The brain and the eye

[ellenjanuary]

Photo receptor. Nerve bundle. Yikes! It's God!

You know what I got, right here? Windows 7. Did you know that, if I assembled a crack team of nerds, programmers, and theorists; we could not build Windows 7 from scratch?

Oh no! It's God! In only twenty years!

Kids...

 

[Valjean]

If we look through Nature we can find examples of every stage of brain and eye development as species gradually become more complex, and you can Google eye evolution, Sum of Awe, and you'll get more explanatory hits than you can shake a stick at.

 

[Vendetta]

I study Neuropsychology and the fraction of our brain myth is well a myth. When you move, grab things, read the newspaper at the same time you are using all this.

 

[McBell]

So this topic is under science versus religion?

Yes.
Yes it is.

It begins by pointing to misconception and then saying God doesn't exist?

Nope.
Not at all.
Perhaps you should actually read what is actually written in the OP and give it another try?

But to say God doesn't exist because someone made an error in what he believes?....no.

Who said that?
I mean, who IN THIS THREAD has said that?

Just for fun.....I'm going to toss an idea in favor of error....

Jesus had a misconception.....'the eye is the light of the body'.....

Now..... does that mean .....God does not exist?
If the Son of Man can error...does that disprove God?

(careful...the angels will be watching this one)

Jesus was a misconception?
What, was Joseph the one supposed to get pregnant with Jesus?

See how much fun I can have by following your example..?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

A theist told me today that, "The brain and eye are so complex that even evolution over 4 billion years can't comprehend."

So I looked into it and the brain is very, very complex, along with the eye.

Now, if you are like many, you will say "Just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean God exists... The Greeks couldn't understand lightening and they made Zeus, although now we know it."

But it's not that we do not understand it, it's just that how is such a complex thing built in with us?

I think people who criticize evolution based on something like the complexity of the eye, should focus on learning the basics of evolution before tackling the big stuff.

 

[Valjean]

and then there is design, as well. You'd think an all powerful God would have better engineering skill than to put the wires on the front of the photoreceptors, (a mistake He didn't make on squids or octopusses -- what's up with that?)

 

[David M]

I study Neuropsychology and the fraction of our brain myth is well a myth. When you move, grab things, read the newspaper at the same time you are using all this.

I have read that the source of this myth is that only 10% of the brain is taken up by the neurons themselves, the rest is the glial cells, connective tissues, blood vessels etc.

So while it may be technically true that we only use 10% of our brain we can't use any more than 10% of your brain as that is all the neurons that we have.

 

[Looncall]

A human life is a century; a civilization may last a millennium; agriculture is somewhat more than 10,000 years old.

Compare those numbers to the time evolution has -- the geologists allow several billion years. A billion years is the entire history of human agriculture a hundred thousand times.

I think that is the main difficulty creationists have -- they cannot imagine such spans of time and what is possible in such a span.

That's a good observation. I think one can take it further and say that religion tends to destroy the imagination and replaces it with false certainties.

 

[Vendetta]

I have read that the source of this myth is that only 10% of the brain is taken up by the neurons themselves, the rest is the glial cells, connective tissues, blood vessels etc.

So while it may be technically true that we only use 10% of our brain we can't use any more than 10% of your brain as that is all the neurons that we have.

David we use 100% of our brain that was my point. When you walk, talk, grab things, you are accessing your frontal, temporal, parietal, and occipital lobes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think people who criticize evolution based on something like the complexity of the eye, should focus on learning the basics of evolution before tackling the big stuff.

I'd add that the criticism is that they don't see a possible evolutionary path from one simple structure to
a more complex structure. Time & time again, good explanations turn up where before there were none.
Intermediate stages of eye development are a perfect example of this. So to not see that path proves
nothing except that further investigation & thought are warranted.

 

[.Frame.]

Other people often say that the iris is the most beatiful and complicated thing in nature, but, in my eyes, the retina is.

 

[.Frame.]

Ok. Terrible joke. I'm sorry, people. I'm sorry.

 

[Manahel.Fatima]

Brain uhhhh this is really complex mostly i forgets things and wait to rememorize things which i forget. when i heard some thing at first then i never remember what other say to me. their fore i don't have my past in my mind i am working at present and look for future.

 

[David M]

David we use 100% of our brain that was my point. When you walk, talk, grab things, you are accessing your frontal, temporal, parietal, and occipital lobes.

Thats what I said.

But only 10% of the mass of your brain is directly involved in those actions the other 90% is allowing that 10% to function properly, which seems to be where the myth came from.

Other people often say that the iris is the most beatiful and complicated thing in nature, but, in my eyes, the retina is.

The retina of a squid perhaps, as it lacks the flaw in our eyes of having the blood vessels in front of the surface of the retina.

 

[.Frame.]

The retina of a squid perhaps, as it lacks the flaw in our eyes of having the blood vessels in front of the surface of the retina.

Man, squid are incredible. I love squid. Seriously, I think they're remarkable creatures.

 

[filthy tugboat]

A theist told me today that, "The brain and eye are so complex that even evolution over 4 billion years can't comprehend."

So I looked into it and the brain is very, very complex, along with the eye.

Now, if you are like many, you will say "Just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean God exists... The Greeks couldn't understand lightening and they made Zeus, although now we know it."

But it's not that we do not understand it, it's just that how is such a complex thing built in with us?

The claim that the Brain and eye are too complex to come about without God is simply an argument from ignorance. Even if we had no idea how they came about, in reality we haven't known for all that long, the answer 'Goddidit' would still not be credible. It is literally saying, I don't understand how this happened, therefore magic.

 

[horizon_mj1]

David we use 100% of our brain that was my point. When you walk, talk, grab things, you are accessing your frontal, temporal, parietal, and occipital lobes.

Sorry, but you do not use 100% of your brain on simple functions. Throughout a day, it is believed that 100% of the brain is used, but only approximately 10% is understood. ([URL="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=people-only-use-10-percent-of-brain&page=2)If"]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=people-only-use-10-percent-of-brain&page=2)If[/URL] we had the ability to zero in on specific parts of the brain and use some of its functions unilaterally, maybe this would explain why some people have more mental capabilities than others. Here is a simple map of the brain and some of the functions we are aware of; http://www.neuroskills.com/brain.shtml