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"...the coming of the Lord draweth nigh, and it overtaketh the world as a thief..."

FFH

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Doctrine and Covenants 106: 4
(LDS scripture)

And again, verily I say unto you, the coming of the Lord draweth nigh, and it overtaketh the world (Christ is referring to the wicked here) as a thief in the night—

To the wicked, he will return as a thief in the night, but not to the righteous. We are commanded by Christ to "watch and pray" for his coming and we can do this by discerning the times we live in.

It's possible to know how close we are by studying scripture. For instance the Gulf War is in Revelation 9, which was a five month war.

These are my own deductions, I didn't look to anyone to make these conclusion.

This particular passage of scripture has been fulfilled in my opinion.

Revelation 9

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon (destroyer/Satan/Saddam Hussein), but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

One woe is past.

I believe the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has taken over for Satan, where Saddam left off.

Remember Satan has very powerful people on this earth to do his dirty work for him.

Many devastating things will happen prior to Christ's coming, but they are for the benefit of the righteous.

Was not the Gulf war of extreme benefit to those people living in that part of the world? I know personally a family who lost their home and possessions under the evil reign of Saddam. They lived in Kuwait and now live in Salt Lake and their father was able to go back to Kuwait and support his family living in Salt Lake thanks to our government overthrowing that evil regime. They praise the U.S. and it's decisions to keep that part of the world safe for them, unlike us who just complain. The Bush family has done their part to fight evil in that part of the world, for the benefit of those living there. Is not the greatest love to lay down our lives for another. Many in our military have done that, and not in vain, so that others many enjoy the freedoms we enjoy.

These things, in Revelation, and other end time disasters, come upon the wicked, not the righteous, for the benefit of the righteous, so that we may dwell on earth in righteousness, unhindered by the most wicked of people on this earth.

Revelation 9

12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. (Iraq/Iran)

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. (great military forces, tanks, jets, antiaircraft weapons, etc.)

18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: (military jets, tanks, etc.) for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

There is not doubt that the President of Iran has/is/will fulfill this part of Revelation, and/or someone in power coming after him, from the area of Iran or Iraq.
 

FFH

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comprehend said:
so what is the debate?
Well I thought that opening post would stir debate enough.

My arguement is that this part of Revelation 9 (the first woe) or the 5th angel of Revelation has already sounded his trumpet.

The "first woe" in Revelation 9 has already been fulfilled without a doubt.

Revelation 9

1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottonless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit (This is referring to the 1000 oil wells Saddam set on fire during the Gulf war.)

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. (The Lovusts are military aircraft, such as Apache helecopters and F16's)

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. (This is referring to the pinpoint accuracy of "smart" weapons used in these military aircraft or high tech weapons which can strike their target with extreme accuracy.)
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
FFH said:
Well I thought that opening post would stir debate enough.

My arguement is that this part of Revelation 9 (the first woe) or the 5th angel of Revelation has already sounded his trumpet.

This part of Revelation has already been fulfilled without a doubt.

Here's another example.

Revelation 9

1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: andto him was given the key of the bottonless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit (This is referring to the 1000 oil wells Saddam set on fire during the Gulf war.)

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. (The Lovusts are military aircraft, such as Apache helecopters and F16's)

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. (This is referring to the pinpoint accuracy of "smart" weapons used in these military aircraft or high tech weapons which can strike their target with extreme accuracy.)

Let me get this straight. You think that the 7th seal has been opened, and that 5 of the 7 angels have already sounded their trumpets?
 

FFH

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comprehend said:
Let me get this straight. You think that the 7th seal has been opened, and that 5 of the 7 angels have already sounded their trumpets?
Yes..
 

wizanda

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Rev 19:12
(12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 3:12
(12) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


If Elijah was John the Baptist as written would return first, yet in another body as Yeshua said, then is not the body where the eagles are gathered?
Also the son of man better fix the books before we get excited, else he will be fighting against those whom speak as Balaam and swear by a sacrifice.
 

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Res Ipsa Loquitur
FFH said:

So you would say that all of the following have happened? Would you mind telling me what each of these events was and when it happened?

1. The opening of the Seventh seal.
2. The sealing of the 144,000. (who was sealed?)
3. The half hour of silence in the heavens.
4. Third part of trees and grass burned up.
5. Great mountain of burning fire cast into the sea, with 1/3 of the sea turning red, and 1/3 of the marine life dying, 1/3 part of ships destroyed.
6. The great "star" wormwood falling on the rivers and the fountains of the waters.
7. 1/3 part of the sun, moon, stars smitten.

These to begin with. All are in Rev. ch. 7 and 8.
 

FFH

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comprehend said:
So you would say that all of the following have happened? Would you mind telling me what each of these events was and when it happened?

1. The opening of the Seventh seal.
2. The sealing of the 144,000. (who was sealed?)
3. The half hour of silence in the heavens.
4. Third part of trees and grass burned up.
5. Great mountain of burning fire cast into the sea, with 1/3 of the sea turning red, and 1/3 of the marine life dying, 1/3 part of ships destroyed.
6. The great "star" wormwood falling on the rivers and the fountains of the waters.
7. 1/3 part of the sun, moon, stars smitten.

These to begin with. All are in Rev. ch. 7 and 8.
Just looked at this post, sorry, but I already anticipated you asking these questions so for the last hour or so I've been going through Revelation 8 and inserting my comments, next to each scripture, to show how these verses have already been fulfilled and are being fulfilled as we speak/type ;) .

There is a lot to cover in those chapters. I will cover Revelation 8 first. Give me a few more minutes and I will have it put together...

Much of it has to do with the LDS church too, so I hesitate to make those comments in a general religious debate setting, so it may have to be moved to same faith debates.

Give me about 15 more minutes.
 

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FFH said:
Just looked at this post, sorry, but I already anticipated you asking these questions so for the last hour or so I've been going through Revelation 8 and inserting my comments, next to each scripture, to show how these verses have already been fulfilled and are being fulfilled as we speak/type ;) .

There is a lot to cover in those chapters. I will cover Revelation 8 first. Give me a few more minutes and I will have it put together...

Much of it has to do with the LDS church too, so I hesitate to make those comments in a general religious debate setting, so it may have to be moved to same faith debates.

Give me about 15 more minutes.

I can't wait... I don't think it matters that your viewpoint is LDS. What do people expect? It does not mean others can't give their understandings too. Just tell me what you think. I really am amazed that you think all this stuff has already happened.
 

FFH

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comprehend said:
doesn't this also mean you missed the rapture? when was that supposed to happen if there are only 2 angels left?
I'll answer that after I post this other stuff...

Makes a mental note in head...
 

FFH

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Revelation 8

1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour (probably those in heaven who viewed the calamities to come to the inhabitants on earth were speechless. Wouldn't you be ???).

2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayres of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.

5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake (The prayers of the righteous saints on earth cause these).

6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up (droughts in the early 80's).

8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood (global warming is gradually melting massive mountains of ice);

9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed (With increased temperatures comes discruption to aquatic life. Have you not seen how penguins, seals, etc are dying off due to changes in their places of habitation. In general marine life has been slowly dying off due to warmer ocean temperatures and pullution in our oceans, rivers and streams.)

10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters (pullution);

11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood (Chernobyl: Russian nuclear power plant disaster in 1986): and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise (Pullution causes the sun, moon, stars and the night to dim. In Japan, you can't see the sun, moon or stars hardly at all, ever. I remember waiting for the sun to rise on new years day in Japan as a missionary on the beach and it was a real let down when the sun came up and we couldn't even see it hardly, just nothing but smog mixed with fog. Endured two hours on a standing only train to see that. L.A. is basically the same as are other extremely pulluted cities. Pullution seemed to be at it's worst just 15-20 years ago, but things have gotten better since then I think with all the various pullution control efforts, but it's still not enough and it may get worse as the pupulation of the earth increases).

13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, (three more woes to come and I've already shown how the first woe/fifth agnel is past, which was the Gulf war.) to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
 

FFH

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These are all ongoing problems.

Droughts (first angel)

Global warming of the earth's surface and ocean temperatures (second angel)

Pullution of the earth's waters (third angel)
Just one big example Chernobyl 1986 - 2006

Pullution of the earth's air/atmosphere (forth angel)

Gulf War/war against the destroyer/Satan/Babyllon/Saddam Hussein and the people of that area which includes the Euphrates river, which has extended into what we now know as the Iraqi war (fifth angel or first woe)

Anti-Jewish/Christian wars, which we saw a taste of or the beginning of, this last year which will be ongoing until the end. (sixth angel or second woe)

Final battles, plagues, earthquakes, etc. (seventh angel or third and final woe)
 

FFH

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comprehend said:
are you serious?
Dude, you have to look at Revelation realistically.

The term one third is just used to point the reader in the direction of, or to, the evil spirits behind all these wars, plagues and other disasters, they of course being the one third who followed Satan, in the our pre-mortal existence, who are busy helping to bring to pass these wars, plagues and other disasters.

One third of the spirits in heaven followed Satan and his plan and they are reeking havoc on the earth today in various different ways.
 

wizanda

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Rev 6:10
(10) And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Luk 18:6-8
(6) And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
(7) And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
(8) I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?


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Doctrine and Covenants 45
(LDS scriputre)

1 Hearken, O ye people of my church, to whom the kingdom has been given; hearken ye and give ear to him who laid the foundation of the earth, who made the heavens and all the hosts thereof, and by whom all things were made which live, and move, and have a being.

2 And again I say, hearken unto my voice, lest death shall overtake you; in an hour when ye think not (Again Christ is referring to the wicked/unrepentant inside and outside the church) the summer shall be past, and the harvest ended, and your souls not saved.

3 Listen to him who is the advocate with the Father, who is pleading your cause before him—

4 Saying: Father, behold the sufferings death of him who did no sin, in whom thou wast well pleased; behold the blood of thy Son which was shed, the blood of him whom thou gavest that thyself might be glorified;

5 Wherefore, Father, spare these my brethren that believe on my name, that they may come unto me and have everlasting life.

6 Hearken, O ye people of my church, and ye elders listen together, and hear my voice while it is called today, and harden not your hearts;

7 For verily I say unto you that I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the light and the life of the world—a light that shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not (There's that scripture from John 1:4).

8 I came unto mine own (Jews), and mine own (Jews) received me not; but unto as many as received me (disciples or disciplined followers of Christ) gave I power to do many miracles, and to become the sons of God; and even unto them that believed on my name gave I power to obtain eternal life.

9 And even so I have sent mine everlasting covenant (LDS gospel of salvation) into the world, to be a light to the world, and to be a standard for my people, and for the Gentiles (Christ referred to Joseph Smith as a Gentile, we are also considered Gentiles, yet we are part of the tribe Israel but are not pure blooded Israelites, so we are referred to as Gentiles, because we have the blood of the world mixed in with our Israeli heritage) to seek to it, and to be a messenger (LDS missionaries and members "every member a missionary") before my face to prepare the way before me.

10 Wherefore, come ye unto it, and with him that cometh I will reason as with men in days of old, and I will show unto you my strong reasoning.

11 Wherefore, hearken ye together and let me show unto you even my wisdom--the wisdom of him whom ye say is the God of Enoch (we will also meet the city of Enoch at Christ's coming), and his brethren,

12 Who were seperated from the earth, and were received unto myself—a city reserved (city of Enoch) until a day of righteousness shall come—a day which was sought for by all holy men (LDS founders tried to establish this holy order/united order, where all things were in common), and they found it not because of wickedness and abominations (the commandment was revoked because of jealousies, strife, etc.);

13 And confessed they were strangers and pilgrims (sound familiar?) on the earth;

14 But obtained a promise that they should find it and see it in their flesh (LDS saints moved to Salt Lake and established Zion and her stakes around the world).

15 Wherefore, hearken and I will reason with you, and I will speak unto you and prophesy, as unto men in days of old.

16 And I will show it plainly as I showed it unto my disciples as I stood before them in the flesh, and spake unto them, saying: As ye have asked of me concerning the signs of my coming, in the day when I shall come in my glory in the clouds of heaven, to fulfil the promises that I have made unto your fathers,

17 For as ye have looked upon the long absense of your spirits from your bodies to be a bondage, I will show unto you how the day of redemption shall come, and also the restoration of the scattered of Israel (My wife is a convert yet she is of the house of Israel, just as we are. Truly she is part of those being restored who were once scattered, just as our ancestors were, yet God brought her/them out of the world. She was a Catholic from Mass. and yet God brought her out of that and "restored" her to a knowledge of the fulness of the gospel and established her in Zion/LDS church)

18 And now ye behold this temple which is in Jerusalem, which ye call the house of God, and your enemies say that this house shall never fall.

19 But, verily I say unto you, that desolation shall come upon this generation as a thief in the night (referring to then and now), and this people shall be destroyed and scattered among all nations.

20 And this temple which ye now see shall be thrown down that there shall not be left one stone upon another.

21 And it shall come to pass, that this generation of Jews shall not pass away until every desolation which I have told you concerning them shall come to pass.

22 Ye say that ye know that the end of the world cometh; ye say also that ye know that the heavens and the earth shall pass away;

23 And in this ye say truly, for so it is; but these things which I have told you shall not pass away until all shall be fulfilled.

24 And this I have told you concerning Jerusalem; and when that day shall come, shall a remnant be scattered among all nations (we and many others are part of that remnant and are part of/from the house of Israel);

25 But they shall be gathered again; but they shall remain until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

26 And in that day (referring to the last days) shall be heard of wars and rumors of wars, and the whole earth shall be in commotion, and men’s hearts shall fail them, and they shall say that Christ delayeth his coming until the end of the earth.

27 And the love of men shall wax cold (is this not obvious?), and iniquity shall abound (No need to say anymore about that. Another obvious sign).

28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;

29 But they received it not; for they perceive not the light (again referring to John 1:4), and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.

30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

32 But my disciples shall stand in holy places, (Title to a very good General Conference talk), and shall not be moved; but among the wicked, men shall lift up their voices and curse God and die.

33 And there shall be earthquakes also in divers places, and many desolations; yet men will harden their hearts against me, and they will take up the sword, one against another, and they will kill one another (another day to day fulfillment of scripture right before our eyes).

34 And now, when I the Lord had spoken these words unto my disciples, they were troubled.

35 And I said unto them: Be not troubled, for, when all these things shall come to pass, ye may know that the promises which have been made unto you shall be fulfilled.

36 And when the light shall begin to break forth, it shall be with them like unto a parable which I will show you—

37 Ye look and behold the figtrees (it takes seven years for a fig tree to put forth fruit), and ye see them with your eyes, and ye say when they begin to shoot forth, and their leaves are yet tender, that summer is now nigh at hand;

38 Even so it shall be in that day when they shall see all these things, then shall they know that the hour is nigh.

39 And it shall come to pass that he that feareth me shall be looking forth for the great day of the Lord to come, even for the signs of the coming of the Son of Man.
 

FFH

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40 And they shall see signs and wonders, for they shall be shown forth in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath.

41 And they shall behold blood, and fire, and vapors of smoke.

42 And before the day of the Lord shall come, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon be turned into blood, and the stars fall from heaven (this has already happened due to polution which makes the moon appear red as a result of the suns rays passing through the pollution and reflecting onto the moon. This can be seen when the moon is low in the sky or during an eclipse or partial eclipse of the moon. The stars appear to have fallen from the sky in certain areas where there is so much polution that you can no longer see the stars at night. Things have improved though over the last ten years. The worst was about ten years ago).

43 And the remnant (of the scattered of Israel, again this refers to us not just the Jews because we are also of the house of Israel, only a remnant) shall be gathered unto this place;

44 And then they shall look for me, and, behold, I will come; and they shall see me in the clouds of heaven, clothed with power and great glory; with all the holy angels; and he that watches not for me shall be cut off.

45 But before the arm of the Lord shall fall, an angel shall sound his trump, and the saints that have slept shall come forth to meet me in the cloud (now where have I heard that before?).

46 Wherefore, if ye have slept in peace blessed are you; for as you now behold me and know that I am, even so shall ye come unto me and your souls shall live, and your redemption shall be perfected; and the saints shall come forth from the four quarters of the earth.

47 Then shall the arm of the Lord fall upon the nations (destruction of the wicked).

48 And then shall the Lord set his foot upon this mount (Mount of Olives), and it shall cleave in twain, and the earth shall tremble, and reel to and fro, and the heavens also shall shake.

49 And the Lord shall utter his voice, and all the ends of the earth shall hear it; and the nations of the earth shall mourn, and they that have laughed shall see their folly.

50 And calamity shall cover the mocker, and the scorner shall be consumed; and they that have watched for iniquity shall be hewn down and cast into the fire.

51 And then shall the Jews look upon me and say: What are these wounds in thine hands and in thy feet?

52 Then shall they know that I am the Lord; for I will say unto them: These wounds are the wounds with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. I am he who was lifted up. I am Jesus that was crucified. I am the Son of God.

53 And then shall they weep because of their iniquities; then shall they lament because they persecuted their king.

54 And then shall the heathen nations be redeemed, and they that knew no law shall have part in the first resurrection; and it shall be tolorable for them.

55 And Satan shall be bound, that he shall have no place in the hearts of the children of men.

56 And at that day, when I shall come in my glory, shall the parable be fulfilled which I spake concerning the ten virgins.

57 For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived—verily I say unto you, they shall not be hewn down and cast into the fire, but shall abide the day.

58 And the earth shall be given unto them for an inheritance; and they shall multiply and wax strong, and their children shall grow up without sin unto salvation (speaking of raising children during the Millenium, when Satan will not be able to tempt them/us).

59 For the Lord shall be in their midst, and his glory shall be upon them, and he will be their king and their lawgiver.

60 And now, behold, I say unto you, it shall not be given unto you to know any further concerning this chapter, until the New Testament be translated, and in it all these things shall be made known;

61 Wherefore I give unto you that ye may now translate it, that ye may be prepared for the things to come.

62 For verily I say unto you, that great things await you (speaking of the Millenium);

63 Ye hear of wars in foreign lands; but, behold, I say unto you, they are nigh, even at your doors, and not many years hence ye shall hear of wars in your own lands.

64 Wherefore I, the Lord, have said, gather ye out from the eastern lands, assemble ye yourselves together ye elders of my church; go ye forth into the western countries, call upon the inhabitants to repent, and inasmuch as they do repent, build up churches unto me.

65 And with one heart and with one mind, gather up your riches that ye may purchase an inheritance which shall hereafter be appointed unto you.

66 And it shall be called the New Jerusalem a land of peace (U.S.), a city of refuge, a place of safety for the saints of the Most High God;

67 And the glory of the Lord shall be there, and the terror of the Lord also shall be there, insomuch that the wicked will not come unto it, and it shall be called Zion.

68 And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety.

69 And there shall be gathered unto it out of every nation under heaven; and it shall be the only people that shall not be at war one with another.

70 And it shall be said among the wicked: Let us not go up to battle against Zion, for the inhabitants of Zion are terrible; wherefore we cannot stand.

71 And it shall come to pass that the righteous shall be gathered out from among all nations, and shall come to Zion, singing with songs of everlasting joy.

72 And now I say unto you, keep these things from going abroad unto the world until it is expedient in me, that ye may accomplish this work in the eyes of the people, and in the eyes of your enemies, that they may not know your works until ye have accomplished the thing which I have commanded you;

73 That when they shall know it, that they may consider these things.

74 For when the Lord shall appear he shall be terrible unto them, that fear may seize upon them, and they shall stand afar off and tremble.

75 And all nations shall be afraid because of the terror of the Lord, and the power of his might. Even so. Amen.
 

FFH

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wizanda said:
Rev 6:10
(10) And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Luk 18:6-8
(6) And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
(7) And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
(8) I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Two awesome scriptures which expand on the title of this thread perfectly.
 

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Doctrine and Covenants 77: 11

Question. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe?

Answer. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.


Revelation 7

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his teimple and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwelll among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
 
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