The big bang, something from nothing?

[`mud]

And the waves of water......

 

[j1i]

Oh, goodness, I don’t like it when a person pretending to know science, when they cannot grasp the most basic science.

The success proved that the numbers starts from one
God is the first (NUMBER ONE)
And I worship one God

While the Trinity and the sanctification idea of polytheism is a trick

I am not stupid to practice immoral religious practices

You can prove to me, O plaintiff, the science you boast of

I want to treat you with respect
The purpose of the dialogue is to know the opinion of others
You now claim your knowledge of science and I do not know
convinced me how God is three in mathematical engineering or what ever

with respect

note !
Please do not waste my time on accusations
Prove to me that God is three that you are a Christian
Or multi-gods according to your belief
Or lack of God
by math

We said that the numbers start from one (I mean the origin of Existence) and God is the one and from him began creation
There is no doubt that God exists and is one

 

[`mud]

hey J1i,
If everything came from nothing....
wouldn't that mean that your `God`,
came from nothing,
not `1` as you say ?
Ahhh...what came before nothing ?
Just thinking out loud !

 

[j1i]

hey J1i,
If everything came from nothing....
wouldn't that mean that your `God`,
came from nothing,
not `1` as you say ?
Ahhh...what came before nothing ?
Just thinking out loud !

welcome
Do you want to prove that existence came alone without creation?

Is it possible to prove this idea?

If you can not prove if the information you give me is suspicious and not certain

But its proved by scientific evidence that we exist and we have a beginning and the beginning is the number one and this is the creator
My words are scientific and logical

Your words unfortunately are not correct (no evidences)


If there is a difference in two issues
The decision was difficult
We seek the solution closest to our logic

 

[`mud]

hey J1i,
OK...If `God` came some `number` before `1`,
and `He` was inside the `singularity`,
that would mean that `He` was amongst all else,
inside the ethers of the singularity, not `1` in many !
I'll go to the nothingness of the void to be the `God`,
`He` would have been the only beginning, if your right !
`He` would have to been able to create the singularity,
wouldn't `He`, but,`He` was before the `void`, wasn't `He` ?
Now...did `He` create the `void` from where `He` came ?
It does get confusing, doesn't it ?

 

[`mud]

I think we have to modify some of our opinions.
Especially between `God` and `logic`.
Maybe both !

 

[j1i]

hey J1i,
OK...If `God` came some `number` before `1`,
and `He` was inside the `singularity`,
that would mean that `He` was amongst all else,
inside the ethers of the singularity, not `1` in many !
I'll go to the nothingness of the void to be the `God`,
`He` would have been the only beginning, if your right !
`He` would have to been able to create the singularity,
wouldn't `He`, but,`He` was before the `void`, wasn't `He` ?
Now...did `He` create the `void` from where `He` came ?
It does get confusing, doesn't it ?

We talked about existence
You are here, means, you exist
All this existence with all that you imagine and Perceived it has one major beginning
Regardless of the fantasies
This beginning of the whole existence is God

Do remember when we are young we start counting
one two Three

This idea I simply want to explain and believe in

The person accused me of not knowing and knowing nothing

He wants me to change my convictions with one creator so that I can be civilized and educated

am not stupid to change the general rules for fake gods

He does not find God, formed in the form of human beings
This is a cheap way to get people to bondage to humans and worships them

regards

 

[`mud]

J1i,
Keep your bondage to your `God`, but respect me,
that's all I wish for. And respect Earth's Stuff,
in a future time, you will return to it,
but you'll not be aware.
Your spirit will.

regards

 

[gnostic]

The success proved that the numbers starts from one
God is the first (NUMBER ONE)
And I worship one God

While the Trinity and the sanctification idea of polytheism is a trick

I am not stupid to practice immoral religious practices

You can prove to me, O plaintiff, the science you boast of

I want to treat you with respect
The purpose of the dialogue is to know the opinion of others
You now claim your knowledge of science and I do not know
convinced me how God is three in mathematical engineering or what ever

with respect

note !
Please do not waste my time on accusations
Prove to me that God is three that you are a Christian
Or multi-gods according to your belief
Or lack of God
by math

We said that the numbers start from one (I mean the origin of Existence) and God is the one and from him began creation
There is no doubt that God exists and is one

This is all straw man, j1i.

Where in my whole reply did I ever mentioned “one god” or the “trinity”?

All I wrote is that you don’t understand basic science, that’s all.

You’re ranting against something that I didn’t even write about.

Second, I am an agnostic, not a Christian, so I am not for, nor am I against the concept of “three” or the “trinity”, because they are irrelevant to me.

 

[j1i]

This is all straw man, j1i.

Where in my whole reply did I ever mentioned “one god” or the “trinity”?

All I wrote is that you don’t understand basic science, that’s all.

You’re ranting against something that I didn’t even write about.

Second, I am an agnostic, not a Christian, so I am not for, nor am I against the concept of “three” or the “trinity”, because they are irrelevant to me.

On the whole, you are a poor and not a recognized scale tool. What I said about the beginning of Existence start from the logical one and its the third replies you could not responding to and this is proof that you do not have the tools of dialogue.

Note
servants of the Merciful are those who walk humbly on the earth who, when the ignorant people behave insolently towards them, say,"Peace to you"

 

[j1i]

J1i,
Keep your bondage to your `God`, but respect me,
that's all I wish for. And respect Earth's Stuff,
in a future time, you will return to it,
but you'll not be aware.
Your spirit will.

regards

I respect you well. I respect for earth, I know that all creatures have a role in life as well as man.

All I wanted to talk about was the presence of god in a logical manner far from myths and interpretations. I would like to clarify this issue with a clear and concise explanation. I do not know if the definition of divinity has been subjected to a security breach.

The divinity is great not the superior creatures

I oppose nature worship and oppose the worship of the righteous, but respect them, respect nature, respect Jesus, respect Buddha and others, but do not give them the Medal of Divinity

Cows give us milks i thank them but not worshiping them

Lams give us meats and i thank them but not worshiping them

I presented my idea and ended up, you are not obliged to ratify it, but if you oppose me prove to me that your logic is true

Regards

 

[`mud]

hey J1i,
If you start with `0`, that would make some sense.
But, that would make your `God` coming before the singularity.
`He` can't be in with the singularity,
because `He` wouldn't be number one in there...got it ?
So since the `void` is nothingness, `He` would have to be `0`.
But the water was already there, wasn't it ?
So the water would be first, and then your `God`, so in that order,
he would be first, if the water was `0`, but the water was first.
Oh well, an order of imagination anyway, you can be first,
if it makes you happy, I guess `He` did create heaven, didn't `He` ?

 

[ecco]

Do remember when we are young we start counting
one two Three

Evidence of religious indoctrination.

This is a cheap way to get people to bondage to humans and worships them
regards

Failure to recognize the bondage of religious indoctrination.[/QUOTE]

 

[`mud]

hey Ecco,
I think you have a thought there !
Endless Cosmos vs. Big Bang vs. Supreme God vs. Nirvana vs. Brahma vs. Buddha.
That could be a neat thread, or has it been done ?
Maybe I'll try it, or you ? Want to try ?

 

[joelr]

But its proved by scientific evidence that we exist and we have a beginning and the beginning is the number one and this is the creator
My words are scientific and logical

Your words unfortunately are not correct (no evidences)


If there is a difference in two issues
The decision was difficult
We seek the solution closest to our logic

This universe seemed to have a beginning but calling it "number 1" doesn't hold up.
It's possible there is much more to existence than just this universe and where that came from we don't know? If the first thing to exist was a god who existed infinitely then random space and matter could have existed infinitely as well. For something to be infinite there is no reason it has to be a conscious entity we call god.

Another problem is it isn't written anywhere that all of the multiverses follow boolean logic, our system of logic. While our universe has a logical and predictable patterns logic doesn't have to hold up in all realities.

 

[`mud]

hey Joelr,
I see you're getting closer and closer,
but we will never discover the true core of the real truth !

 

[j1i]

This is all straw man, j1i.

Where in my whole reply did I ever mentioned “one god” or the “trinity”?

All I wrote is that you don’t understand basic science, that’s all.

You’re ranting against something that I didn’t even write about.

Second, I am an agnostic, not a Christian, so I am not for, nor am I against the concept of “three” or the “trinity”, because they are irrelevant to me.

I apologize for the abuse
It is true that there are many diverse sciences
But I believe that at least I have true faith and I defend it
God bless you (^_^)

 

[gnostic]

I apologize for the abuse
It is true that there are many diverse sciences
But I believe that at least I have true faith and I defend it
God bless you (^_^)

But it was never your faith that I questioned, j1i.

It was your comment on science that I thought you lack understanding.

You stated to polymath257 that maths and science have been around for millions of years, and then claimed that it was god who created them.

My reply argued that your claims were incorrect, that man created both maths and science and that they are tools invented by men.


There are no evidences that either science or maths existing for millions of years.

 

[ecco]

hey Ecco,
I think you have a thought there !
Endless Cosmos vs. Big Bang vs. Supreme God vs. Nirvana vs. Brahma vs. Buddha.
That could be a neat thread, or has it been done ?
Maybe I'll try it, or you ? Want to try ?

Go for it.

 

[j1i]

This universe seemed to have a beginning but calling it "number 1" doesn't hold up.
It's possible there is much more to existence than just this universe and where that came from we don't know? If the first thing to exist was a god who existed infinitely then random space and matter could have existed infinitely as well. For something to be infinite there is no reason it has to be a conscious entity we call god.

Another problem is it isn't written anywhere that all of the multiverses follow boolean logic, our system of logic. While our universe has a logical and predictable patterns logic doesn't have to hold up in all realities.

Evidence of religious indoctrination.

Failure to recognize the bondage of religious indoctrination.

[/QUOTE]

hey Ecco,
I think you have a thought there !
Endless Cosmos vs. Big Bang vs. Supreme God vs. Nirvana vs. Brahma vs. Buddha.
That could be a neat thread, or has it been done ?
Maybe I'll try it, or you ? Want to try ?

I noticed people because of their belief that the gods had small bodies
They believe that there is raw material in the universe greater and huger than God
Whatever we think about Multiverse Or the presence of massive space objects In the end all this description its a Pieces to complete a pyramid, Only one piece will be on top

Thus the truth of the search for the origin of existence we find that in the latter we find the number one

Natural number start from one It is the way that measure universe
​

The introduction of the method of calculations that start from zero or from the negative or from fractures or from the roots to know God, this is a waste of the compass of the beginning
To make people lose Compass of God (moral confusion)

The belief that the universe recycles itself is like infinity symbol Means that each article (Matter) has the opportunity to be the goddess or dominant on all materials

This is what the liars look for to obtain divinity

These ideas are marketed to encourage people not to stick to ethical principles

Behavioral irregularities will be encouraged because of the lack of divine oversight

Human needs bathroom services and not for garage
If we do not understand the truth of the universe and without evidence then we need to calculate the existence of the whole universe, we must be logical and search in a way that suits logic and wisdom

thanks all
GOD BLESS YOU
WITH RESPECT​

I feel happy For discussion
Thank you