The blind faith of the evolutionists

[FearGod]

One evidence from the quran that the previous creations were extinct by God's decision and that we are (the modern human) made out from the seeds or genes of the previous ones and also the verse is warning that God has the ability to wipe out us (modern human) as he did with the previous ones and to bring again a new creation from the seeds of the present ones.

I wonder isn't it a clear sign that the one saying those words is indeed the creator of this universe as he is in knowledge of the previous creation that gone extinct from the surface of earth and that we(modern human) are related to them.

Doesn't it compatible with our modern findings.

Several translations for verse (6:133)

And thy Sustainer alone is self-sufficient, limitless in His grace. If He so wills, He may put an end to you and thereafter cause whom He wills to succeed you - even as He has brought you into being out of other people's seed.

Thy Lord is the Absolute, the Lord of Mercy. If He will, He can remove you and can cause what He will to follow after you, even as He raised you from the seed of other folk.

Your Lord is Free of all wants; (He is) the Lord of Mercy. If He wants, He can wipe you out, and have another people _ whomever He wants _ succeed you, just as He raised you from the genes of a different nation.

And your Lord is the Free of need, the possessor of mercy. If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people.

Your Lord is the self-sufficient One, the merciful. If He wills, He can take you away and replace you by anyone He pleases, just as He raised you from the offspring of other people.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

Do you think Darwinian evolution is a blind faith ?

No.

 

[gnostic]

FearGod:

You keep bringing with up atheism and atheists with evolution.

Did you that when Charles Darwin embark on his voyage onboard HMS Beagle, his discoveries on different countries, and when he began ordering and piecing together his notes, before publishing his first work - that Darwin was still a Christian?

Even when his stance in religion had changed from Christian to that of agnostic, he wrote in his autobiography that he stated he was never an atheist.

And there are many who had commented and responded to you, are religious, and have no problem accepting evolution as valid explanation to biological process of physical changes to species over period of generations.

It doesn't matter if anyone is religious or not, when presenting a hypothesis (or theory) of any natural or artificial phenomenon, as long as hypothesis or theory is well-documented (and explained the phenomenon in detail), and that the predictions made by the person or people have evidences found, or repeated and rigorously tested support their theory.

If there are evidences to support Natural Selection (NS), then evolution is not based on blind faith.

If you noticed that Natural Selection is describing the "natural" process of changes, and not that of supernatural. Natural as in, the changes occurred over time ("time" as in generations), and directed by natural environment had changed.

To give you an example, if we have a couple (humans, of course), who lived half of their lives in tropical forests, a place where there have been no snow in hundreds of thousands of years. And on both side of the couple, their ancestors have lived in that same region, where the weather and terrain of that region were unchanged. There are plenty of food to eat, and water are plenty. The couple are well-suited in this environment, in this place, physically.

Now, move this same couple, to a region, where the environment is colder, and food and resources are scarce, like the tundra region. Somehow they managed to survive, long enough to start new family, and see their children, grow up to adults, and even see their grandchildren born.

Not only the terrain and climate have changed for them, but also their diet. Unless they have fruit and vegetable shipped to them, they would eat less of them or none at all. In order to survive they now need to eat more meat and consume more fat in their diet.

Physically their children would still be better suited for tropical region too, but their children married to people of tundra region, and start their own families. The couple's grandchildren would be different physically and genetically different to their own, because they are more used to the colder, harsher region, with scarcer food and resources. And their great grandchildren would be better still for the tundra region. The more generations that passed, the more suited for that region, they (descendants) will become.

They are still humans. That has not changed, but genetically, their descendants would be better suited to survive in the tundra than them or their children.
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That's evolution at work.

All of this happen, naturally, not because of any God designing them. The natural process or mechanism of Natural Selection doesn't require "design" or any supernatural divine intervention for it to happen.

And such process don't require people to be thesists or atheists.

Blind faith is believing in something in which you have no evidences for. Faith and belief are nothing more than wishful thinking.

 

[Midnight Rain]

Do you think Darwinian evolution is a blind faith ?

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No. It is a well reasoned, supported and tested theory that is now in the realm of biological fact. All oppositions to evolution have been dealt with and there is currently no secondary theory that is even close to capable of competing with the theory.

Belief in religion or god or spiritual paths are great and internally reflective to each persons's revelations. However the realm of science is dictated by questioning and empiricism. Empiricism and revelation are fully different phenomenon. I cannot take an empirical evidence (most of the time) and use it to counter a revelation I have had. Likewise there is no revelation that can counter empirically derived facts.

 

[gnostic]

I don't think empirical evidence being used to confirm/verify/validate or refute/debunk a hypothesis/theory is relying on blind faith.

Blind faith is one that use faith and belief alone, ignoring evidences.

Darwin wasn't using blind faith when he wrote the Origin of Species in 1859. His voyage on the HMS Beagle in 1831-1836, had allowed him to record his findings and drawing whatever he had observed.

The most interesting of his findings were on the Galápagos Islands, where some animals on one island, were anatomically different to others on another island.

For instance, on some islands, the terrain were gentle, lush with green vegetation, one which tortoises can easily find and reach their food, despite having short necks and legs. They have the usual domed-shape shells. Let's call this island A.

But on the other island (island B), was only just a mile away from one of the islands, (island A), the condition of the island was different: it is more rocky and the climate were drier, so vegetation were fewer than island A. Food for the tortoises were higher off the ground, so if we were to ship a few smaller tortoises (with shorter necks and legs), they would most likely die of starvation in matter of the days.

The tortoises on island B, are called Galápagos giant tortoises (Chelonoidis nigra), and they have long necks, and because of the shape of the shells (known as saddleback shell) are different to the tortoises of the other islands, they can crank their necks in the upright position. More than that, have longer and stronger legs, which give them the ability stand on their hind legs.

This is not blind faith, because after Darwin, many scientists have retraced his steps, and found that Darwin wasn't just making up stories.

This show that different species of tortoises, required one of the group of giant tortoises had to changed (biologically and physically) in order to survive, because they were living in harsher environment than the neighboring islands.

(Note that all images come from Wiki article - Galápagos tortoise.)

 

[Blackmarch]

Do you think Darwinian evolution is a blind faith ?

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ya i'm sure there are some people who put that much faith in it. out of 7-8 billion theres a decent chance someone is going to go that route.
but darwinian theory is not itself a faith but an attempt to explain how something occurred (and a pretty decent one at that, though it could probably use a little updating now).

 

[gnostic]

ya i'm sure there are some people who put that much faith in it. out of 7-8 billion theres a decent chance someone is going to go that route.
but darwinian theory is not itself a faith but an attempt to explain how something occurred (and a pretty decent one at that, though it could probably use a little updating now).

Natural Selection has already been updated.

There are many things that Darwin didn't because of his time (didn't have the technology, for instance). Darwin was a pioneer for evolution, but he wasn't the last.