"...the coming of the Lord draweth nigh, and it overtaketh the world as a thief..."

[FFH]

I'm confused on what you are even asking. Can you re-word your question please?

She was just teasing me because I used to post a lot of Bible codes/matrices, but haven't done so in a while, so you wouldn't have known she was referring to me, not you, concerning this.

Would you care to see an example ???

Do I dare post the ones concerning this part of Revelation, which I discovered after I had come to these conclusions. Most of them had only reinforced what I had already known...

 

[yuvgotmel]

She was just teasing me because I used to post a lot of Bible codes/matrices, but haven't done so in a while, so you wouldn't have known she was referring to me, not you, concerning this.

Would you care to see an example ???

Do I dare post another one ???

As I have mentioned before, I am a friend of Art Levitt of the Torah Codes research team in Israel. He and I have shared extensive on-going email discussions on everything from the Torah Codes to my own research and writings and so on. I have a great appreciation for the scientific research that goes into the Torah Codes; and he and I last spoke before he and his team was going to be appearing before a scientific review board (which is a great honor and rarity in his field). I know quite a bit about the Torah Codes. That is why I wondered about the remark made.

If you like, you can post an example. However, I will say that much of what is passed off on the internet as the "Bible Codes findings" is pure bunk. There are statisical requirements which are often not met by many of the amateurs on the net, who feel that they have some word of wisdom because they obtained a computer program.

 

[FFH]

These things have already happened and are happening today....

It's an ongoing process that creeps up like a "thief in the night" until the "summer is past" and the "harvest is over" and "my soul is not saved"...

These scriptures go along with my thoughts, title and governing theme of this thread, in which I want to make it clear that these prophecies in Revelation, and the many others, found throughout the Bible and the Book of Mormon, point us in the direction of Christ's return within our lifetime.

Jeremiah 8: 20

The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

Doctrine and Covenants 45: 2

And again I say, hearken unto my voice, lest death shall overtake you; in an hour when ye think not the summer shall be past, and the harvest ended, and your souls not saved.

Doctrine and Covenants 56: 16

Wo unto you rich men, that will not give your substance to the poor, for your riches
will canker your souls; and this shall be your lamentation in the day of visitation, and of judgment, and of indignation: The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and my soul is not saved!

We are in that time when the "field is ripe alrady to harvest".

Christ does not want this day we are living in to overtake us as a thief in the night, because of wickedness, as was evident in the parable of the Ten Virgins, in which they were caught without any oil in their lamps, and they were locked out of the bridegroom chamber, which is symbolic of missing the first resurrection/rapture, when we will partake of the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb".

However there is a second chance for these unwise virgins who missed the morning of the first resurrection, who will come forth in the afternoon of the first resurrection to inherit the same glory as the ones who were ready at his first (second) coming. They will be ready at his second (third) coming, (if you cont his first coming to earth), which is the first fulfillment of that particular prophecy.

There is a first, second and third "watch" spoken of in scripture. Christ has already fulfilled the first watch, by coming to earth and dying for our sins. We are yet to see the second watch fulfilled, in which Christ will redeem those ready at his second coming. Then the third watch will be fulfilled when Christ returns to earth and redeems those who had to go through the second half of the final 7 year great trubulation, on earth.

 

[FFH]

As I have mentioned before, I am a friend of Art Levitt of the Torah Codes research team in Israel. He and I have shared extensive on-going email discussions on everything from the Torah Codes to my own research and writings and so on. I have a great appreciation for the scientific research that goes into the Torah Codes; and he and I last spoke before he and his team was going to be appearing before a scientific review board (which is a great honor and rarity in his field). I know quite a bit about the Torah Codes. That is why I wondered about the remark made.

If you like, you can post an example. However, I will say that much of what is passed off on the internet as the "Bible Codes findings" is pure bunk. There are statisical requirements which are often not met by many of the amateurs on the net, who feel that they have some word of wisdom because they obtained a computer program.

Wow, sorry, didn't know you were into that. Haven't seen you mention this before, so I assumed she was poking at me, which I think she also was.

Two witnesses are better than one. It's good to know I'm not the only one on the forum who recognizes the truth found in these matrices....

Now all we need to do is convince Alan of that. He thinks I've gone off the deep end.

I recognize there are false codes/matrices floating around out there.

 

[FFH]

On a personal note to you FFH:
It does appear that you are apparently driven to the area of divination of the future. There is probably little that I or anyone else could say or do to dissuade you from your inner motivation.

You sound so much like Alan, who posts on the forum. He has expressed a similar opinion regarding my belief in the Bible codes.

 

[FFH]

LOL. ok. I'm out of this craziness. Enjoy yourself...

I did a couple of Google searches to see if anyone else sees the Persian Gulf War as a fulfillment of the first part of Revelation 9.

Here's what I found using "5 month war Revelation" as search terms.
Persian Gulf War, Prophesies from Revelation

Here's another using some other similar search terms.
Invasion of Kuwait in Prophecy

Wasn't hard to find two right off the bat. This is the first I have seen of these sites myself and was in no way persuaded by an "outside" source for any of my conclusions/deductions. It was purely the spirit which dictated these things to my heart and mind as it began to unfold in late 1990 and became a full blown war within months.

 

[pladecalvo]

Reading through this thread, I can't help but think of Nostradamus and all of his "end of the world" predictions and how carelessly they've been twisted and interpreted to apply to anything and everything in the past 10 years.

Science takes the available proven evidence and uses it to agree a conclusion.

Religion starts with the conclusion and then looks for evidence that will agree with that conclusion.

 

[joeboonda]

Science takes the available proven evidence and uses it to agree a conclusion.

Religion starts with the conclusion and then looks for evidence that will agree with that conclusion.

Not entirely, evolutionists use 'historical science' so to speak to try to prove the THEORY of evoulution, a theory with a LOT of holes in it. Christians adhere to the Word of God when science seemingly says different, which occurred in the mid 1800s-mid 1900s. Now most of the seeming scientific proofs against the Bible have been utterly destroyed and the Bible and any scientific statement therein stand more glorious than ever. (I recall some 66 so-called scientific proofs laid out in an article in the 1800s that actually caused men to doubt the Bible, and now every one of those has been proven false and the Bible true.)

1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

 

[yuvgotmel]

Wow, sorry, didn't know you were into that. Haven't seen you mention this before, so I assumed she was poking at me, which I think she also was.

Two witnesses are better than one. It's good to know I'm not the only one on the forum who recognizes the truth found in these matrices....

Now all we need to do is convince Alan of that. He thinks I've gone off the deep end.

I recognize there are false codes/matrices floating around out there.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=739202#post739202

In the thread linked above, I mentioned that I knew one of the Torah Codes researchers. You never answered that question by the way; and I asked the question because I have never seen any codes speaking about what you wrote about in that thread (linked above).

I am not sure if you are aware of it, but the two books written on "The Bible Codes" by Michael Drosnin were not orchastrated with the support of the offical Torah Codes research team. Even though the author Michael Drosnin wrote that he and Eli Rips had conversations, I was told that the author took liberties in exaggerating the relationship. Michael Drosnin's books should be taken with a grain of salt, as the information contained in them are not fully accepted by the official Torah Codes research team.

My friend Art Levitt does work on the team with Eli Rips and has been on History Channel documentaries, etc. Their team in Israel, of about 7 people (not sure of the exact number), have been accepted before scientific review boards. Their work has gained enough recognition to be considered worthy of substance in the scientific community.

 

[logician]

People have been predicting the "end" of the world, (actually I guess, the last judgement) for the last 2k years and it ain't happened.

And it never will happen.

 

[pladecalvo]

Not entirely, evolutionists use 'historical science' so to speak to try to prove the THEORY of evoulution, a theory with a LOT of holes in it. Christians adhere to the Word of God when science seemingly says different, which occurred in the mid 1800s-mid 1900s. Now most of the seeming scientific proofs against the Bible have been utterly destroyed and the Bible and any scientific statement therein stand more glorious than ever. (I recall some 66 so-called scientific proofs laid out in an article in the 1800s that actually caused men to doubt the Bible, and now every one of those has been proven false and the Bible true.)

Well I wouldn't throw a street party based on dis-proving the science of the 1800's if I were you. Do you have any examples of modern day scientific research which proves the bible wrong, that has been shown to be false?

 

[SoyLeche]

Well I wouldn't throw a street party based on dis-proving the science of the 1800's if I were you. Do you have any examples of modern day scientific research which proves the bible wrong, that has been shown to be false?

In 200 years they'll probably say the same thing about the "science of the 2000's". NTTAWWT.

 

[pladecalvo]

In 200 years they'll probably say the same thing about the "science of the 2000's". NTTAWWT.

No doubt! BTW. Did you know your user name means 'I am milk' in Spanish?

 

[SoyLeche]

No doubt! BTW. Did you know your user name means 'I am milk' in Spanish?

Why in the world would I have it that way if I didn't???

 

[FFH]

No doubt! BTW. Did you know your user name means 'I am milk' in Spanish?

Funny...

 

[FFH]

Where did you read about the "Bible codes" speaking of an "entrance into the core of the earth"??

Okay, sorry, yeah I missed that or just got distracted with some other stuff and never got back to this question...

The Bible code that refers to this talks of a literal entrance into hell, where the wicked, who remain on this earth, will be thrown into alive, when Christ returns with his saints to rule and reign in righteousness on this earth....

The location is in Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming.

Sulphur is a smell synonymous with hell and many have confirmed smelling this smell when evil spirits are around...Master Vigil, who used to post here, works with these types of spirits on a daily basis, yet he does not believe in hell, but has smelled this smell when certain spirits are around, which I beleive are evil...

If you have ever been to Yellowstone the sulphur smell is quite bad when you are near the hot springs there....

I will look for the Bible code that refers to this, but it may take a while and I forget very easily the next day, what I meant to do today....

So you will have to remind me if I don't get to it...

Will post the Bible code here if I can find it again..

I know it sounds weird, but volcanos, sulphur, hot springs, etc. are just reminders of the realities of hell that lay beneath our feet at the center of the earth...

 

[FFH]

Yellowstone National Park

Yellowstone Volcano Observatoryhttp://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/

Super Volcano Yellowstone

Volcano Monitoring at Yellowstone National Park

 

[Comprehend]

The Bible code that refers to this talks of a literal entrance into hell, where the wicked, who remain on this earth, will be thrown into alive, when Christ returns with his saints to rule and reign in righteousness on this earth....

The location is in Yellowstone National Park, located in Northern Utah....

Everyone who thinks Yellowstone is located in Northern Utah, raise your hand....



...now slap yourself in the face with it.



http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/interactivemap/yelllocationmap.htm

 

[joeboonda]

Well I wouldn't throw a street party based on dis-proving the science of the 1800's if I were you. Do you have any examples of modern day scientific research which proves the bible wrong, that has been shown to be false?

Oh yeah, there is a lot, the 66 statements were just an example, sorry to be so 'out of date', lol. I have some books full of things that were falsified and distorted, like some of the 'pre-historic' men built up from the jaw of an *** or some such thing. Its not the subject of this thread, and i don't want to interrupt these guys, so sometime perhaps I will jump into one of those 'creationist vs evolutionist' threads