Sand Dancer
Currently catless
If they would drop the Joseph Smith visions, it wouldn't be so bad. The church is run fairly biblically otherwise. But that doesn't change my earlier post that I don't think the BOM is a good read.
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The Book Of Mormon
- Thread starter Riders
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General Conference is next week. It will be 200 years since Joseph Smith's first vision so they're likely to mention it.
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
There is no need for evidence if Jesus will return. If anything there is no evidence of God, it is hidden from us so He can be while we live out our nature. Passive-believers can go to Heaven before others since they care about religion the most, so do that. The best advice I can give you is to let yourself have belief without knowing, fore if there were no hope then life should stop.
the odds are never on your side when you don’t believe l, and that includes science, don’t risk dis-belief, you might be real, but what if you repeat painful life’s forever? Fate is ever on the side of the believer.
the odds are never on your side when you don’t believe l, and that includes science, don’t risk dis-belief, you might be real, but what if you repeat painful life’s forever? Fate is ever on the side of the believer.
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Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Wow, no. I can't imagine the gospel or the religion without the revelations to Joseph (and subsequent prophets). They have been an immeasurable source of light and direction in my life. Please, let's keep them right where they are!
Audie
Veteran Member
Just save words by saying
Pascale wager.
Or PW. We've heard it enough.
PW will serve.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Oh my, As @Audie pointed out we are all very familiar with Pascal's wager. It is a failed argument. You should look into why.
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
I say belief is a necessary property of life. With faith in life we are eternal, and harm dies.
Yes, but I came up with a Torah pattern based on Pascal's triangle.
I have admin permission to show it.
It seems to me that the Book of Mormon is written in such a prolix style that it's effectively nearly unreadable. At the least it's off-putting.
A long time ago on the old Beliefnet board I rewrote a long passage from it and, with no particular effort and a great gain in clarity, reduced it by more than 30%. I don't say I'd get 30% reduction all the time, but I'd be surprised if I didn't routinely get a lot.
A long time ago on the old Beliefnet board I rewrote a long passage from it and, with no particular effort and a great gain in clarity, reduced it by more than 30%. I don't say I'd get 30% reduction all the time, but I'd be surprised if I didn't routinely get a lot.
You heard wrong.
I've never seen anything. Watchmen, are you Jehovah's Witness? I have respect for them. They know more about the Bible than almost anyone.
You're aware we think there are translation problems with the Bible, right?
In a study with all major branch of Christians, Jews and atheists, my religion knew the most about the Bible.
idea
Question Everything
A few good resources:
www.mormonthink.com
cesletter.org
www.letterformywife.com
I left because of child abuse in the LDS church.
floodlit.org
They are one of the groups who uses elevation to manipulate
en.m.wikipedia.org
It's not the spirit, it's not from god.
This stuff is within all religious groups. We are social creatures, solitary confinement makes inmates insane, we all need to feel we belong, but I encourage everyone to find a group where you keep your mind, are allowed to think, are not required to sustain pedophiles, or pay $$ to billion$$ corporations who pay pennies to charity. Healthy groups are by the people - not by the pope, not by the pro$$it, not by imperfect men - goid groups are a democracy where every vote counts, every voice is valid.
There are good groups out there. Have to embrace self-reliance *not rely on priesthood or any other Messiah complex individuals - we're all just people. If there is a God, a loving just one, that God would not condone evil pro$$it pedophile heirarchies.
Betrayal trauma isn't something I would wish on anyone. It's not the spirit, it isn't from God, it doesn't protect, church leaders are not trustworthy - too many are convicted child molesters. Polygamous mindset isn't just history, it's still going on. Warped marriages.
No church owns family - we all make our own families.
No church owns God. We can all pray - no pope/bishop/racist Polygamous pro$$it needed.
MormonThink: Examining Mormon history and doctrine
Examining Mormon history and doctrine
CES Letter - My Search for Answers to my Mormon Doubts
Letter to a CES Director - Questions and Concerns About Mormonism.
THE LETTER | Letterformywife
I left because of child abuse in the LDS church.
FLOODLIT
Database of 1000+ LDS/Mormon sex abuse case reports, survivor stories, church coverups, lawsuits, settlements, videos, map, ways to raise awareness.
floodlit.org
They are one of the groups who uses elevation to manipulate
Elevation (emotion) - Wikipedia
It's not the spirit, it's not from god.
This stuff is within all religious groups. We are social creatures, solitary confinement makes inmates insane, we all need to feel we belong, but I encourage everyone to find a group where you keep your mind, are allowed to think, are not required to sustain pedophiles, or pay $$ to billion$$ corporations who pay pennies to charity. Healthy groups are by the people - not by the pope, not by the pro$$it, not by imperfect men - goid groups are a democracy where every vote counts, every voice is valid.
There are good groups out there. Have to embrace self-reliance *not rely on priesthood or any other Messiah complex individuals - we're all just people. If there is a God, a loving just one, that God would not condone evil pro$$it pedophile heirarchies.
Betrayal trauma isn't something I would wish on anyone. It's not the spirit, it isn't from God, it doesn't protect, church leaders are not trustworthy - too many are convicted child molesters. Polygamous mindset isn't just history, it's still going on. Warped marriages.
No church owns family - we all make our own families.
No church owns God. We can all pray - no pope/bishop/racist Polygamous pro$$it needed.
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That is their fault and you had the right to leave.A few good resources:
MormonThink: Examining Mormon history and doctrine
Examining Mormon history and doctrine
CES Letter - My Search for Answers to my Mormon Doubts
Letter to a CES Director - Questions and Concerns About Mormonism.
THE LETTER | Letterformywife
I left because of child abuse in the LDS church.
Sorry I've got to go.
No. I’m not JW. I’m an ex-Mormon atheist who was at some of the highest levels of my local congregation. I taught Mormon temple classes, was a missionary, was young men’s President, was Elders Quorum counselor and so on. I know Mormonism inside and out.
Audie
Veteran Member
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
I'm impressed that this thread went over two pages before devolving into an anti-Mormon cork-board. No, seriously. That's actually pretty good. 
Just because something doesn’t jive with Mormonism does not make it “anti-Mormon.” I deal in truth.I'm impressed that this thread went over two pages before devolving into an anti-Mormon cork-board. No, seriously. That's actually pretty good.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Everyone here deals in truth. It's like prison, where everyone is innocent.
As for anti- this or anti-that, I'm sure most of us here have been around the block enough times to tell the difference between good-faith discourse and anti-<fill-in-the-blank> drive-by posts. They bear a common mark; they're not hard to spot. No harm, no foul, though. It's just part of the online forum environment.
As I said, I was genuinely impressed. I've been on other forum platforms where the atmosphere made you feel like a gladiator on the arena floor of the Colosseum—pretty much every time you posted. On those forums a thread would get 5 posts max before good-faith discourse was abandoned in favor of a word brawl. I've not been here long, but so far I've really enjoyed the atmosphere. I've seen relatively little of mean-spiritedness and vitriol. It's not perfect, but it feels as welcoming as I think discussion forums can be.
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