The change from Amanaki to Conscious thoughts

[TransmutingSoul]

Just a short note.

There has been a change of RF name of Amanaki to Consious thoughts

Welcome to the endless search after truth that transcends Names.

Regards Tony

 

[Spirit of Light]

Muslims claim that the Quran is the word of Allah. Presumably Allah could have given us examples of his mercifulness in the book, but it appears he chose not to.

But Muslims often tell me "I'm reading it wrong". So the question is: Am I reading it wrong? As I read the book I see many CLAIMS of mercifulness, but I do NOT see any EXAMPLES. But perhaps I missed something?

But based on our conversation, it would appear that you would agree that DEMONSTRATIONS of mercifulness are NOT provided in the book. Is that correct?

There is mercy in the teaching, about forgivness, no lying, how to show others how to live a righteous life within islam.
Allah show this to the followers who practice according to the teaching.
If a non muslim/non follower of Allah can see it, depend on the mindset of the individual person. If you want to see it it is there in a deeper layer of wisdom. If you look at the teaching to find fault with it that is what you see.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Welcome to the endless search after truth that transcends Names.

Regards Tony

Thank you @Tony Bristow-Stagg
The search ended when the identity Amanaki ended, when self was let go of the more clear answer is seen. But the "journey" continue in a conscious mind.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thank you @Tony Bristow-Stagg
The search ended when the identity Amanaki ended, when self was let go of the more clear answer is seen. But the "journey" continue in a conscious mind.

There is a good meditation we need on that journey, which to me says we will not find it easy to be totally selfless.

"The good deeds of the righteous are the sins of the near ones."

To me that says we can never think we have become selfless, though it tells me I must keep trying to be, as only Allah knows our heart.

Regards Tony

 

[Spirit of Light]

There is a good meditation we need on that journey, which to me says we will not find it easy to be totally selfless.

"The good deeds of the righteous are the sins of the near ones."

To me that says we can never think we have become selfless, though it tells me I must keep trying to be, as only Allah knows our heart.

Regards Tony

Only Allah can be 100% selfless

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Only Allah can be 100% selfless

That statement, to me, has other thoughts to consider.

I see that Muhammad and the Messengers have been given to us to be that perfect example.

I personally see that Allah is above all Attributes, if I was to say Allah is selfless, to me I would be in a way defining Allah.

There is much guidance written on these topics now and my thoughts come from advice such as this:

"All superior kingdoms are incomprehensible to the inferior; how therefore could it be possible that the creature, man, should understand the almighty Creator of all? That which we imagine, is not the Reality of God; He, the Unknowable, the Unthinkable, is far beyond the highest conception of man."

‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks, p. 24-25

Regards Tony

 

[icehorse]

There is mercy in the teaching, about forgivness, no lying, how to show others how to live a righteous life within islam.
Allah show this to the followers who practice according to the teaching.
If a non muslim/non follower of Allah can see it, depend on the mindset of the individual person. If you want to see it it is there in a deeper layer of wisdom. If you look at the teaching to find fault with it that is what you see.

I'm not telling, I'm asking.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm not telling, I'm asking.

It is the answer in #42 to your question

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

Is it fair for me to rephrase this as: Allah doesn't demonstrate his mercifulness in the scripture, he asks us to take it on faith?

You take it on experience. Islam is about experience, not just believing stuff like Protestant Christians think.
You know God through prayer, meditation, dhikr (mantra) and taking in the gnosis (marifa) from the Qur'an.

 

[icehorse]

There is mercy in the teaching, about forgivness, no lying, how to show others how to live a righteous life within islam.
Allah show this to the followers who practice according to the teaching.
If a non muslim/non follower of Allah can see it, depend on the mindset of the individual person. If you want to see it it is there in a deeper layer of wisdom. If you look at the teaching to find fault with it that is what you see.

Ok, you confirmed above that this is your answer...

I have to say that as an outside observer, the Quran claims that Allah is merciful, but that those claims are not demonstrated. And apparently most believers are okay to accept the claims without evidence. So be it.

 

[icehorse]

You take it on experience. Islam is about experience, not just believing stuff like Protestant Christians think.
You know God through prayer, meditation, dhikr (mantra) and taking in the gnosis (marifa) from the Qur'an.

That's an interesting take.

From a cognitive science perspective, this is a classic example of experts (i.e. meditation experts), attempting to explain the benefits of meditation, but not really having the words to explain the technology (meditation). So we have a good idea (meditation), explained poorly (scripture).

This is a common situation BTW. Across many domains, experts are - more often than not - poor at explaining their expertise. I completely agree that mediation and chanting can provide reliable avenues to useful altered states of consciousness. But as an atheist, I don't see any need to bring mythical, supernatural beings into the conversation. Meditation and chanting are good practices

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

But as an atheist, I don't see any need to bring mythical, supernatural beings into the conversation.

As a Theist, nor do I.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thank you @Tony Bristow-Stagg
The search ended when the identity Amanaki ended, when self was let go of the more clear answer is seen. But the "journey" continue in a conscious mind.

You don't strike me as someone whose search has ended.
A difficult path you have....better you than me.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You don't strike me as someone whose search has ended.
An difficult path you have....better you than me.

There will always be something to refine or understand in details, the "big search" is passed, it happend in the last weeks that has passed now.
The so called "finding who am I" that happend for a long time ended fully yesterday in the moment of realizing the "I"or "ego" was gone. Something that happend very gradually until yesterday when it disappeared.

If people do not understand the transformation that happend, it is no surprise there will be people who doubt it, think it is a lie and so on.
Let it happen, they have their thought about it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You take it on experience. Islam is about experience, not just believing stuff like Protestant Christians think.
You know God through prayer, meditation, dhikr (mantra) and taking in the gnosis (marifa) from the Qur'an.

I want to interject because I'm interested in the question asked to CT.

In the bible, jesus walks on water and heals the dead to show that by faith a christian can do "the same thing" (or have the power of god behind their faith to make miraculous things happen).

Jesus also had conversations and lessons (like the mustard seed) to show the different levels of faith people can have from rocky soil to good soil and who an actual good/half/bad followers are in his father.

There are many examples of god (say jesus) being merciful beyond the claims. Actions that support the claim rather than the claim support itself.

Does the Quran have any examples of Allah being merciful?

If mercifulness can only be shown in practice, and not everyone is a Muslim, does Allah not love them (as a creator of all people)?

In christianity it is said that god loves all people just some choose not to follow. In the Quran, it sounds like god does not love all people only those who choose to follow.

Is these things true?

 

[Revoltingest]

There will always be something to refine or understand in details, the "big search" is passed, it happend in the last weeks that has passed now.
The so called "finding who am I" that happend for a long time ended fully yesterday in the moment of realizing the "I"or "ego" was gone. Something that happend very gradually until yesterday when it disappeared.

If people do not understand the transformation that happend, it is no surprise there will be people who doubt it, think it is a lie and so on.
Let it happen, they have their thought about it.

I don't think you lie.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't think you lie.

There would be little need for lies people in RF knows the changes that took place this year, to explain the end of it is not easy with words