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The Book of Revelation.................
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Bishadi
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What is the 'revealing' that messiah is bringing to mankind?
what is the knowledge that will make each aware with 'understanding'?
Since Jesus did not finish the jewish prophecies, how will messiah raise the fathers to the flesh?
What is the 'revealing' that messiah is bringing to mankind?
The books actual title is actually stated in the first verse The Revelation of Jesus Christ, that is, the unveiling, revealing, and presentation to earth AND heaven (the entities currently in heaven) of the Lord Jesus Christ (Messiah) as king of Kings and lord of Lords. It is spoken of as:
The Word of God,
This prophecy,
And The testimony of Jesus Christ.
what is the knowledge that will make each aware with 'understanding'?
(Can you be more specific)
Since Jesus did not finish the jewish prophecies, how will messiah raise the fathers to the flesh?
Jesus will finish the prophecies which could not be filled by anyone at one time. For example the prophecies said that the Messiah would ride in on a donkey and also come in on the clouds. The prophecies said that the Messiah would be hated by his people and king of his people. There are other contradictions. The only way to fulfill this would be to have the prohecies enacted at 2 different times.
The first coming was that of him riding in on a donkey colt. Next time he will be in the clouds. He was hated by his people the first time, next time he will be their king.
When he returns there are several raisings of the dead. The first to be raised are the 2 witnesses we see in Rev 11. Then we will have the tribes come in from great tribulation and this is mentioned in Rev 14:1-3. Then we see those that came through gret tribulation to receive their white robes (Rev 7:14). Then we will have the 1st resurrection of all those that have lived in Christ. This is mentioned in 1 Cor 15:52 and 1Thess 4:16-17.
The people raised up will be living here on earth in Jerusalem with Jesus himself. These people will live as priests and kings along with the people that have lived through the tribulation period. We will have raised souls and normal souls living together at this time.
Notice there is no mention of ANYONE being rescued out of tribulation by something called a rapture. This is a false doctrine taught by churches to sell some type of fantasy salvation. The book is clear that Israel is sealed and is protected one earth. The saints on the earth are fighting the beast. The only rapture is a one time quick event that simply changes you and takes you to be with Jesus on the earth. And the kingdom of heaven is ON THIS EARTH. God is coming to dwell with mankind (Rev 21:3).
How about chronology? Where does Revelation fit in with the rest of the NT?
The book of Revelation is the climax book of the Bible. It brings together as a focal point all unfulfilled prophecies. The OT prophets talk about this time. The book does not describe in depth certain things though. For example it mentions Babylon the great has fallen, but does not tell us much about Babylon itself. Or the book talks briefly about a temple (11:2), but does not say much about the temple. The way to know more about Revelation is to go back and read the OT. When you read Isaiah and Hosea and Jeremiah they always use a term such as after those days or in those times which is referring to this final time of Revelation. The old prophets describe the Final temple (Ezekiel 40-48). They describe who will build the temple (Zecchariah 6). They tell us about what Babylon is like in this time (Jeremiah 50-51). They describe what life will be like (Isaiah 65). We must pay attention to these prophets so we can see what Revelation is saying.
In other words all the prophecies that have not come to fulfillment yet are going to happen as described in Revelation. You must go back to the OT if you truly want to understand the book of Revelation. Not all the OT, but the prophecies.
Lastly - some minor points...
The tribulation period is only 3 ½ years. There is no 7 year period of tribulation.
There is no rapture to safety in the middle of this period. Your safety is in God and his Holy Spirit to guide you.
The books actual title is actually stated in the first verse The Revelation of Jesus Christ, that is, the unveiling, revealing, and presentation to earth AND heaven (the entities currently in heaven) of the Lord Jesus Christ (Messiah) as king of Kings and lord of Lords. It is spoken of as:
The Word of God,
This prophecy,
And The testimony of Jesus Christ.
what is the knowledge that will make each aware with 'understanding'?
(Can you be more specific)
Since Jesus did not finish the jewish prophecies, how will messiah raise the fathers to the flesh?
Jesus will finish the prophecies which could not be filled by anyone at one time. For example the prophecies said that the Messiah would ride in on a donkey and also come in on the clouds. The prophecies said that the Messiah would be hated by his people and king of his people. There are other contradictions. The only way to fulfill this would be to have the prohecies enacted at 2 different times.
The first coming was that of him riding in on a donkey colt. Next time he will be in the clouds. He was hated by his people the first time, next time he will be their king.
When he returns there are several raisings of the dead. The first to be raised are the 2 witnesses we see in Rev 11. Then we will have the tribes come in from great tribulation and this is mentioned in Rev 14:1-3. Then we see those that came through gret tribulation to receive their white robes (Rev 7:14). Then we will have the 1st resurrection of all those that have lived in Christ. This is mentioned in 1 Cor 15:52 and 1Thess 4:16-17.
The people raised up will be living here on earth in Jerusalem with Jesus himself. These people will live as priests and kings along with the people that have lived through the tribulation period. We will have raised souls and normal souls living together at this time.
Notice there is no mention of ANYONE being rescued out of tribulation by something called a rapture. This is a false doctrine taught by churches to sell some type of fantasy salvation. The book is clear that Israel is sealed and is protected one earth. The saints on the earth are fighting the beast. The only rapture is a one time quick event that simply changes you and takes you to be with Jesus on the earth. And the kingdom of heaven is ON THIS EARTH. God is coming to dwell with mankind (Rev 21:3).
How about chronology? Where does Revelation fit in with the rest of the NT?
The book of Revelation is the climax book of the Bible. It brings together as a focal point all unfulfilled prophecies. The OT prophets talk about this time. The book does not describe in depth certain things though. For example it mentions Babylon the great has fallen, but does not tell us much about Babylon itself. Or the book talks briefly about a temple (11:2), but does not say much about the temple. The way to know more about Revelation is to go back and read the OT. When you read Isaiah and Hosea and Jeremiah they always use a term such as after those days or in those times which is referring to this final time of Revelation. The old prophets describe the Final temple (Ezekiel 40-48). They describe who will build the temple (Zecchariah 6). They tell us about what Babylon is like in this time (Jeremiah 50-51). They describe what life will be like (Isaiah 65). We must pay attention to these prophets so we can see what Revelation is saying.
In other words all the prophecies that have not come to fulfillment yet are going to happen as described in Revelation. You must go back to the OT if you truly want to understand the book of Revelation. Not all the OT, but the prophecies.
Lastly - some minor points...
The tribulation period is only 3 ½ years. There is no 7 year period of tribulation.
There is no rapture to safety in the middle of this period. Your safety is in God and his Holy Spirit to guide you.
The authorship according to Bullinger is "by almost unanimous consent of the early church writers is ascribed to the close of the reign of the emperor Domitian, about AD 96. At the time of the so called "second general persecution" of the Christians.
To whom it was sent is unkown.
It was the last book written.
To whom it was sent is unkown.
It was the last book written.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Yes, Revelations is believed to have been written between 90 and 100 CE.
However, at least four books of the Bible came later.
Gospel of John 90- 100 CE
2 Peter 100-125 CE
1,2,3 John 100 CE
(Source, The Denver Catholic Biblical School Program)
Tumbleweed - I'll post what Bullinger says...he places the writings of Peter at 60 AD. He says they cannot pinpoint 1John.
Here is a link to the bullinger bible you might find very useful with his comments. As far as when the writing are it seems that OT writings are just as needed and valid as any of the writings sicne they are all truthful and some yet to have happened.
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Here is a link to the bullinger bible you might find very useful with his comments. As far as when the writing are it seems that OT writings are just as needed and valid as any of the writings sicne they are all truthful and some yet to have happened.
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Bishadi
Active Member
Hello,
I asked a clear question
What is the 'revealing' that messiah is bringing to mankind? and you said
But that ain’t the ‘revealing’.
As it seems the revealing is the ‘name’………………. Rev 2: 17He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: To him who is overcoming, I will give to him to eat from the hidden manna, and will give to him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, that no one knew except him who is receiving [it] .
As then it seems with the truth of understanding, then each can be aware of the ‘revelation’ as promised to all mankind.
I asked this question
what is the knowledge that will make each aware with 'understanding'?
And you asked
I asked
Since Jesus did not finish the jewish prophecies, how will messiah raise the fathers to the flesh?
And you said
John 14 16and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;
17the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
Seems Jesus himself was suggesting ‘another’ will come…… (to be born)
As since the prophecies were not completed, then Jesus was not Messiah as he as a man is in the earth while his 'gifts' still live.
rev 12: 5and she brought forth a male child, who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, and caught away was her child unto God and His throne
And in rev 14: 1 And I saw, and lo, a Lamb having stood upon the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=14&version=15
(note I posted the source for any to cross reference)
what that shares in another HUMAN being with have the NAME (knowledge) and it will be shared to them of truth (upon THEIR heads)
(it is one of the items many do not realize; that some think the name upon the forehead is the bad stuff, when in other areas it says clearly, the 144K.... HAVE THE NAME upon their foreheads )
A new child is BORN just as the true Jerusalem or zion (per se) has never existed
rev 21 2and I, John, saw the holy city -- new Jerusalem -- coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband;
read the chapter; that city has never been on this earth and if you really want to know about where much of the rev 21 terminology came from read more tanach
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/tan/job028.htm Iyov Chapt 28
notice the terminology and then I ask, what is the meaning to the chapter as both my questions and that chapter are quite relevant
(all truth is bound with 2 feet on the ground)
I asked a clear question
What is the 'revealing' that messiah is bringing to mankind? and you said
But that ain’t the ‘revealing’.
As it seems the revealing is the ‘name’………………. Rev 2: 17He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: To him who is overcoming, I will give to him to eat from the hidden manna, and will give to him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, that no one knew except him who is receiving [it] .
As then it seems with the truth of understanding, then each can be aware of the ‘revelation’ as promised to all mankind.
I asked this question
what is the knowledge that will make each aware with 'understanding'?
And you asked
Which shares to me, that perhaps the book of revelations is not your best subject but you appear well versed in religious beliefs as they are taught, rather than the words written
I asked
Since Jesus did not finish the jewish prophecies, how will messiah raise the fathers to the flesh?
And you said
perhaps because Jesus was not messiah as HE said
John 14 16and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;
17the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
Seems Jesus himself was suggesting ‘another’ will come…… (to be born)
As since the prophecies were not completed, then Jesus was not Messiah as he as a man is in the earth while his 'gifts' still live.
Did you read Rev 12? What did them 2 prophesize?
rev 12: 5and she brought forth a male child, who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, and caught away was her child unto God and His throne
And in rev 14: 1 And I saw, and lo, a Lamb having stood upon the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=14&version=15
(note I posted the source for any to cross reference)
what that shares in another HUMAN being with have the NAME (knowledge) and it will be shared to them of truth (upon THEIR heads)
(it is one of the items many do not realize; that some think the name upon the forehead is the bad stuff, when in other areas it says clearly, the 144K.... HAVE THE NAME upon their foreheads )
the ‘great city’ will be destroyed as well Jesus is not coming back.
A new child is BORN just as the true Jerusalem or zion (per se) has never existed
rev 21 2and I, John, saw the holy city -- new Jerusalem -- coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband;
read the chapter; that city has never been on this earth and if you really want to know about where much of the rev 21 terminology came from read more tanach
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/tan/job028.htm Iyov Chapt 28
notice the terminology and then I ask, what is the meaning to the chapter as both my questions and that chapter are quite relevant
I agree, just as no Messiah is magically appearing but as any human being; born by women upon the earth.
(all truth is bound with 2 feet on the ground)
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(Your Quotes in italics)...
As then it seems with the truth of understanding, then each can be aware of the revelation as promised to all mankind.
This revelation, as promised to all mankind, is what I posted. All feet shall bow. All will know Christ is king of kings. How many other evelations do we need to know? That the guy has a new name? So what?
I asked this question
what is the knowledge that will make each aware with 'understanding'?
Which shares to me, that perhaps the book of revelations is not your best subject but you appear well versed in religious beliefs as they are taught, rather than the words written
What do you mean what is the knowledge that will make each with understanding? The knowledge is and has always been his Word. I still do not know where you are going with this question and this one misunderstanding has nothing to do with my knowledge of the book. It means I do not understand YOU. It IS my best subject.
I asked Since Jesus did not finish the jewish prophecies, how will messiah raise the fathers to the flesh?
perhaps because Jesus was not messiah as HE said
John 14 16and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;
Seems Jesus himself was suggesting another will come
There is no man that can fulfill ALL prophecies at any one time. It takes more than one time to do this. You act like you know about these prophecies but I question if you have really studied them and know what you are talking about. Let me show you what I am talking about
How is the Messiah going to lead Israel to greatness, while at the same time the Messiah is to be rejected by Israel?
How is the Messiah going to be the ultimate conqueror, yet also be killed in weakness?
How is the Messiah going to usher in world peace (by destroying the wicked), when Israel herself is wicked (incurably ill, and desperately wickedsaid Jeremiah)?
How is the Messiah going to come on clouds and on a donkey at the same time?
How is Messiah going to come from the line of David (tribe of Judah) and from Levi at the same time?
The two contrasting descriptions/roles apply to the same messianic figure, but will be fulfilled in DIFFERENT times (or circumstances)
Also, the verses you are qutoing from John (The Comforter) are referencing the Holy Spirit. When he says this one will remain with you through the age he is referring to the gift of receiving the Holy Spirt. This gets complicated since many do not understand who or what the Holy Spirit actually is.
Did you read Rev 12? What did them 2 prophesize?
rev 12: 5and she brought forth a male child, who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, and caught away was her child unto God and His throne
And in rev 14: 1 And I saw, and lo, a Lamb having stood upon the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;
Chapter 11 and ch. 12 have nothing to do with each other. Chapter 12 is a recap of what happened in the time of Israel and how Satan has tried to stalk Israel. The woman in Ch. 12 IS Israel. The male child she brought forth IS JESUS who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron.
The 144,000 is also ISRAEL, coming out of great tribulation after being sealed.
But I do not understand your point regardless.
the great city will be destroyed as well Jesus is not coming back.
A new child is BORN just as the true Jerusalem or zion (per se) has never existed
We can agree to disagree here, but scripture is clear on this. There will be what is called 1,000 years of peace finally in Jerusalem. This is how it is described
Isa 2:2 And it shall be in the last days, the mountain of the house of Jehovah shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow into it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come and let us go up to the mount of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob. And He will teach from His ways, and we will walk in His paths. For out of Zion the Law will go forth, and the Word of Jehovah from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And He shall judge among the nations and shall rebuke many people. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, nor shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:1 But it shall be in the end of the days, the mountain of the house of Jehovah shall be established on the top of the mountains; and it shall be lifted up from the hills; and peoples shall flow on it.
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, and to the house of the God of Jacob. And He will teach us from His ways, and we will walk in His paths. For the Law shall go forth out of Zion, and the Word of Jehovah from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And He shall judge between many peoples, and will decide for strong nations afar off. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, nor shall they learn war still.
As then it seems with the truth of understanding, then each can be aware of the revelation as promised to all mankind.
This revelation, as promised to all mankind, is what I posted. All feet shall bow. All will know Christ is king of kings. How many other evelations do we need to know? That the guy has a new name? So what?
I asked this question
what is the knowledge that will make each aware with 'understanding'?
Which shares to me, that perhaps the book of revelations is not your best subject but you appear well versed in religious beliefs as they are taught, rather than the words written
What do you mean what is the knowledge that will make each with understanding? The knowledge is and has always been his Word. I still do not know where you are going with this question and this one misunderstanding has nothing to do with my knowledge of the book. It means I do not understand YOU. It IS my best subject.
I asked Since Jesus did not finish the jewish prophecies, how will messiah raise the fathers to the flesh?
perhaps because Jesus was not messiah as HE said
John 14 16and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;
Seems Jesus himself was suggesting another will come
There is no man that can fulfill ALL prophecies at any one time. It takes more than one time to do this. You act like you know about these prophecies but I question if you have really studied them and know what you are talking about. Let me show you what I am talking about
How is the Messiah going to lead Israel to greatness, while at the same time the Messiah is to be rejected by Israel?
How is the Messiah going to be the ultimate conqueror, yet also be killed in weakness?
How is the Messiah going to usher in world peace (by destroying the wicked), when Israel herself is wicked (incurably ill, and desperately wickedsaid Jeremiah)?
How is the Messiah going to come on clouds and on a donkey at the same time?
How is Messiah going to come from the line of David (tribe of Judah) and from Levi at the same time?
The two contrasting descriptions/roles apply to the same messianic figure, but will be fulfilled in DIFFERENT times (or circumstances)
Also, the verses you are qutoing from John (The Comforter) are referencing the Holy Spirit. When he says this one will remain with you through the age he is referring to the gift of receiving the Holy Spirt. This gets complicated since many do not understand who or what the Holy Spirit actually is.
Did you read Rev 12? What did them 2 prophesize?
rev 12: 5and she brought forth a male child, who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, and caught away was her child unto God and His throne
And in rev 14: 1 And I saw, and lo, a Lamb having stood upon the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;
Chapter 11 and ch. 12 have nothing to do with each other. Chapter 12 is a recap of what happened in the time of Israel and how Satan has tried to stalk Israel. The woman in Ch. 12 IS Israel. The male child she brought forth IS JESUS who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron.
The 144,000 is also ISRAEL, coming out of great tribulation after being sealed.
But I do not understand your point regardless.
the great city will be destroyed as well Jesus is not coming back.
A new child is BORN just as the true Jerusalem or zion (per se) has never existed
We can agree to disagree here, but scripture is clear on this. There will be what is called 1,000 years of peace finally in Jerusalem. This is how it is described
Isa 2:2 And it shall be in the last days, the mountain of the house of Jehovah shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow into it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come and let us go up to the mount of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob. And He will teach from His ways, and we will walk in His paths. For out of Zion the Law will go forth, and the Word of Jehovah from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And He shall judge among the nations and shall rebuke many people. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, nor shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:1 But it shall be in the end of the days, the mountain of the house of Jehovah shall be established on the top of the mountains; and it shall be lifted up from the hills; and peoples shall flow on it.
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, and to the house of the God of Jacob. And He will teach us from His ways, and we will walk in His paths. For the Law shall go forth out of Zion, and the Word of Jehovah from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And He shall judge between many peoples, and will decide for strong nations afar off. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, nor shall they learn war still.
Millennial Temple Order of Service
Since there is going to be a physical temple built in the land of Israel, as the book of Ezekiel expressly shows, then there demands an order of service for what needs to be done in this temple. These ordinances, statutes and laws are specifically written out in Ezekiel chapters 43-46, and will now be shown in this section in the order written in Ezekiel:
1) Ezekiel 43:18-27 specifies the ordinances for Consecrating the Altar
2) Ezekiel 44:1-9 specifies the laws of Admittance into the Temple
3) Ezekiel 44:10-31 shows ordinances for Ministers of the Temple
4) Ezekiel 45:9-14 discusses laws of Economics in the Temple
5) Ezekiel 45:13-16 specifies the Ordinances for the Prince
6) Ezekiel 45:17-46:15 discusses the Worship System in Keeping the Feasts
7) Ezekiel 46:19-24 discusses the Preparation of Offerings
rev 21 2and I, John, saw the holy city -- new Jerusalem -- coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband;
read the chapter; that city has never been on this earth and if you really want to know about where much of the rev 21 terminology came from read more tanach
What you are describing in 21:3 is the time period AFTER the 1,000 years of millenaial peace on this earth. After 1,000 years there is a last reckoning and finally Jerusalem is totally destroyed with fire as well as the whole earth with a cleansing. Then we see the finla restin place of God on this EARTH! Again, Rev 21:3 is AFTER all things are done.
I agree, just as no Messiah is magically appearing but as any human being; born by women upon the earth.
You can believe what you want to believe, but your belief is probably rooted in religious dogma. You seem to be from a non-christian background, and that is okay. However, if you are using oral interpretations from men, who had and have an agenda to change and pervert the word of God, and if you deny the true Messiah, the one that came to die as the perfect sacrifice allowing you to not need a Levite priest anymore, then we can agree to disagree on who the Messiah is.
As fas as Revelation, I am just getting warmed up. Feel free to ask more questions.
Since there is going to be a physical temple built in the land of Israel, as the book of Ezekiel expressly shows, then there demands an order of service for what needs to be done in this temple. These ordinances, statutes and laws are specifically written out in Ezekiel chapters 43-46, and will now be shown in this section in the order written in Ezekiel:
1) Ezekiel 43:18-27 specifies the ordinances for Consecrating the Altar
2) Ezekiel 44:1-9 specifies the laws of Admittance into the Temple
3) Ezekiel 44:10-31 shows ordinances for Ministers of the Temple
4) Ezekiel 45:9-14 discusses laws of Economics in the Temple
5) Ezekiel 45:13-16 specifies the Ordinances for the Prince
6) Ezekiel 45:17-46:15 discusses the Worship System in Keeping the Feasts
7) Ezekiel 46:19-24 discusses the Preparation of Offerings
rev 21 2and I, John, saw the holy city -- new Jerusalem -- coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband;
read the chapter; that city has never been on this earth and if you really want to know about where much of the rev 21 terminology came from read more tanach
What you are describing in 21:3 is the time period AFTER the 1,000 years of millenaial peace on this earth. After 1,000 years there is a last reckoning and finally Jerusalem is totally destroyed with fire as well as the whole earth with a cleansing. Then we see the finla restin place of God on this EARTH! Again, Rev 21:3 is AFTER all things are done.
I agree, just as no Messiah is magically appearing but as any human being; born by women upon the earth.
You can believe what you want to believe, but your belief is probably rooted in religious dogma. You seem to be from a non-christian background, and that is okay. However, if you are using oral interpretations from men, who had and have an agenda to change and pervert the word of God, and if you deny the true Messiah, the one that came to die as the perfect sacrifice allowing you to not need a Levite priest anymore, then we can agree to disagree on who the Messiah is.
As fas as Revelation, I am just getting warmed up. Feel free to ask more questions.
Bishadi
Active Member
God requires no bowing!
That is not a revelation, that is a likening to a zeus or pharoah
The promise was that mankind will understand 'life' and how to live forever in the pure comprehension of God, not the ideals of some dude on a thrown with a magic wand. As that WILL NOT grant equality to all mankind, as promised!
Did you forget, the man (messiah) who brings the truth eventually dies and the people are given the tools for Peace?
To know revelations you must know Torah and it seems the combining of knowledge between the sects is what you are missing to comprehend what is being shared. Point being, each item i am pointing out is all within the bible (OT NT)
Never said 'all' prophecies, just the ones of messiah. (knowledge of life, raising the dead, revealing the name)
The folks of midtrash, trashed much of what people believe. For example, the babylon of the OT has been written to 'confuse' (read etymology of the word babylon)...........
the reality is it is babilu, which means 'the gate of the gods'...........and that IS jerusalem (the gate)
as the mount is what the word megiddo means (the mount is the what all three religions of abraham are bound to)
and the mount is what the jews of the state called israel want to rebuild a temple and the war of wars will be because of that fight by the city of babylon (the beasts of corruption)
What scipture are you referring too
Now you talkin!
By enabling the people (mankind) with the name (truth of existence), in which ALL religions are to be over and 'we the people' become judges unto mankind. (first to last, last to first)......................
We are God's children (house of israel) not the religious claim of a sect, belief.
Anyone can sit on a donkey, and perhaps one day people will await messiah to fly into one town from another on an 'airplane'.
Perhaps you are from David and your wife from Judah................. how many people you know on earth who have their bloodline from them days to now?
If you understand 'turn the other cheek'...then you understand holy spirit but don't know it.
If you understand 'evolution' (transmutation of species), then you know the holy spirit of darwin.
Knowledge transcends time by words. They gave, you learned and can understand; you have observed the spirit. (know it is HOLY, when the progression of EVOLVING knowledge combines into the 'book of life' .........which is what performs understanding all grounded to the last 'word' (the math sharing the process as it exactly works)
Funny comment as well 'less than'
that issy now existing (in palestine)..... will be returned to 'thickets'
the "zion" is yet to be seen by most any walking on this earth (not until post wwIII)
That is correct.......
Good stuff
Taos NM...... the untouched land behind the pueblo, within the 2 rings of mountains (shamballa)........... is held untouched by 'the keepers of the land'
The reason for the rings and elevation is because it has its own water and to divert the nuclear fallout from the coming war. (but the pure untouched land is yet to be known to the religions as each claim their place, when to know the pyramids on each continent, they have provided the evidence of the mountain of snow)
you may have to see it to know it............. but be careful about trying to go into the canyons (blue lake) as the locals will stop you (they are the keepers and known as the last but will be given their true identity (the red of the four colors of mankind)
as for palestine and jerusalem; this has been cursed with blood running thru its streets for 1000's of yrs...... that land will be return to the hoofed animals (the corruption of the religions will be soon over)
Bishadi
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notice the post above and then read what is said in Hebrews 13
thought it fair to offer scripture to back up most of what is being said
the taos comment is my own based on my own cross referencing and actual experience
thought i would allow you and others to see what i based my observance on and then from there each can think for themselves
as no one speaks 'for GOD'
we can only try very hard not to be in 'false witness' just to be accepted
every line i am posting is grounded and makes perfect sense while maintaining as much integrity to God, truth and reality as possible.
(had to put up the disclosure) being responsible for my actions!
Bishadi...
9with teachings manifold and strange be not carried about, for [it is] good that by grace the heart be confirmed, not with meats, in which they who were occupied were not profited;
10we have an altar, of which to eat they have no authority who the tabernacle are serving,
11for of those beasts whose blood is brought for sin into the holy places through the chief priest -- of these the bodies are burned without the camp.
12Wherefore, also Jesus -- that he might sanctify through [his] own blood the people -- without the gate did suffer;
9with teachings manifold and strange be not carried about, for [it is] good that by grace the heart be confirmed, not with meats, in which they who were occupied were not profited;
10we have an altar, of which to eat they have no authority who the tabernacle are serving,
11for of those beasts whose blood is brought for sin into the holy places through the chief priest -- of these the bodies are burned without the camp.
12Wherefore, also Jesus -- that he might sanctify through [his] own blood the people -- without the gate did suffer;
What are you saying this says? I did not understand why you posted this.
9with teachings manifold and strange be not carried about, for [it is] good that by grace the heart be confirmed, not with meats, in which they who were occupied were not profited;
10we have an altar, of which to eat they have no authority who the tabernacle are serving,
11for of those beasts whose blood is brought for sin into the holy places through the chief priest -- of these the bodies are burned without the camp.
12Wherefore, also Jesus -- that he might sanctify through [his] own blood the people -- without the gate did suffer;
9with teachings manifold and strange be not carried about, for [it is] good that by grace the heart be confirmed, not with meats, in which they who were occupied were not profited;
10we have an altar, of which to eat they have no authority who the tabernacle are serving,
11for of those beasts whose blood is brought for sin into the holy places through the chief priest -- of these the bodies are burned without the camp.
12Wherefore, also Jesus -- that he might sanctify through [his] own blood the people -- without the gate did suffer;
What are you saying this says? I did not understand why you posted this.
Bishadi
Active Member
WOW! You do not understand this because most of what was posted are the words from bible............. not preachers!
#9.... with teachings manifold and strange be not carried about
that your whole post about rebuilding the temple is wrong!
'be not carried out' as the heart is where to know ISRAEL (people of God).........not by (meat) building a temple
#11....of those beasts whose blood is brought for sin into the holy places through the chief priest
the city of jerusalem is ugly by the corruption of religion (blood upon their hands)
#12.....also Jesus -- that he might sanctify through [his] own blood the people -- without the gate did suffer
Jesus had nothing of good within Jerusalem (the gate) as they turned against 'truth'
I was sharing that what you are trying to convey about Jesus, the messiah and jerusalem is incorrect and all easily found within the scriptures.
The difference between you and i, are that you follow the teachings of preachers rather than the book held in your hand while making the claims.
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Listen Bishadi....your assumptions are DEAD WRONG. First of all I know no preachers, do not go to church, and your little condescending attitude really sucks. I was rasied a Jew and then one day I woke up to the dogma I had been living in all my life. I realized they were wrong. I see you have not woken up yet.
Second of all when I said I understand where you are coming from earlier it does not mean I agree with you AT ALL. It simply means that YOU are the one trying to explain to me a DOGMA based on YOUR religion's treacings. You are speaking to us here from a Talmudic ar Kabbalic dogma and that does not fly with me.
Thirdly you are trying to put into a figurative interpretation of scripture THAT IS DEFINITELY LITERAL. You are trying to be a poet when literalism is required. There is a church and temple of the Messiah that is spiritual. However, there would not be 9 chapters in Ezekiel telling us how to build the 1,000 year millennial temple if it was of spirit only. After 1,000 years after the Messiah is on the earth the church DOES become spiritual. But when Messiah comes there is going to be a temple. See Zecchariah 6. You have not studied the prophets or you would know what I am talking about.
Now, you accuse me of not answering your questions, BUT YOU HAVE NOT READ ONE WORD OF ANY POST I HAVE WRITTEN AND HAVE NOT ADDRESSED ONE ISSUE I HAVE WRITTEN. You look right over the top of my psots.
You have your head so far in the sand I don't think we can chat. And you obviously deny Jesus as the Messiah and that tells me you have not "GOTTEN IT".
Keep your snide condescending remarks away from me. You have no clue as to who I am and what I know about scriopture. And your DOGMA is from other men - not the scriptures.
If you want to continue this chat with me go read my posts and address them. Your interpreations are way off.
Second of all when I said I understand where you are coming from earlier it does not mean I agree with you AT ALL. It simply means that YOU are the one trying to explain to me a DOGMA based on YOUR religion's treacings. You are speaking to us here from a Talmudic ar Kabbalic dogma and that does not fly with me.
Thirdly you are trying to put into a figurative interpretation of scripture THAT IS DEFINITELY LITERAL. You are trying to be a poet when literalism is required. There is a church and temple of the Messiah that is spiritual. However, there would not be 9 chapters in Ezekiel telling us how to build the 1,000 year millennial temple if it was of spirit only. After 1,000 years after the Messiah is on the earth the church DOES become spiritual. But when Messiah comes there is going to be a temple. See Zecchariah 6. You have not studied the prophets or you would know what I am talking about.
Now, you accuse me of not answering your questions, BUT YOU HAVE NOT READ ONE WORD OF ANY POST I HAVE WRITTEN AND HAVE NOT ADDRESSED ONE ISSUE I HAVE WRITTEN. You look right over the top of my psots.
You have your head so far in the sand I don't think we can chat. And you obviously deny Jesus as the Messiah and that tells me you have not "GOTTEN IT".
Keep your snide condescending remarks away from me. You have no clue as to who I am and what I know about scriopture. And your DOGMA is from other men - not the scriptures.
If you want to continue this chat with me go read my posts and address them. Your interpreations are way off.
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Bishadi
Active Member
So i guess i am educating you in my sleep? Cool! :areyoucra
I am not a dogma kind of guy and that is why we are bumping heads.
You believe in more dogma than reading the scriptures and understanding what they say. This section is a scriptural debate section on the forum.
You are using beliefs over the words of the books.
Funny part is when you go back and forth from OT and NT but not really up to speed on either as you have a picture in your mind and can't let it go. (ar ya still sleeping lil fella)
me only reading and addressing what i can actually experience and understand..... seems to me if you gonna hold a book and claim you have the answers, it is best to comprehend the book you are holding
there are temples all over the world............... Are you suggesting your messiah is different that the world populations' messiah?
So now you leaning on OT about a temple, for a messiah, that you believe already came and has been gone 2k years........... geeze :sorry1:
The thread is on the book of revelations and you can't get past the fact Jesus was not messiah, when the majority of rev is about the future; the coming of messiah
What is there to get; you believe in something as prescribed by religious interpretations, i like to observe the literature that 'created' them beliefs and use honesty, compassion and Love to measure truth. I don't use preachers to tell me how to think!
i only know you by what you do and represent and it ain't good.
Sorry, quite the opposite, little i share is taught by others. Each item you read from me is what i have learned within the texts.
See how you work; you like interpretations by men rather than the literature any can find within the religious books.
Notice the heading of the section; we debate scripture here
"you ain't got no legs, Lt. Dan"
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