The case for feminist revolution

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Currently reading the Dialetic of Sex: the case for feminist revolution-Firestone argues that women are biologically dependant on men via pregnancy and child rearing and the only way to really break free from this dependence, is to develope technology that allows people to have children outside of the female body. She criticises Marx and Engles for not observing that the sex class system forms the basis of all oppression.

"the natural reproductive difference between the sexes led directly to the first division of labour at the origins of class, as well as furnishing the paradigm of caste (discrimination based on biological characteristics.)"

What do you think about Firestone's theory that a significant step towards liberation can be achieved if women could have children outside of their own bodies?

 

[eiskalt]

Currently reading the Dialetic of Sex: the case for feminist revolution-Firestone argues that women are biologically dependant on men via pregnancy and child rearing and the only way to really break free from this dependence, is to develope technology that allows people to have children outside of the female body. She criticises Marx and Engles for not observing that the sex class system forms the basis of all oppression.

"the natural reproductive difference between the sexes led directly to the first division of labour at the origins of class, as well as furnishing the paradigm of caste (discrimination based on biological characteristics.)"

What do you think about Firestone's theory that a significant step towards liberation can be achieved if women could have children outside of their own bodies?

This would obviously lead to finally making both sexes equal. It would be even better, if children could be produced in laboratories or factories, so that women dont have to go around bloated for a month.

 

[Sunstone]

What is Firestone's reasoning for asserting that the sex class system forms the basis of all oppression?

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Currently reading the Dialetic of Sex: the case for feminist revolution-Firestone argues that women are biologically dependant on men via pregnancy and child rearing and the only way to really break free from this dependence, is to develope technology that allows people to have children outside of the female body. She criticises Marx and Engles for not observing that the sex class system forms the basis of all oppression.

"the natural reproductive difference between the sexes led directly to the first division of labour at the origins of class, as well as furnishing the paradigm of caste (discrimination based on biological characteristics.)"

What do you think about Firestone's theory that a significant step towards liberation can be achieved if women could have children outside of their own bodies?

Liberation for men as woman becomes obsolete ?lol That's a funny way of looking at things
No woman no problem hmmm interesting lol

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Liberation fors men as woman becomes obsolete ?lol That's a funny way of looking at things
No woman no problem hmmm interesting lol

Maybe you misunderstood?
How would women become obsolete?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

What is Firestone's reasoning for asserting that the sex class system forms the basis of all oppression?

I suppose because it's the first original form of oppression, she argues.

 

[Sunstone]

Maybe you misunderstood?
How would women become obsolete?

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I'm guessing he thinks, if the technology existed to reproduce outside of the female body, there would be no need of females.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I'm guessing he thinks, if the technology existed to reproduce outside of the female body, there would be no need of females.

So is he then saying males don't have much purpose either because they can't get pregnant or???

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Maybe you misunderstood?
How would women become obsolete?

Well is a femenist revolution most weeks at home , everything i ask her to do , she revolts
ask her to tidy behind herself
If women could have children outside of their own bodies ?
I do not like the idea is creepy
Could create whole armies en mass

Is mindset my sister rules her husband mentally and financially

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

This would obviously lead to finally making both sexes equal. It would be even better, if children could be produced in laboratories or factories, so that women dont have to go around bloated for a month.

erm I think females would still menstruate

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Well is a femenist revolution most weeks at home , everything i ask her to do , she revolts
ask her to tidy behind herself
If women could have children outside of their own bodies ?
I do not like the idea is creepy
Could create whole armies en mass

Is mindset my sister rules her husband mentally and financially

Oh kay!
well sorry you have problems in your relationship
:3

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Oh kay!
well sorry you have problems in your relationship
:3

Is not a problem is about give and take in an equal opportunity relationship ?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Is not a problem is about give and take in an equal opportunity relationship ?

:3

 

[eiskalt]

erm I think females would still menstruate

we can work at that too. perhaps drink certain pills, which will make the blood turn the colors of the rainbow and it wouldnt be as nasty and people would be happy. perhaps men then too would like to menstruate?

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

Currently reading the Dialetic of Sex: the case for feminist revolution-Firestone argues that women are biologically dependant on men via pregnancy and child rearing...

The sexes are biologically co-dependent.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Sensing a lot of male insecurity here.
Also like to remind people, this was posted in feminist only.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Currently reading the Dialetic of Sex: the case for feminist revolution-Firestone argues that women are biologically dependant on men via pregnancy and child rearing and the only way to really break free from this dependence, is to develope technology that allows people to have children outside of the female body. She criticises Marx and Engles for not observing that the sex class system forms the basis of all oppression.

"the natural reproductive difference between the sexes led directly to the first division of labour at the origins of class, as well as furnishing the paradigm of caste (discrimination based on biological characteristics.)"

What do you think about Firestone's theory that a significant step towards liberation can be achieved if women could have children outside of their own bodies?

If women could have children outside of their own bodies what would that accomplish? I doubt it'd shift the gender-stereotype that women are primarily carers, home-keepers and child-raisers.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

If women could have children outside of their own bodies what would that accomplish? I doubt it'd shift the gender-stereotype that women are primarily carers, home-keepers and child-raisers.

The idea was that by freeing women of their biology it would help it create androgyny between the sexes and therefore there would no longer be the natural process of pregnancy-child birth-breast feeding that leads to women being the primary care givers. Why should women be the primary caregivers to a child they didn't carry? That along side raising children in an androgynous environment would lead to true equality.
She also writes about the oppression of children and argues that children shouldn't be segregated from the adult world and if they aren't then they won't be as dependant as they are now. She argues the biological family unit should be destroyed and we should create a more community based society.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Currently reading the Dialetic of Sex: the case for feminist revolution-Firestone argues that women are biologically dependant on men via pregnancy and child rearing and the only way to really break free from this dependence, is to develope technology that allows people to have children outside of the female body. She criticises Marx and Engles for not observing that the sex class system forms the basis of all oppression.

"the natural reproductive difference between the sexes led directly to the first division of labour at the origins of class, as well as furnishing the paradigm of caste (discrimination based on biological characteristics.)"

What do you think about Firestone's theory that a significant step towards liberation can be achieved if women could have children outside of their own bodies?

Is there a link to any material or summary you'd recommend?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Is there a link to any material or summary you'd recommend?

Not particularly. There is the standard wiki article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialectic_of_Sex