The Big Bang and Evolution

[ChristineM]

I spent a good hour trying to find them-- then it hit me, there is likely an "introduce yourself" section where they are not only outlined, but in detail (which is missing in the ABOUT section).

I did a quick scan-through, and found the rules are typical for a heavily moderated forum. Nothing new, here.

Politeness is enforced.

I did note an odd set of rules with regards to linked-references. Apparently it's frowned upon to post links to outside resources?

That whole section was very unclear to me-- but I could not be bothered to post a question.

I figured I'd play with the place some, and if someone has an issue with my methods? I'd either adapt or leave.

I'm not wedded to this web page all that much, apart from finding good friends I had lost when topix did it's meltdown.

Facebook is where I mostly hang these days, anyway.

But we shall see how this venue goes. So far? I give it a 7 out of 10.

I feel pretty much the same, suck it and see.

I am I, if the mods object to who i am then fair enough, i don't think I'm doing to start accepting deliberate ignorance and lies in the name of a bronze age myth just to post on a forum.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No I don't. I am not sure you understand what s species is. You haven't shown it so far.

Actually? If you wish to remain honest? You most certainly do need to use the word "species" exactly as the Theory Of Evolution describes.

To do otherwise? Is flat out lying. You cannot "disprove" the idea of "species" if you fabricate your own meaning!

But, in my experience, anti-evolution people are rather the opposite of honest... least of all, with themselves.

Oh well.

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

My goodness, you have read 'all' the rules?

I spotted a nice Facebook meme this morning. There is a gang in my neighbourhood who goes around Shanghaiing members by threatening all sorts of nastiness. Anyway enough about church..;-)

Sanmaro seems to be a bit of an ineedaman with a little $$$bull combined. He's really quite pathetic and has no idea who's strings he's trying to pull.

Glad you are getting the hang. It is a wee bit confusing at first, but certainly interesting, I've had more fun her in a few days than on topix in a month. But of course I've been unable to post properly on topix for 3 weeks.. ;-)

SPE (Scotland) just appeared this morning and i asked him to tell me what he's been seeing from his end, also explaining what you have experienced, but oddly enough (for SPE) there hasn't been another post as yet.
I read those rules twice because i like this place and i want to be a good member here. There's a set of ten rules that are fully defined by the guy who founded this site, but i can't find them now... wait - terms and rules at the bottom right... i think i followed my way to that looking for the meaning of DIR, so i wouldn't just blunder right in with a faux pa as my first impression.
So far, my post to sanmario has not resulted in any accusation of a personal attack, but i drove my car up on the sidewalk to hit Paul the Apostle in that post and let sanmario know what i thought of him.

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

Hola. Nice to see you here.

Hey hey the gang's all here!

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Hopefully one day you will learn that someone saying something is not evidence.

Actually, it is.

Here's something I posted on another thread:

"How do we decide which group is correct when one group of people tells us that they had a sensory experience of some type, and another group of people in similar circumstance say that they have not?

"How about if I found myself in a world in which people told me that they could see red and green, but I couldn't. How could I decide whether it was I that could not see something that existed, or if they were seeing things or perpetrating a hoax?

"Easily. I test them. I have two socks that appear identical to me numbered 1 and 2. Then I independently interview a number of people who claim to be able to discern red from green, and ask them to tell me which sock appears red and which appears green to them.

"When I get the same answer from them all, I know that they can see something I can't. When they're unable to come to a consensus and more or less half tell me that sock 1 is red and the other half tell me it's green, I know that they are not seeing any more than I do.

"It's by this same method that I know that the people telling me that they have experienced a god are only experiencing their own minds. They describe multiple gods with multiple personalities, each of which happens to think just like they do."

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Hello, all. I am a new member here but have long posted on Topix and before that on Yahoo. Topix has been in a bit of a decline and I understand they are closing posting off to overseas friends. I came here on the recommendation of one of my friends from there so I will give it a try. I identify myself as a historic Christian, a Buddhist, and a supporter of evidence-based science.

Welcome, Dogen. I think you'll find this more to your liking than Topix. The software and culture are superior.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Hey hey the gang's all here!

Yep. Good to see you here.

Please don't inform the trolls at Topix where we've gone.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The scientific community disagrees. Their interpretation of the evidence says that evolution did and still does occur.

I agree.

Notice that it doesn't matter that I agree. The scientists don't care what either of us thinks about their areas of expertise. We're not in the debate. These side debates we have in venues like this are irrelevant to the scientists.

But their opinions should not be irrelevant to us.

I'm sure you include the several hundred PhDs on this list: Homepage - Dissent From Darwin

Notice they don't care what we think either

But science not only doesn't care what we say, it doesn't care what scientists say either, unless it's to go out of it's way to contradict them as it so often does!

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Hi, Doc! Good to see you thrashing the god-robots in your wonderfully Twain-like style.

"[science] such wholesale returns of conjecture, out of such a trifling investment of fact" (Mark Tawin)

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

I spent a good hour trying to find them-- then it hit me, there is likely an "introduce yourself" section where they are not only outlined, but in detail (which is missing in the ABOUT section).

I did a quick scan-through, and found the rules are typical for a heavily moderated forum. Nothing new, here.

Politeness is enforced.

I did note an odd set of rules with regards to linked-references. Apparently it's frowned upon to post links to outside resources?

That whole section was very unclear to me-- but I could not be bothered to post a question.

I figured I'd play with the place some, and if someone has an issue with my methods? I'd either adapt or leave.

I'm not wedded to this web page all that much, apart from finding good friends I had lost when topix did it's meltdown.

Facebook is where I mostly hang these days, anyway.

But we shall see how this venue goes. So far? I give it a 7 out of 10.

There's a pretty good system for disciplinary action that seems fair enough. You get a fair number of chances to be forgiven before you get really banned. looks like to me you would have to work at it to get permanently banned, but by the time they would ban you for a month, that's pretty much your last chance. It's not bad at all.

 

[ChristineM]

SPE (Scotland) just appeared this morning and i asked him to tell me what he's been seeing from his end, also explaining what you have experienced, but oddly enough (for SPE) there hasn't been another post as yet.
I read those rules twice because i like this place and i want to be a good member here. There's a set of ten rules that are fully defined by the guy who founded this site, but i can't find them now... wait - terms and rules at the bottom right... i think i followed my way to that looking for the meaning of DIR, so i wouldn't just blunder right in with a faux pa as my first impression.
So far, my post to sanmario has not resulted in any accusation of a personal attack, but i drove my car up on the sidewalk to hit Paul the Apostle in that post and let sanmario know what i thought of him.

I've spoke to spe via topix pm, i think he's having the same problems but did not realise it until my message. That's the trouble with underhanded way topix have implemented their ban, a poster does not know they are banned because they can see their own posts, they joust get frustrated because no one is answering.

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

Yep. Good to see you here.

Please don't inform the trolls at Topix where we've gone.

NOPE. I like this place the way it is, but also, i know they wouldn't stand much of a chance here as this is heavily moderated as compared to Topix. Most trolls probably tend to avoid real moderated sites, but none from Topix will ever be invited and i will also remain on Topix as that will tend to hide the fact we are somewhere else. SPE came in with a post this morning, but i've yet to see another, so don't yet know what's happened there.

 

[ChristineM]

Welcome, Dogen. I think you'll find this more to your liking than Topix. The software and culture are superior.

Agreed and the discussions are more cerebral too.

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

I've spoke to spe via topix pm, i think he's having the same problems but did not realise it until my message. That's the trouble with underhanded way topix have implemented their ban, a poster does not know they are banned because they can see their own posts, they joust get frustrated because no one is answering.

I once went on for a month before realizing i was shadow banned. It was spooky to see how there were actually two versions of the same thread, one visible only to me and the other viewed from a greybox, the general public view having gone ina completely different direction than the version viewable only from my permanently shadow banned registered account. It was so spooky that i never went back to look at that account again. No troubles now, though and the Mods gave me a chance after a badly worded post to IB, so no complaints on them for that.
This blanket ban i lay on Trump as it happened not a week after he took office along with his sacking the EPA.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm sure you include the several hundred PhDs on this list: Homepage - Dissent From Darwin

Notice they don't care what we think either

But science not only doesn't care what we say, it doesn't care what scientists say either, unless it's to go out of it's way to contradict them as it so often does!

Origin of species is almost 160 years old, a lot of research and observation has gone in to refining Darwin's work. As the book stands yes, its pretty weak, now, 158 years later evolution is known as fact.

And several hundred scientists out of about 7 million is not evenb worth talking about.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The Transformation of a Young-Earth Creationist

This is the same Morton that gave us Morton's demon, an anthropomorphization of a faith based confirmation bias in the tradition of Descarte's and Maxwell's demons, that antiprocesses unwanted facts away:

From The Talk.Origins Archive Post of the Month: February 2002 :

"When I was a YEC, I had a demon that did similar things for me that Maxwell's demon did for thermodynamics. Morton's demon was a demon who sat at the gate of my sensory input apparatus and if and when he saw supportive evidence coming in, he opened the gate. But if he saw contradictory data coming in, he closed the gate."

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

A polite evolution discussion, including dissenters? Who knew such a thing was possible.

I'll wade in: evolution has been observed, repeatedly, for over 100 years and counting. It's a fact--there is no getting around that, life *evolved* on Planet Earth.

There is a *theory* which purports to explain how life evolved; and it's pretty good at predicting things-- as any good theory should do.

So far, experiment continues to support the theory of evolution's mechanism, and indeed, using that theory, scientists have managed to create artificial life from *dead* cells. Pure, artificial DNA inserted in to non-living cells (having had their nucleus stripped out) caused the cells to behave as if they were alive. It's pretty safe to say they were/are. They reproduce, take up nutrients and excrete waste.

Claiming evolution isn't real, is like saying the sun is a 30 watt light bulb in a dome-shaped "sky"...

Are you Bob of Quantum Faith on another venue?

 

[ChristineM]

I once went on for a month before realizing i was shadow banned. It was spooky to see how there were actually two versions of the same thread, one visible only to me and the other viewed from a greybox, the general public view having gone ina completely different direction than the version viewable only from my permanently shadow banned registered account. It was so spooky that i never went back to look at that account again. No troubles now, though and the Mods gave me a chance after a badly worded post to IB, so no complaints on them for that.
This blanket ban i lay on Trump as it happened not a week after he took office along with his sacking the EPA.

I never got banned, i only ever had one warning and you must admit, i can come on pretty strong. That was the one time i actually swore on topix. It shows a weak mod system that allows the trolls in. I agree with you on the timing of the ban. What tickles me is how muych revenue topix must be loosing from lost advertising, talk about cuting off your noise to spite your face.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Both The Big Bang and Evolutionary Theory have substantiating data and studies supporting them.

What data substantiates the God claim?

The Cambrian Explosion, and the sheer diversity of organisms! Both lend credence to separate creative actions!

 

[ratiocinator]

I'm sure you include the several hundred PhDs on this list: Homepage - Dissent From Darwin

You can tell how desperate they are - a PhD in mechanical engineering!?

Not many Steves: Project Steve