The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Blacks and the Priesthood)

[zomg]

Where to begin...

There is a large and stark difference between polygamy and racism. Joseph Smith did not start polygamy it was instituted by commandment.

Actually, polygamy was started by Joseph Smith. Chalk it up to revelation if you must but the end result is the same - it came from Joseph Smith.

Polygamy did not threaten the foundations of the church the way racism would have; incidentally, the guidelines regarding polygamy and the priesthood (with regard to the apparent racism) are not unchanging principles of the everlasting Gospel, they are guidelines meant to ensure the success of the organization, the Lord has often set up the organizational guidelines of His church to prevent the excessive ire of the masses outside the organization.

Polygamy DID threaten the foundations of the LDS church. Why do you think Joseph Smith was sent to Carthage? He was responsible for the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor newspaper that was exposing his plural marriage. This is one of many reasons Joseph Smith was sent to Carthage. Polygamy tore the LDS church asunder from within.

Polygamy was instituted of God to provide priesthood into the homes of the sisters who had none..., again it was a special directive given by the Lord to help get the whole show off the ground.

False. Joseph Smith married several women who were currently married to active LDS men. Smith didn't live with many of his wives, either.

When the laws of the land prohibited polygamy the Lord authorized the Church to conform to those laws which they promptly did.

False. Polygamy was illegal in Illinois. Polygamy was illegal in Utah. Polygamy continued after the so called 1890 manifesto/revelation. In fact, polygamy continued into the 1900s.

The fact that some became disgruntled and subsequently disenfranchised themselves from the Church does not alter the validity and truthfulness of the church, it simply meant that a new sect was formed by man not having the power and authority possessed by the original organization because the disenfranchising between the church and this (these) new organization(s) was mutual.

That's because Brigham Young and John Taylor said that plural marriage should never stop and that it was necessary for salvation. So when Woodruff comes up with his so called revelation you can see why many thought the LDS church was in apostasy.

The rest of the world would never be ready until the Gospel was restored. Racism is a particularly nasty disease of the mind that was not peculiar to those outside the LDS faith; Many of the early saints, including the leaders held social ideals and practices that had to be changed over time line upon line and precept upon precept, the founding fathers were slave owners.

Brigham Young owned slaves.

Rooting out racism without racism destroying the whole effort before it could get off of the ground took careful and measured steps that, unfortunately, are still in process today although huge strides have been accomplished. If the world became sufficiently upset with the Church nobody would enjoy these blessings because the necessary temples would never have been built - where is the wisdom in that?

I still want to know where you get the idea that the LDS church couldn't have survived had they been allow blacks in the priesthood.

As for your comment about some being denied eternal blessings I will say it again, the work of eternity did not start in mortality and does not end at death. A person is not judged by that which they were not given to be judged by. Black men and women who suffered due to the "apparent" prejudice of the Church will not be denied the opportunity to receive any and all the blessings that each and every son or daughter of God is entitled to and that included being sealed in the temple even if that sealing has to be done vicariously. That is the primary purpose of the Temples.

That's great. So it's okay to treat someone like dirt because the afterlife will fix everything. Gotcha.

You really need to come up with better apologetics regarding this issue.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Hey, woah, woah, woah...
lets keep the topic on racisim.
If you want to go argue polygamy go to my other thread.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...69-church-jesus-christ-latter-day-saints.html

 

[zomg]

Hey, woah, woah, woah...
lets keep the topic on racisim.
If you want to go argue polygamy go to my other thread.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...69-church-jesus-christ-latter-day-saints.html

Just correcting the errors I saw in his responses.

I posed a question in the other thread.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

thanks