The big bang and the creation of the universe.

[jake0333]

The value of this thread.

There you go.

Next!

Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy):
"I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing."

i guess you are smarter than him too? hawking chooses not to believe but admits that we exist and the universe is governed by phyiscal laws and physical constants.

So why do you care to reponse if you don't have interest in understand cosmology?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

So why do you care to reponse if you don't have interest in understand cosmology?

Because I have an interest in the intellectual dishonesty and ignorance of people who start vapid threads devoid of any value.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

i guess you are smarter than him too? hawking chooses not to believe but admits that we exist and the universe is governed by phyiscal laws and physical constants.

And how does that, in any way, support your argument?

 

[jake0333]

Because I have an interest in the intellectual dishonesty and ignorance of people who start vapid threads devoid of any value.

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA):
"We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in."

Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists):
"This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'."

George Ellis (British astrophysicist):
"Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the
word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word."

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[ImmortalFlame]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

Please read the above page, then stop randomly quoting people as if it means anything.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA):
"We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in."

Julia Child, American cookery expert:
"It is the Americans who have managed to crown minced beef as hamburger, and to send it round the world so that even the fussy French have taken to le boeuf hache, le hambourgaire."

 

[jake0333]

ImmortalFlame , my discussion is on two simple questions that you seem to be unable to answer. this is not about God, but about common sense.

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[ImmortalFlame]

ImmortalFlame , my discussion is on two simple questions that you seem to be unable to answer. this is not about God, but about common sense.

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I gave a perfectly valid response to your question which you have yet to acknowledge. The question is presumptive and based on a false dichotomy and inaccurate understanding of the big bang theory, therefore your question is ill formed.

Are you going to respond to the actual comments or not?

 

[outhouse]

ImmortalFlame , my discussion is on two simple questions that you seem to be unable to answer. this is not about God, but about common sense.

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What about the lack of common sense to keep learning?


What about closed minds that do not wish to further their education levels?


Commen sense states when you ask about "something from nothing" you should actually understand what nothing really is.

Why dont you read Lawrence Krauss book and get back with us?

http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/145162445X

 

[jake0333]

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ImmortalFlame: my discussion is on two simple questions that you seem to be unable to answer. this is not about God, but about common sense.

outhouse: are you correcting your own scientists which said that the big bang is something from nothing? give us your phone number so we can call the media to hear what you have to say about the " something from nothing ".

now they skipped the first part which is something from nothing but by what? God or by nothing also?

So nothing to something by nothing or by God to something by nothing?


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[outhouse]

ImmortalFlame , my discussion is on two simple questions that you seem to be unable to answer. this is not about God, but about common sense.

Do your questions contain common sense?

 

[idav]

ImmortalFlame , my discussion is on two simple questions that you seem to be unable to answer. this is not about God, but about common sense.

So did god create this something from nothing or something else?

 

[outhouse]

.Which makes more sense to you as a rational, intelligent and intellectual human being?
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Neither

you dont understand either concepts to begin to ask questions that dont even relate to science.

1- A nothing that created something from nothing

Your question makes no sense and is not valid. Please provide a credible source that states this is how the big bang hypothesis is defined.

2- God that created something from nothing

Scientifically does a god exist? can anyone even begin to attribute anything??


So far not one aspect of any kind can be attributed to any deity anywhere from any time.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

ImmortalFlame: my discussion is on two simple questions that you seem to be unable to answer. this is not about God, but about common sense.

I have given an answer to your questions multiple times. How much clearer do I have to be? Your question is ill-formed and based on misconceptions and false dichotomies. Allow me to present you with a similar question:

How often do you hit small children?
1) All the time.
2) Most of the time.

When you see what is wrong with the above question, you'll see what is wrong with your post in the OP. Now can you please, for once, try and respond to these legitimate criticisms?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What exactly created god from nothing? God is ostensibly more complex than the universe, so even according to your line of "reasoning," it makes more sense for the universe to come from nothing than an infinitely more complex thing (god) to come from nothing.

Read slowly, and repeat several times to see if you can understand this simple concept.

 

[gnostic]

Another stupid thread.

First, Evolution. Now, the Big Bang.

Neither topics show the poster have any understanding in basic biology, or in astronomical cosmology, but he definitely know how to misrepresent both science, with the use of his belief in a god.

I think a person who don't even bother to read or do proper research in understanding modern biology or modern cosmology should not post anything they don't understand, not unless he or she want to make one's self like a dishonest or ignorant (most likely both) fool.

i guess you are smarter than him too? hawking chooses not to believe but admits that we exist and the universe is governed by phyiscal laws and physical constants.

Believing a creator god...like this abrahamic deity, which Jews called YHWH, Christians called Jesus (because of John's Word), or Muslims called Allah...is about breaking or defying physical laws.

Things like god "creating" or god performing "miracle" is not about physical laws or physical constants, but about the superstitious and the supernatural.

Nothing about "god did it" is natural...and it is certainly not scientific.

How can a deity create something out of nothing be considered natural (involving physical laws) when the belief in such god, by god's very nature, is actually breaking all law of nature?

Miracle and nature (physical laws) don't go together.

God creating the world (as given in Genesis) is nothing more than an ancient creation myth, based on false belief in how the world came to be. And how the world or the universe came to be - through this god of yours - would have nothing to do with the physical laws, but just some superstitious and baseless fantasies, by someone who has no understanding in physics or biology.

I'm not expecting any honest or intelligent reply from you jake, because you didn't bother to reply to my post in your evolution thread.

And BTW, the Big Bang is not a theory that something was created out of nothing; it is actually more like something created something...but I don't think the right word is "create". It would be more precise to say something was "formed" out of something.

 

[Titanic]

I do not buy into the big band theory at all. So there could be more answer's then just these two though. Just sayin. Why not live for the now instead of worrying about thing's we will never solve. I would say at this point it is unknowable.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I do not buy into the big band theory at all. So there could be more answer's then just these two though. Just sayin. Why not live for the now instead of worrying about thing's we will never solve. I would say at this point it is unknowable.

Based on what? What makes you think it's unsolvable? What makes you think that discovering the origin of all matter in the known Universe wouldn't enable us to make tremendous leaps forward scientifically? What makes you think that people trying to figure out some of the largest questions in all of human history through scientific advancement and the investment of their incredible collective intelligence aren't "living in the now"? Do you not think that, maybe, these kinds of questions actually matter and are worth investigating? Do you not possess any scientific curiosity whatsoever?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Based on what? What makes you think it's unsolvable? What makes you think that discovering the origin of all matter in the known Universe wouldn't enable us to make tremendous leaps forward scientifically? What makes you think that people trying to figure out some of the largest questions in all of human history through scientific advancement and the investment of their incredible collective intelligence aren't "living in the now"? Do you not think that, maybe, these kinds of questions actually matter and are worth investigating? Do you not possess any scientific curiosity whatsoever?

Tell me, in one way, how it would enable us to make tremendous leaps forward scientifically? Other than scientific knowledge, I really do not think it'd help us advance in any way other than knowing what actually happened.

It's a curiosity indeed, but not a necessity at all, not worth putting money in and investigating, when we could be exploring biological or anthropological functions to find cures to more diseases or something as more relevant to us than "how did the universe start", because even if we DID find that answer it's still going to be disagreed upon by many people, there's going to be ranges of conspiracy theories, and the only thing it would serve for us is to eliminate that curiosity. I could be wrong, of course, but you'll have to show me how it'd be relevant at all.

 

[Titanic]

I agree with the sum of awe. Also many year's of "searching and looking and seeking" has gone on to try and solve The mystery of how the universe was created. As far as I know it has not been solved. I do not see that changeing any time soon. Our greatest mind's have tried and failed. So really the question is to you, Why do you see it solveable?