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The Darwin Delusion

a lung that is not like that of a reptile, and not like that of a bird, due to being in a state of change. due to the bones of the animal changing gradually over many years, and so a lung that is similar to a reptile and to a bird wich can be supported by the chest bone of that particular fossil, shoud exist.

but it doesn't

Fossils of soft tissue are rare. To assume that just because no such fossil has been found is not evidence to the contrary.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Fossils of soft tissue are rare. To assume that just because no such fossil has been found is not evidence to the contrary.

i would not be expecting anyone to find soft tissues on a fossil imprint that is some 150 milion years old. i am talking about the chest bone, thats how they determine what kind of a lung a creature had. and the chest bone can be very easily replicaed from an imprint.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
oh like you or anyother evolutionists has never said to us creationists "did creatures just magically poof out of knowhere"? as if thats how it happened.

But isn't god willing things into existance pretty much the same as things "just magically poofing out of nowhere?" Is there an actual elaborate and detailed process, and if so why would god need one?
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
But isn't god willing things into existance pretty much the same as things "just magically poofing out of nowhere?" Is there an actual elaborate and detailed process, and if so why would god need one?

well take the creation of man for example as explained in the quran, we have been made from a drop of water and clay and the rest is only known to Allah (swt).

even the earth was not just created by a magical poof, there are volcanoes that support gradual creation. which we see today happening in hawai where the volcanoes are making the island expand.
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Anti-thesisofreason
Please explain why evolution is impossible.

Giving references would help also so we can look up this information ourselves and also be enlightened.
very simple question.

the so called 'transitional fossils' that are put forwards by evolutionists do not suppor the features of the 2 cretures that it is supposedly evolving from and evolving into. for example a bird that has half a dinosaur lung and half a bird lung.

no such fossil has been found that supports visual changes but rather, they support 'magic poofing'
You are arguing from ignorance again. Just because we cannot prove to you that dinosaurs evolved into birds doesn't prove that it is impossible.

Before you could even begin to prove evolution is impossible, you would have to first show how all of the published literature out there supporting it is wrong. Since you haven't even shown that you understand them, refuting them will be even more difficult.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
You are arguing from ignorance again. Just because we cannot prove to you that dinosaurs evolved into birds doesn't prove that it is impossible.

it sure is, and it does a hell of a job to show the true ignorance and denial of evolutionists.

Before you could even begin to prove evolution is impossible, you would have to first show how all of the published literature out there supporting it is wrong. Since you haven't even shown that you understand them, refuting them will be even more difficult.

i believe i have already done that, in this thread and in a few others, if you dissagree, then please dissprove what i have said.
 
i would not be expecting anyone to find soft tissues on a fossil imprint that is some 150 milion years old. i am talking about the chest bone, thats how they determine what kind of a lung a creature had. and the chest bone can be very easily replicaed from an imprint.

But they have been found.

Rare Mummified Dinosaur Unearthed: Contains Skin, and Maybe Organs, Muscle

T. Rex Soft Tissue Found Preserved

However you also fail to provide resources that support your information.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
well take the creation of man for example as explained in the quran, we have been made from a drop of water and clay and the rest is only known to Allah (swt).

even the earth was not just created by a magical poof, there are volcanoes that support gradual creation. which we see today happening in hawai where the volcanoes are making the island expand.

So you believe in the science of geology and plate tectonics, but not in the science of biology and evolution? They both use the same methods of examination and experimentation to reach their conclusions, but you reject one and not the other just because of some primitive sand dwellers' ancient scratchings?
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
here is evidence that supports my claims;

The Lungs of Reptiles vs The Lungs of Birds;




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THE SPECIAL LUNGS OF BIRDS
Birds have a very different anatomy from their alleged ancestors, the reptiles. Bird lungs operate in a completely different fashion from those of mammals. Mammals inhale and exhale air through the same windpipe. In birds, however, the air enters and exits through opposite ends. A special "design" such as this has been created to provide for the high volumes of air needed during flight. Evolution of such a structure from that of reptiles is not possible.

The respiratory system of mammals and birds operate on completely different principles, primarily because birds need oxygen in much greater quantities than do mammals. For example, a certain bird could require up to twenty times the amount of oxygen necessary for humans. Therefore, the lungs of mammals cannot provide oxygen in the quantities required by birds. This is why the lungs of birds are created upon a much different design.
In mammals, air flow is bidirectional: air travels through a network of channels, and stops at the small air sacs. Oxygen-carbon dioxide exchange takes place here. Used air follows a reverse course in leaving the lung and is discharged through the windpipe.
On contrary, in birds, air flow is unidirectional. New air comes in one end, and the used air goes out the other end. This provides an uninterrupted supply of oxygen for birds, which satisfies their need for high levels of energy. Michael Denton, an Australian biochemist and a well-known critic of Darwinism, explains the avian lung in this way:
In the case of birds, the major bronchi break down into tiny tubes which permeate the lung tissue. These so-called parabronchi eventually join up together again, forming a true circulatory system so that air flows in one direction through the lungs…. Although air sacs occur in certain reptilian groups, the structure of the lung in birds and the overall functioning of the respiratory system is quite unique. No lung in any other vertebrate species is known which in any way approaches the avian system. Moreover, it is identical in all essential details in birds…
In his book A Theory in Crisis, Michael Denton also points out to the impossibility of formation of such a perfect system through progressive evolution:


050.jpg

Unidirectional airflow in the bird's lungs is facilitated by a system of air-sacs. These sacs collect air and then pump it regularly into the lung. In this way, there is always fresh air in the lungs. A complex respiratory system such as this has been created to satisfy birds' needs for high quantities of oxygen.​

Just how such an utterly different respiratory system could have evolved gradually from the standard vertebrate design is fantastically difficult to envisage, especially bearing in mind that the maintenance of respiratory function is absolutely vital to the life of an organism to the extent that the slightest malfunction leads to death within minutes. Just as the feather cannot function as an organ of flight until the hooks and barbules are coadapted to fit together perfectly, so the avian lung cannot function as an organ of respiration until the parabronchi system which permeates it and the air sac system which guarantees the parabronchi their air supply are both highly developed and able to function together in a perfectly integrated manner.
In short, the transition from mammal lung to avian lung is impossible due to the fact that the lung that would be in a transitional developmental stage would have no functionality. No creature without lungs can live for even a few minutes. Therefore, the creature simply would not have millions of years to wait for random mutations to save its life.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
So you believe in the science of geology and plate tectonics, but not in the science of evolution and biology? They both use the same methods of examination and experimentation to reach their conclusions, but you reject one and not the other just because of some primitive sand dwellers' ancient scratchings?

actually what i would call primitive are not some sand people, but rather civilised modern people who think they are chimps. i feel sorry for you guys, i really do.

what else are humans to do appart from take care of the dissadvantaged monekys of the wild and especially humans who think they are apes.
 
here is evidence that supports my claims;

The Lungs of Reptiles vs The Lungs of Birds;




049.jpg






THE SPECIAL LUNGS OF BIRDS
Birds have a very different anatomy from their alleged ancestors, the reptiles. Bird lungs operate in a completely different fashion from those of mammals. Mammals inhale and exhale air through the same windpipe. In birds, however, the air enters and exits through opposite ends. A special "design" such as this has been created to provide for the high volumes of air needed during flight. Evolution of such a structure from that of reptiles is not possible.

The respiratory system of mammals and birds operate on completely different principles, primarily because birds need oxygen in much greater quantities than do mammals. For example, a certain bird could require up to twenty times the amount of oxygen necessary for humans. Therefore, the lungs of mammals cannot provide oxygen in the quantities required by birds. This is why the lungs of birds are created upon a much different design.
In mammals, air flow is bidirectional: air travels through a network of channels, and stops at the small air sacs. Oxygen-carbon dioxide exchange takes place here. Used air follows a reverse course in leaving the lung and is discharged through the windpipe.
On contrary, in birds, air flow is unidirectional. New air comes in one end, and the used air goes out the other end. This provides an uninterrupted supply of oxygen for birds, which satisfies their need for high levels of energy. Michael Denton, an Australian biochemist and a well-known critic of Darwinism, explains the avian lung in this way:
In the case of birds, the major bronchi break down into tiny tubes which permeate the lung tissue. These so-called parabronchi eventually join up together again, forming a true circulatory system so that air flows in one direction through the lungs…. Although air sacs occur in certain reptilian groups, the structure of the lung in birds and the overall functioning of the respiratory system is quite unique. No lung in any other vertebrate species is known which in any way approaches the avian system. Moreover, it is identical in all essential details in birds…
In his book A Theory in Crisis, Michael Denton also points out to the impossibility of formation of such a perfect system through progressive evolution:


050.jpg

Unidirectional airflow in the bird's lungs is facilitated by a system of air-sacs. These sacs collect air and then pump it regularly into the lung. In this way, there is always fresh air in the lungs. A complex respiratory system such as this has been created to satisfy birds' needs for high quantities of oxygen.​

Just how such an utterly different respiratory system could have evolved gradually from the standard vertebrate design is fantastically difficult to envisage, especially bearing in mind that the maintenance of respiratory function is absolutely vital to the life of an organism to the extent that the slightest malfunction leads to death within minutes. Just as the feather cannot function as an organ of flight until the hooks and barbules are coadapted to fit together perfectly, so the avian lung cannot function as an organ of respiration until the parabronchi system which permeates it and the air sac system which guarantees the parabronchi their air supply are both highly developed and able to function together in a perfectly integrated manner.
In short, the transition from mammal lung to avian lung is impossible due to the fact that the lung that would be in a transitional developmental stage would have no functionality. No creature without lungs can live for even a few minutes. Therefore, the creature simply would not have millions of years to wait for random mutations to save its life.

You provide words and diagrams but no reference to your source
What is the source of this information?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I wonder is anyone will ever learn to respect anyone else.

Respect is a two way street, and in that sense people should be respected if it's mutual, but beliefs in of themselves don't necessarily warrant respect, especially if they're unsubstantiated, irrational and require one to wallow in denial, willful ignorance and self deceit in order to adhere to them.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
actually what i would call primitive are not some sand people, but rather civilised modern people who think they are chimps. i feel sorry for you guys, i really do.

And you wonder why we correct you when you say stupid things like "an ape turned into a human". None of us thinks humans are chimps. That's why we have two different species, humans and chimps. However, humans are apes. That's a fact.
 
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