The Bible - Why Trust It

[URAVIP2ME]

Much of the Bible is political ..........

Interesting to say that 'much of the Bible is political' because some people in the first century were looking for a political Messiah to free them from oppression. So, how disappointed they were in Jesus because as King (political) of God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44 Jesus did Not take political action in the first century.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I agree. How one can worship God apart from instructions and knowledge, is a matter for them, I suppose. I am not able currently to see how that is done.
Sadly, some in the past, thought it possible to bypass what God was using to instruct his people. Numbers 16

The ^ above ^ also reminded me of Hebrews 3:8-11 how the people after leaving Egypt grieved God's heart by hardening their hearts toward God. They lacked faith in His word - Hebrews 3:12,19

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I find Jesus is a person and Jesus believed he needed Scripture.
Jesus believed and taught that Scripture is religious truth.
So, how can a person trust God if they don't know what God requires such as His Golden Rule.
Apart from Scripture man can't find solutions because man was Not designed to guide his own steps.
Man seems to focus on the problem and Not focus on the cause.
For example: a leaking pipe stains a ceiling and to keep painting over that stain does Not solve the problem.
That problem will exist until that leak in the pipe is fixed.
Man can't find the solid solution to man's problems because that leak can only be solved by God's solution.
God's solution is found in the pages of Scripture through the teachings of Christ who trusted Scripture.

Shrugs. Talking with god directly sounds more powerful. Scriptures can be burnt or go obstelete. Communication with god cannot.

 

[Audie]

"Skeptics attack"

Not a chance that a seruous scholar or sincere amateur
might be curious or questioning.

No.

SKEPTICS ATTACK!!!!!!!!!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Shrugs. Talking with god directly sounds more powerful. Scriptures can be burnt or go obstelete. Communication with god cannot.

Yes, I find even Scripture directs us to pray ( talk ) with God directly. No middle man needed to pray to address God.
We just go to God through Jesus - John 14:6 - meaning because Jesus is the central key to fulfilling God's purpose.
True, Scripture (paper) is perishable, but even throughout the many centuries Bible enemies from both within and without No one can get rid of Scripture. All that banning and trying to destroy Scripture has proven un-successful because God backs His Word. There is No way Scripture will go obsolete. We are seeing fulfillment before our very eyes. We are at the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14 with the international proclaiming about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44. We are also nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when 'they' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will be the one to usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

 

[Audie]

I find it is Not a question of needing to show historical evidence, but that when Scripture does mention people they are truthfully real people and Not some ' once upon a time ' fairy-tale story people.

Absolutely.

That is how the genre "historical fiction" is done. You
are not addressing a first grade class. Show some class,
and dont act like you are. You wont like how your audience
reacts if you do.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Part 1 - Historically Accurate

ARGUMENT FROM SILENCE
Skeptics have attacked the Biblical record using the argument from silence. The fact that for many Biblical characters, there is no mention of them outside of the Biblical record in the findings of archeology or ancient inscriptions or manuscripts, calls their historicity into question.

The argument goes that if such people really lived, one would expect to find some trace of them outside of sacred writings.

Archaeology Confirms 50 Real People in the Bible


Add one more to the list.
Tattenai, also called Sisinnes, (flourished c. 6th–5th century BCE), Persian governor of the province west of the Euphrates River (eber nāri, “beyond the river”) during the reign of Darius I (522–486 BCE).
According to the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) Book of Ezra, Tattenai led an investigation into the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem about 519 BCE. He sent a report to Darius, who responded with instructions to allow the work to proceed. Tattenai is one of the few Persian officials mentioned in the Hebrew Bible for whom there is independent attestation; he is mentioned in a cuneiform tablet dated 502 BCE.

Tattenai
Tattenai (or Tatnai or Sisinnes) was a Biblical character and a Persian governor of the province west of the Euphrates River during the time of Zerubbabel and the reign of Darius I.

He is best known for questioning King Darius in regard to the rebuilding of a temple for the Lord, God of Israel. He was generally friendly to the Jews.The rebuilding was being led by Jeshua, son of Jozadak, and Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, and had been issued by King Cyrus I. Tattenai wrote a letter to King Darius to ask of these statements were true, and then King Darius wrote a letter confirming that the statements were true. In the letter, Darius asked that the people do everything they can to support this rebuilding financially, and that they do nothing to impede it lest they suffer harsh punishment.

Babylonian Cuneiform inscriptions
A number of cuneiform tablets bearing the name Tattenai have survived as part of what may have been a family archive. The tablet that links one member of this family to the Bible character is a promissory note dated to the 20th year of Darius I, 502 BC. It identifies a witness to the transaction as a servant of “Tattannu, governor of Across-the-River”. The clay tablet can be dated to June 5, 502 B.C. exactly.

Name
The Name Tattenai (ושתני), probably derived from the Persian name Ustanu, a word found in Zoroastrian scriptures to mean "teaching" though to the Hebrews it was indistinguishable from an expression of the verb נתן natan, meaning "to give". In 1 Esdras he is called Sisinnes.

Biblical texts
Ezra 1:1-4; 4:4-16; 5:3-7.

Tattenai meaning

Argument from silence DEBUNKED
CONFIRMED : The Bible - Historically Accurate

Archaeology isn't my thing but I understand that there is some degree of concordance between the existence of historical figures and the bible from the Babylonian period onwards. Trying to extrapolate what we know then conclude its all literally true from the beginning to genesis doesn't work for most people with an interest in science and history. in fact it turns many people off Christianity. Regardless, I personally believe that Moses was a real person and that many if not all the of the laws recorded in the Torah were from Moses. However other than comparative religion I don't believe there is a shred of scientific evidence in support. I suspect that many of the stories of the Torah were passed down orally and first written down during the Babylonian exile period. That's my best guess.

I believe Jesus was the Jewish Messiah not because of any archaeological evidence or convincing proofs about prophecy, though I can argue prophecy along with all the other diehards and fundamentalists. Its simply what I grew up with. I've found through experience that believing in Jesus and applying His teachings to my life makes me a better person.

 

[shunyadragon]

Part 1 - Historically Accurate

ARGUMENT FROM SILENCE
Skeptics have attacked the Biblical record using the argument from silence. The fact that for many Biblical characters, there is no mention of them outside of the Biblical record in the findings of archeology or ancient inscriptions or manuscripts, calls their historicity into question.

The argument goes that if such people really lived, one would expect to find some trace of them outside of sacred writings.

Archaeology Confirms 50 Real People in the Bible


Add one more to the list.
Tattenai, also called Sisinnes, (flourished c. 6th–5th century BCE), Persian governor of the province west of the Euphrates River (eber nāri, “beyond the river”) during the reign of Darius I (522–486 BCE).
According to the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) Book of Ezra, Tattenai led an investigation into the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem about 519 BCE. He sent a report to Darius, who responded with instructions to allow the work to proceed. Tattenai is one of the few Persian officials mentioned in the Hebrew Bible for whom there is independent attestation; he is mentioned in a cuneiform tablet dated 502 BCE.

Tattenai
Tattenai (or Tatnai or Sisinnes) was a Biblical character and a Persian governor of the province west of the Euphrates River during the time of Zerubbabel and the reign of Darius I.

He is best known for questioning King Darius in regard to the rebuilding of a temple for the Lord, God of Israel. He was generally friendly to the Jews.The rebuilding was being led by Jeshua, son of Jozadak, and Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, and had been issued by King Cyrus I. Tattenai wrote a letter to King Darius to ask of these statements were true, and then King Darius wrote a letter confirming that the statements were true. In the letter, Darius asked that the people do everything they can to support this rebuilding financially, and that they do nothing to impede it lest they suffer harsh punishment.

Babylonian Cuneiform inscriptions
A number of cuneiform tablets bearing the name Tattenai have survived as part of what may have been a family archive. The tablet that links one member of this family to the Bible character is a promissory note dated to the 20th year of Darius I, 502 BC. It identifies a witness to the transaction as a servant of “Tattannu, governor of Across-the-River”. The clay tablet can be dated to June 5, 502 B.C. exactly.

Name
The Name Tattenai (ושתני), probably derived from the Persian name Ustanu, a word found in Zoroastrian scriptures to mean "teaching" though to the Hebrews it was indistinguishable from an expression of the verb נתן natan, meaning "to give". In 1 Esdras he is called Sisinnes.

Biblical texts
Ezra 1:1-4; 4:4-16; 5:3-7.

Tattenai meaning

Argument from silence DEBUNKED
CONFIRMED : The Bible - Historically Accurate

Problem here on your scapegoats you call skeptics, The discoveries over the past several hundred years have confirmed some historical events and people described in the Bible, The Bible is a collection of narratives set in history. They will of course contain historical facts just like any ancient literature from many cultures. These facts do nothing support the Bible as a divinely revealed literal book, nor that it is completely historically accurate.

 

[Audie]

Scripture is an historical book. How do you express the same truth if god exists apart from scripture?

Would you call it a history if you read that Napoleon helped Lincoln
to win the US civil war?

That is at least sort of could have happened if...

Six day poof, flood, exodus, babel?

"History"?

Surely you're joking.

 

[Audie]

I find there is ' power ' and ' strength ' in Creation. So, we can see such powerful strength in viewing creation even without the Bible. Earth is just right for mankind to inhabit Earth.
One person said how silly that a BIG tree would have a little acorn growing on it ?, but who would feel safe sitting under that BIG tree if it had water mellons or pumpkins growing on it _______

By far most of earth is uninhabitable
or marginal.

Go sit under a coconut tree.

Who knows, it might wake you up.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, I find even Scripture directs us to pray ( talk ) with God directly. No middle man needed to pray to address God.
We just go to God through Jesus - John 14:6 - meaning because Jesus is the central key to fulfilling God's purpose.
True, Scripture (paper) is perishable, but even throughout the many centuries Bible enemies from both within and without No one can get rid of Scripture. All that banning and trying to destroy Scripture has proven un-successful because God backs His Word. There is No way Scripture will go obsolete. We are seeing fulfillment before our very eyes. We are at the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14 with the international proclaiming about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44. We are also nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when 'they' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will be the one to usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

You kinda see the contradiction in your statement???

Yes, I find even Scripture directs us to pray ( talk ) with God directly. No middle man needed to pray to address God....​

Physical scripture is perishable. What would christians and bahai do (dont know about muslim), do, if all sacred scripture just poofed from existence?

Most other god-faiths talk to god directly. I know he cant be known in a literal way, but he can with full body interaction.

I mean, when I pray to my aunt, I do have her ashes and picture. I would be terribly upset if someone knock the ashes. Im really that close to her


And...the ashes are parishable. The relationship is between the person (and god) not the earthly things about then. The ashes are my aunts body but, like all of us, we die.

So, building a relationship with god rids the attachment to scripture. When god is all thats left, scripture is obstolete

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Would you call it a history if you read that Napoleon helped Lincoln
to win the US civil war?

That is at least sort of could have happened if...

Six day poof, flood, exodus, babel?

"History"?

Surely you're joking.

No. Paul actually did exists. The ephesians had their place among the romans. Jews exist (and still do). People still concecrate the eucharist. Its not made up. Least from an art history perspective. As for supernatural, unless you seperate that from culture, the practices still exists. Its not a fairy tale book. Just you guys make it a bit more than what it is.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Regardless, I personally believe that Moses was a real person and that many if not all the of the laws recorded in the Torah were from Moses.

Why?

 

[Audie]

No. Paul actually did exists. The ephesians had their place among the romans. Jews exist (and still do). People still concecrate the eucharist. Its not made up. Least from an art history perspective. As for supernatural, unless you seperate that from culture, the practices still exists. Its not a fairy tale book. Just you guys make it a bit more than what it is.

I dont need to be told that Egypt is real. The book is a semi
hidtorical novel with a bunch of magic realism mixed in.
It is also a fairy tale book.

The stuff about supetnatural...still exist makes no sense.

What "guys" you think I am part of is a total mystery to me.
"Make it out to be more.."?

 

[Dawnofhope]

Why?

Why not?

It seems plausible enough. God reveals laws to the Hebrew people to enabled them to establish themselves on the land God promised Abraham. The laws though not applicable now would make sense several thousand years ago for a relatively primitive people by todays standards. The NT, Quran, and Baha'i writings all affirm the narrative and laws to some extent.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Why not?

Never mind ...

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I dont need to be told that Egypt is real. The book is a semi
hidtorical novel with a bunch of magic realism mixed in.
It is also a fairy tale book.

The stuff about supetnatural...still exist makes no sense.

What "guys" you think I am part of is a total mystery to me.
"Make it out to be more.."?

Usually we know a lot of things in history books we learned elsewhere. I never know that Ephesians were a group of people. Nor did I galations. I thought the bible was just "a religious book". Then, as I compared it to other things, the events and people arent made up.

It is just like any other book. Religion does not make it more mystical than reading about a fiction book based on a true story.

It is not that special.

 

[Audie]

Usually we know a lot of things in history books we learned elsewhere. I never know that Ephesians were a group of people. Nor did I galations. I thought the bible was just "a religious book". Then, as I compared it to other things, the events and people arent made up.

It is just like any other book. Religion does not make it more mystical than reading about a fiction book based on a true story.

It is not that special.

Its a mix of stuff and withal, the most overrated and
overstudied book ever, unless its the koran takes
that sorry prize.

Is there something to disagree about?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I dont need to be told that Egypt is real. The book is a semi
hidtorical novel ...

Rubbish.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Its a mix of stuff and withal, the most overrated and
overstudied book ever, unless its the koran takes
that sorry prize.

Is there something to disagree about?

Ive just read it and studied some of its history and the people who wrote it. I have no personal ties, issues, nor sacred connections, nor inspiration from the book. It does have history. Over/under studied, its our culture (american) to pound to death that scripture Must be fact. We have on our magazine rack at my local grocery store "proof of the bible" with archelogical findings and picture as its headline cover.

But the book does have history apart from the glamorization of it.

EDIT start from the Catholic Church. The bible isnt idolated from the historical events surrounding it.