it because it was a heliocentric universe. Earth was still a planet. My mistake.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
It is getting confusing around here.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@Pogo you wrote
[In The Cellular Cosmogony (first published in 1898), Teed explained that the earth was not a convex sphere but instead a hollow, concave cell containing the entire universe with the sun at its center. The earth was motionless while the heavens rotated within the concave sphere.]
@Pogo I didn't know how to make that as a quote, because it won't let me.
@Pogo will you please find a website backing this up of the In the Cellular Cosmogony and share for me, so I can reference.
Now let's look at my horrific drawing, what is that that contains the ______ sun and such, and the arms rotates (random arm numbers, I'm sure there's more then four. I picked any color for dome. but that dome makes the light from the sun bend, as the sun shines through dome. I didn't come up with this, others has. I have zero original information none. Do I have the freedom to reference them.
Please read below my sloppy, horrific disaster drawing that doesn't really show it all, but just an example that doesn't show even how much land and water there is, because I'm sure there's a different number for land and water. Isn't there 7 seas or what? I just randomly put blue and green; it's just a random number, not meant as that's how much land and water there is.
I thought because of the pyramid that contains the ___ and sun, I just drawn random arms, so not saying there's only four, but you can see one of them directing the sun, I thought is that why in Egypt there's a pyramid, here I'll ask @Tamino this
@Tamino is this why the Egyptians had pyramid because they known of a pyramid in the center that controls the ____ and sun that rotates as the earth stays still?
@Tamino I am extremely serious is this why the Egyptians has a pyramid because they know of the pyramid in the center of the dome that controls the ____ and the sun?
Can I reference others and share. They do a lot better than me.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Google cellular earth and you will find things like
As for the drawing, looks like mine on my way to my second childhood except I cant draw on my computer.
I don't find anything in the bible that suggests a concave earth. What bible passages support the idea, do you say?
Tamino
Active Member
No. Just no.
The Egyptians were pretty convinced that the sun travels while the earth stays still.
Some guy adding a pyramid into his crazy inverted universe in 1898 does not have influence on Egyptian cosmology 5000 years ago.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@Pogo Here it is the website you wanted me to look up The Cellular Cosmogony Index
I agree earth stays still. I agree.
@Tamino Thank you for informing me that the Egyptian pyramid isn't in relations to the pyramid in the center of the dome, which some people think is in the center of the dome, is a pyramid. At least now I understand the Egyptians didn't know about this pyramid in the center of the dome. Is there a pyramid or no pyramid in the center of the dome?
Here's video @Tamino showing a pyramid in the dome. I think the arms are more curved, I think eventually he made curved arms, that's the problem I have is these videos are so long. It's difficult for me to reference them
I have some differences from this long video, such as the fact that I don't think the glass dome was broken where there was a world flood, as I still think the flood was local, such as in Jalore, India, and the people kept telling the story 'til it continued and was passed on later as if it were a world flood. So in that area, I would differ from this video. I learned about the Jalore flood in India from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala.
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River Sea
Well-Known Member
Is there any bible verses in this The Cellular Cosmogony Index so far I didn't see any, what????? How come where???? Can someone help me find????
I don't know of yet. However I think there's a pyramid in the middle of dome, that shows at some point in this video
to blend this vent into was earth concave, flat, or convex, or what? I could ask, is earth a venting from God?
All I ever seen was light in people radiate outward. And I'm sure others had even research that and has a lot more research than I could ever offer. Why heck what if earth is super glue. Is your earth-suit super glued to earth.
I learn from @dybmh about shechina. What about Shechina when earth was forming
you can see @Pogo asking me to look up The Cellular Cosmogony Index Thank you @Pogo
Finally I shared that website The Cellular Cosmogony Index however I don't think that in that website has a pyramid in that dome. can you find any bible verses from in that website?
Here's my horrific drawing. I hope your emotions doesn't go crazy when seeing this. I think it has that in that video too. That's further up in this post. The challenges I'm having with these videos is there so long. It makes it difficult to reference also I think they do some swearing in some of the videos, hopefully not in this one.
Oh question did God ever vented before?
Is earth created due to God vented?
And we're living in the middle of God's venting emotions?
Does God have emotions?
Cross-Sectional View of the Great Electro-Magnetic Battery, with the Sun as the Perpetual Pivot and Pole. Southern Hemisphere of the Cell
The Cellular Cosmogony: The Earth Is a Shell; the Sun Is the Center
The Cellular Cosmogony, or the Earth a Concave Sphere, by Cyrus Reed Teed, at sacred-texts.com
sacred-texts.com
What is this
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I worry about the Bible and the Quran, because many believers reject the sciences of evolution based on their interpretation of these ancient texts. Yes, the original authors and/or compilers believed in a historically accurate Pentateuch, and a geocentric universe.
gnostic
The Lost One
The problem is using the word circle or circular, is not recognising that circle is 2-dimensional shape, not 3-dimensional.
If you looking at 3-dimension geometric shapes, then there cube, box, prism, pyramid, cone, cylinder, sphere, spheroid, etc.
while circle exist in 3D sphere, they also exist in cone & cylinder.
imagine that you look at sphere from 6 different angles, it will appear to be circular in all 6 angles.
But if view a cone from 6 angles, they will only appear circular in 2 of those angles, but triangular in 4 of the angles.
It is the same with cylinder where only on 2 sides that it appeared to be circular; whereas the rest of the angles, they would appear either like square or rectangle.
Sphere have no edges. While the flat circular side (cone) or sides (cylinder has 2 circular flat sides) have edges.
The ancient Hebrew people have followed the ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, and even some of the Greeks, where they view the Earth to be like a cylinder (like a disk or coin). People live on the surface of flat circular side of the cylinder, surrounded by water or ocean, but there are round edges that mark the boundary of the earth. Like the Babylonians, the Hebrews believed that the earth was a disk floating on sea, with dome on top (Genesis 1:6-7, described a dome, vault or firmament).
It wasn’t until the 5th century BCE, that some ancient Greek natural philosophers started viewing the Earth as being spherical in shape, like a ball or orb.
Even after the Hellenistic period, some people still rejected that the Earth is spherical. Even the Qur’an described the Earth being flat with edges, like a disk, not a sphere.
Your Revelation 7 only described a circle, not a sphere.
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gnostic
The Lost One
Yes, it is the same with Egyptian and Babylonian religions and myths. It have to with their own lands.
In Egyptian myth, the primeval waters (personified as Nu or Nun) existed, before Atum or Ra created dry land. That 1st land was a mound, which is Heliopolis, a city sacred to Atum (later it was Ra). When Atum or Ra created the first humans, it occurred on this mound. In a different myth, the creation took place in Elephantine, sacred to Khnum. With Elder Horus the first mound was at Behet. And so on.
Likewise, there are number of different myths to Sumer or Babylonia, creating the Earth was always the creation of dry land, which was sacred to specific god in a particular city, examples, Eridu which was a city sacred to Enki (Babylonian Ea), Nippur for Enlil, Uruk for An (Anu), and so on.