The Collective Concept of Messiah

[Fool]

The spirit here is a reference to the breath of life which was breathed into the nostrils of man so that man could become a living soul. (Genesis 2:7) The breath of life will be gone with the wind, so to speak when man passes away. There is nothing eternal about man but Sheol aka the grave. (Psalm 49:12,20)

Regarding Daniel 12:2, that's a reference to the Jews in exile. If you read Isaiah 53:8,9 when Jews are forced into exile, it is as if they are cut off from the land of the living and graves are assigned to them among the nations. At the end of the exile, HaShem opens up their metaphorical graves and brings them back to the Land of Israel as if to enjoy eternal life. But many of them choose to remain in exile to their reproach and abhorrent shame.

yeah, the spirit also translates as mind too ruach.

jesus speak of how it enlivens here. like mind over matter..


The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.

 

[wizanda]

Quote to me a text teaching about bodily resurrection.

Resurrection « Ask! « Ohr Somayach

If you get the Ezekiel 37:1-14 quote is quite blatant, will post more from the Tanakh.

 

[allfoak]

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[Ben Avraham]

Have you got any proof to substantiate what you're saying; found Maimonides questioning the physical body, yet not the whole concept as you seem to?

Maimonidean Controversy

The proof is in the text. If you google "Maimonides' 13 Principles of Faith, the 13th says, "The Lord revives the Dead." Logic is my proof that this has nothing to do with bodily resurrection. We pray every day in our prayer book, "Baruch Atah Adonai asher mehayer hametim." it means, "Blessed are thou Lord our God Who revives the dead." This is not about bodily resurrection but renewal of one's Faith.

 

[wizanda]

If you google "Maimonides' 13 Principles of Faith, the 13th says, "The Lord revives the Dead." Logic is my proof that this has nothing to do with bodily resurrection.

Having Googled that phrase more or less, and having posted you the links previously, it isn't my job to research stuff for you to understand.

You keep quoting bodily Resurrection which isn't what Judaism teaches; yet having read lots of Jewish sites now, you've got your own religion....

Unless you can prove otherwise with evidence.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Resurrection « Ask! « Ohr Somayach

If you get the Ezekiel 37:1-14 quote is quite blatant, will post more from the Tanakh.

That's about Ezekiel's vision of the "Dry Bones" which is a reference to the Jews in exile. Verse 12 says that the Lord will open up their graves and bring them back to the Land of Israel. That could not be bodily resurrection. Then
HaShem is not a God of the dead but of the living. Why would He bring the literally dead back for what? Literally, this is pagan belief, not Jewish.

 

[wizanda]

HaShem is not a God of the dead but of the living.

Here is a Jewish debate on the subject, though unsure you will bother to read it, as you're not seeming like you want to learn....

Basically most people concur, that what Rambam is saying, is that within the World to Come (HaOlam Habah), we will receive new forms, which are no longer a prison as this body is.

Yet this is still referred to within Judaism as the Resurrection of the Dead, as that is what everyone has always called it....

As you might have noticed, i did call it the Resurrection of the Saints, as in Hinduism, it is explained that only the enlightened shall return, and Daniel 12:3 states those who've turned many to righteousness, in other words only the Saints.

 

[bnabernard]

Adam died when he was clothed with flesh (animal flesh), any help?

One might remember, ''let the dead bury the dead''

 

[Rakovsky]

The “servant” in each of the three previous Servant Songs is plainly and repeatedly identified as the nation of Israel.

That statement isn't true in the slightest, and shows bad reading comprehension:

1. Isaiah 42:1-4 is about Jacob specifically, as it says child of Abraham.

Dear Wizanda,
Hello, I am quite confused what you mean. Numerous rabbis say that Isaiah 42:1-4 is about Messiah, as I quoted on my thread here that I invite you to:
Why should one believe that something the TaNaKh predicts would actually literally occur?


I don't see anywhere in Isaiah 42:1-4 where it mentions "child of Abraham". What are you referring to?

 

[wizanda]

I don't see anywhere in Isaiah 42:1-4 where it mentions "child of Abraham". What are you referring to?

Oops, Sorry, typo... Got Isaiah 41:8 muddled for some reason.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Adam died when he was clothed with flesh (animal flesh), any help? One might remember, ''let the dead bury the dead''

I have no idea what you are talking about! Can you provide us with a quote in the Tanach as an evidence of what you are saying?

 

[Ben Avraham]

Here is a Jewish debate on the subject, though unsure you will bother to read it, as you're not seeming like you want to learn....Basically most people concur, that what Rambam is saying, is that within the World to Come (HaOlam Habah), we will receive new forms, which are no longer a prison as this body is. Yet this is still referred to within Judaism as the Resurrection of the Dead, as that is what everyone has always called it....As you might have noticed, i did call it the Resurrection of the Saints, as in Hinduism, it is explained that only the enlightened shall return, and Daniel 12:3 states those who've turned many to righteousness, in other words only the Saints.

Judaism does not adopt the Christian doctrine of resurrection of the dead, and much less, Moses Maimonides. (II Samuel 12:23; Psalms 49:12,20; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; etc.)

 

[Ben Avraham]

Having Googled that phrase more or less, and having posted you the links previously, it isn't my job to research stuff for you to understand. You keep quoting bodily Resurrection which isn't what Judaism teaches; yet having read lots of Jewish sites now, you've got your own religion....Unless you can prove otherwise with evidence.

If you are serious enough to verify the evidences, read II Samuel 12:23; Psalms 49:12,20; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; etc.
Bodily resurrection of the dead is a Hellenistic doctrine adopted by Christianity. (II Timothy 2:8)

 

[Ben Avraham]

Resurrection « Ask! « Ohr Somayach

If you get the Ezekiel 37:1-14 quote is quite blatant, will post more from the Tanakh.

Ezekiel 37:1-14 is not about bodily resurrection but about the return of the Jews from exile in the Diaspora and back to Israel. If you read Isaiah 53:8,9 when the Jews are forced into exile, it is as if they have been cut off from the Land of the Living and graves are assigned to them among the nations. At the end of the exile, the Lord opens up those graves and brings them back to the Land of Israel. That's the picture of Ezekiel's prophecy of the "Dry Bones."

 

[bnabernard]

I have no idea what you are talking about! Can you provide us with a quote in the Tanach as an evidence of what you are saying?

No.
I can however point out that what you read and what is said are not always what you think, for a great many they read the account in Genesis as God clothing Adam in animal skin, you know, an animal is killed and a garment fashioned, curing, cutting, etc etc,

Mostly there was no need for reading and writing in the beginning, Lets face it you hardly needed to read and write and therefore history was passed on by word of mouth, father to son and talked about in gatherings, no need to send a letter, everybody was there no need to post a notice, everybody new their job,

Translation? yes a result of God confusing the tongues, still works.


Why will ther be no need of the sun in the light of God, an interesting question I find.