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The Creationist's Argument and its Greatest Weakness

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Apealing the Cambridge and Oxford fellows does ot help your case, because they have no intention of supporting fundamentalist creationists.

Exactly! That makes it extremely helpful, because...

they've included the term with its definition.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
For years I've been telling any creationists who will listen that even if they disproved evolutionary theory tomorrow, killed it dead, buried, never coming back, that still wouldn't prove creationism. They tend not to like being told this.
No they don't.

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dfnj

Well-Known Member
I believe most conspiracy theories are born from the desperate human need to find order in a random universe. To some people, the idea that a secret evil cabal causes earthquakes and kidnaps babies for their own evil purposes is more comforting than accepting that sometimes random bad stuff can just happen to anyone at any time.

Although there certainly is a subset of conspiracy theorists for whom conspiracy serves as a rationalisation to excuse their own failings or failings of their group, sure. "We didn't lose because we didn't know what we were doing with no preparation, we lost because of the conspiracy against us by forces beyond our control"

Many times the conspiracy theories turn out to be right on the truth. But I do agree people generally do not like to admit failure and prefer to blame losing a close game on the referees.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Many times the conspiracy theories turn out to be right on the truth. But I do agree people generally do not like to admit failure and prefer to blame losing a close game on the referees.
Really? Yes, there have been conspiracies in the past, but I do not know of any times that conspiracy theorists were ever right.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
An omnipotent God not only created all the energy in the Universe but invented the laws of physics and defined the Universal constant values to be optimal in supporting life. I would assume an omnipotent God is well versed in molecular programming the same way we create virtual reality with computers. Can you imagine what God's mental bus speeds and CPU bandwidth might be to be able to simulate and imagine every possibility before He creates the one reality He wishes to observe. Maybe reality is just a dream in God's mind.

An omnipotent God can create the Universe in any amount of time exactly as it is described in the Bible including all the fake fossil and carbon dating evidence.

Too many people in this thread are not giving enough respect to the just how powerful an omnipotent being would be.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
An omnipotent God not only created all the energy in the Universe but invented the laws of physics and defined the Universal constant values to be optimal in supporting life. I would assume an omnipotent God is well versed in molecular programming the same way we create virtual reality with computers. Can you imagine what God's mental bus speeds and CPU bandwidth might be to be able to simulate and imagine every possibility before He creates the one reality He wishes to observe. Maybe reality is just a dream in God's mind.

An omnipotent God can create the Universe in any amount of time exactly as it is described in the Bible including all the fake fossil and carbon dating evidence.

Too many people in this thread are not giving enough respect to the just how powerful an omnipotent being would be.

I consider God 'inventing' is kind of foolishly anthropomorphic.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
An omnipotent God not only created all the energy in the Universe but invented the laws of physics and defined the Universal constant values to be optimal in supporting life. I would assume an omnipotent God is well versed in molecular programming the same way we create virtual reality with computers. Can you imagine what God's mental bus speeds and CPU bandwidth might be to be able to simulate and imagine every possibility before He creates the one reality He wishes to observe. Maybe reality is just a dream in God's mind.

An omnipotent God can create the Universe in any amount of time exactly as it is described in the Bible including all the fake fossil and carbon dating evidence.

Too many people in this thread are not giving enough respect to the just how powerful an omnipotent being would be.
Arguing for a lying god is a self defeating argument.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Really? Yes, there have been conspiracies in the past, but I do not know of any times that conspiracy theorists were ever right.

That's because you are too close minded to accept any other reality than what the propaganda is feeding you. Look, I get it. You are too smart to be hoodwinked by propaganda.

Anyway, you might find this interested if you are not completely programmed to think anything associated with the word "conspiracy" is automatically false:

"Whenever the term ‘conspiracy theory’ is used, it is usually followed by a dose of ridicule and prejudice. People often dismiss anything labeled as a conspiracy theory simply because it isn’t socially acceptable, and is often perceived as something that only crazy and paranoid people find plausible and worthy of their time. From time to time, certain conspiracy theories are proven to be true, which makes us wonder what else is disguised as fiction. We bring you seven interesting conspiracy theories that turned out to be true."

7 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True | News, Facts & Other Information You Love - UncoverDiscover.com

Of course, there are a lot subjective judgments in deciding what is "truth". I'm absolutely 100% sure there is nothing I'm going to say that will change your concrete mind about anything.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's because you are too close minded to accept any other reality than what the propaganda is feeding you. Look, I get it. You are too smart to be hoodwinked by propaganda.

Anyway, you might find this interested if you are not completely programmed to think anything associated with the word "conspiracy" is automatically false:

"Whenever the term ‘conspiracy theory’ is used, it is usually followed by a dose of ridicule and prejudice. People often dismiss anything labeled as a conspiracy theory simply because it isn’t socially acceptable, and is often perceived as something that only crazy and paranoid people find plausible and worthy of their time. From time to time, certain conspiracy theories are proven to be true, which makes us wonder what else is disguised as fiction. We bring you seven interesting conspiracy theories that turned out to be true."

7 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True | News, Facts & Other Information You Love - UncoverDiscover.com

Of course, there are a lot subjective judgments in deciding what is "truth". I'm absolutely 100% sure there is nothing I'm going to say that will change your concrete mind about anything.
No, that is because I am not so open minded that my brain has fallen out.

You made a rather serious charge. What propaganda? Be specific.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
No, that is because I am not so open minded that my brain has fallen out.

You made a rather serious charge. What propaganda? Be specific.

You ask for what conspiracies turn out to be true I gave you seven. I'm sure there are lot more.

This will help you get started on becoming aware of propaganda techniques being used:

 

Audie

Veteran Member
No, that is because I am not so open minded that my brain has fallen out.

You made a rather serious charge. What propaganda? Be specific.
Really? Yes, there have been conspiracies in the past, but I do not know of any times that conspiracy theorists were ever right.

"Conspiracy theorists" are afflicted with correlation
sickness. It is like seasickness, but the projectile
vomiting is verbal.

Of course there are real conspiracies, but a c.t.
(Conspiracy theorist) is about as likely to do the
demanding work of figuring it out as a c.s. (Creation
Scientist) is to do the research that could disprove ToE.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You ask for what conspiracies turn out to be true I gave you seven. I'm sure there are lot more.

This will help you get started on becoming aware of propaganda techniques being used:


Wrong. I asked you for times that the conspiracy theorists were right. Go back and read the challenge again.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Really? Yes, there have been conspiracies in the past, but I do not know of any times that conspiracy theorists were ever right.
Aww come on! Are you trying to say flat earth isn't right? If you get a few spare minutes check out Hans Wormhat on youtube, his fake animal conspiracies are particularly convincing.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
LOL! I am not responsible for your ignorance. If you ever really want to go down the rabbit hole watch these films:

Films | Metanoia Films
I am not the ignorant one here. I checked out your first link and looked up the second conspiracy. You can't seem to understand that both @Audie and I admitted that there had been conspiracies in the past. The second conspiracy was about MKUltra. A real conspiracy. How was it exposed? Victims of it contacted people in the government that exposed it. Where were the conspiracy theorists on that one? The challenge was to find a time that they were right, not that there was a conspiracy in the first place.
 
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