Jeremy Mason
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Amen brother! :clap
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The breaking of bread and drinking the wine
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Amen brother! :clap
blackout
Violet.
A New Zealand one
John Paul College, Rotorua. Mixed-gender school which comes from the Edmund Rice college (boys) and the Mary Mackillop(sp?) College for girls.
And we most definately were taught that it doesn't matter if you can't get to church and that it's ok to do it at home if you needed to. After all, I figured God would be just as present at church as he is in my toilet at home!!
Well if you can't get to a RC church there is always "spiritual communion".
(which does not involve a wafer--or bread)
I'm just tellin ya what the catholic catechism teaches.
Official RC "church" teaching.
Though I myself personally agree with you,
God would be just as present at church as he is in your toilet at home.
(or anywhere else).
Have you ever tried toilet water in a communion cup? *chuckle.
Dunemeister
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The issue isn't whether God is present somewhere. God's present everywhere, so that's not relevant. The issue also isn't whether the people involved love God or whether God loves them back. If you're the people of God, you are assured of God's love. The issue isn't whether there are extreme cases where the normal provisions can't be applied. Certainly there are. AND the issue isn't whether there are some people who are more "Christian" than another.
The issue is whether just any Christian ought to serve communion. I say no, and I think scripture and tradition affirm this. God calls people to certain roles. As a matter of fact, 99.9% of churches tacitly agree with this although they give lip service otherwise. You can see this by the fact that, in actual practice, ministers or those delegated by them for the purpose are the primary offiants at Eucharistic rites. Or, they don't celebrate a Eucharist.
The issue is whether just any Christian ought to serve communion. I say no, and I think scripture and tradition affirm this. God calls people to certain roles. As a matter of fact, 99.9% of churches tacitly agree with this although they give lip service otherwise. You can see this by the fact that, in actual practice, ministers or those delegated by them for the purpose are the primary offiants at Eucharistic rites. Or, they don't celebrate a Eucharist.
blackout
Violet.
Well I guess everyone has their own "pet" "issues".
The issue raised however in the OP was this...
*UV quitely tiptoes out of thread.....
Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
Thanks for reminding us all of the content of the original post. As I've said multiple times already, I don't think that the Eucharist can only be celebrated at a church. Any setting can serve.
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
But the server cannot meek, only the greatest shall provide the Eucharist.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
Dunemeister, I know that Jesus trained His disciples both by word and experience. I'm just saying they didn't walk around with a degree from a seminary....They got up real close and personal to Jesus which is something you can read from a book but can't have the same kind of experience as that personal one on one with God....I would rather have the closeness with God than have all the degrees in the world.....Leave the degrees for a thermometer 
Dunemeister
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Dunemeister, I know that Jesus trained His disciples both by word and experience. I'm just saying they didn't walk around with a degree from a seminary....They got up real close and personal to Jesus which is something you can read from a book but can't have the same kind of experience as that personal one on one with God....I would rather have the closeness with God than have all the degrees in the world.....Leave the degrees for a thermometer
I'm with you there, sister!
I agree. I totally believe that it's presumptuous for an unordained person to administer the Eucharist/the Lord's Supper/Communion/the Sacrament.
I agree.
Okay, now that I've agreed with both of you, I'll throw out one other thought, and I'm sure you'll both agree with each other that I'm wrong.
We believe -- and here's where I'm probably going to offend both of you (I apologize in advance) -- that the power and authority to act in God's name can only be given by Jesus Christ. When it is man handing out the "credentials," those credentials are not binding or valid. It doesn't matter who has ordained a person, if the person doing the ordaining cannot trace his authority back to Jesus Christ himself, he doesn't have authority to ordain or anything else.
We believe that God has restored the same authority held by Jesus' Apostles, and that He has "placed the call." Every LDS man who holds the Priesthood today (and we have a lay priesthood, so there are many, many men who do), can trace his authority back to Joseph Smith, who can trace his authority back to Peter, James, and John, who can trace their authority back to Jesus Christ. It goes without saying that I wouldn't expect either of you to believe that Joseph Smith was personally ordained by the three resurrected Apostles I named. If Joseph Smith made the whole thing up and never was ordained by actual representatives of Jesus Christ, then no one after him has any more authority than any minister or pastor of any other Christian Church. On the other hand, if he was telling the truth, then both of you are right -- but so am I.
Kathryn, what do you mean by "trace his authority back to"?
How does Jesus Christ call upon someone to ministry?
Jordan St. Francis
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May God save the Catholic education system!
Ave Maria...
The Church is not a building, but the people in it. Whoever follows Jesus commands are part of this "Church". So, we can eat the bread and drink the wine wherever we may be.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Christine,
To illustrate the point here is a story:
In a gurukul [religious school] the guru wanted to check out the disciples progress. So the guru gave each one a banana and asked them to eat it without anyone seeing them or knowing about it and meet after 15 minutes. Each did as they were told except one disciple who still had the banana in his hand. The guru asked him as to why he had not eaten it; could he not find a hideout to do so. The disciple said * Guruji, I tried to hide under the cot, in the bushes, etc. etc. but everywhere when I started eating, I found GOD watching me and so could not avoid him seeing me eat and so have brought the banana back.
Like wise. God is every where and a chruch is symbolic of where he is when in reality it is wherever the people are.
Love & rgds
To illustrate the point here is a story:
In a gurukul [religious school] the guru wanted to check out the disciples progress. So the guru gave each one a banana and asked them to eat it without anyone seeing them or knowing about it and meet after 15 minutes. Each did as they were told except one disciple who still had the banana in his hand. The guru asked him as to why he had not eaten it; could he not find a hideout to do so. The disciple said * Guruji, I tried to hide under the cot, in the bushes, etc. etc. but everywhere when I started eating, I found GOD watching me and so could not avoid him seeing me eat and so have brought the banana back.
Like wise. God is every where and a chruch is symbolic of where he is when in reality it is wherever the people are.
Love & rgds
Friend Zenzero, thank you for that story.