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The Day of Judgment

darkpenguin

Charismatic Enigma
YmirGF said:
Hope that I was a believer? Que? Peace, my "god" already knows me well. I have no worries or concerns that I may be wrong. At least I already admit it. (Pity others can’t seem to.)

True, oh so very true!
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Peace said:
Sure, He will do whatever He wants with you.



Are you sure? :) won't you ask for a way out :help:
I have lived a very privileged physical existence. I experienced many different opportunities, met a lot of great people, overcame many challenges and acquired much knowledge. There isn’t a judgment that GOD could pass that would make me regret any of those aspects. If GOD wanted to destroy me or make my afterlife miserable, the only excuse that I could provide was that I did the best with the circumstances and to thank Him for the ride.
 

darkpenguin

Charismatic Enigma
Gentoo said:
When we're ready (determined by either us, or the Gods) we are returned to earth for another crack at it. But first, the Gods take our memory of our past lives, for a reason I'm not too sure about.

IMO thats where deja vu kicks in, they're like little nudges from your past life urging you not to make the same mistakes again!
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
darkpenguin said:
IMO thats where deja vu kicks in, they're like little nudges from your past life urging you not to make the same mistakes again!

Yeah, or sometimes you just know things. You don't consciously know why you do, but you just do.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Peace said:
What will be your feeling like?
  • Feeling a great remorse for not preparing for the afterlife
  • Ask forgiveness from God
  • Waiting for God's mercy on you
  • Hope that you were a believer
  • Other
I would ask for a complete anniliation of my soul or spirit.

If he is powerful enough to create, then he can uncreate me. I didn't ask for an afterlife, so I would like non-existence when I die. I don't want no reward, and ask for none.

From the way I see it, I do not think that he is fit to judge and reward or punish me (or anyone else for that matter), since he doesn't know what a mortal life is like.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Peace said:
And what would you do if that's really what will happen? If you open your eyes and find yourself brought to account and thus find out that you were totally wrong ?
Like the aGnostic Storyteller commented I would demand non-existence. I would not want to exist in a reality governed by a pyschopathic, pathetically insecure "God". Otoh, Muslims are fond of chanting how merciful their dear vision of God is, so again, I have no worries. As God already knows me well, I am sure that He/She/It really ought to understand. In your terms, not mine, it is His fault that I view my reality as I do. I didn't go sticking my nose into his reality, He stuck his nose into mine. Again, that is in your terms, not mine nor is it the way I view those "events".

For your edification I wrote in another thread yesterday about a vision/visitation I was "blessed" with that lasted about 8 hours, although it may have only been around 6 hours in reality. (Time gets a bit woozy under such conditions.)

YmirGF said:
Ok, try this on for size. I have personally seen what some would call "god". This vision lasted for approximately eight hours and remains one of the most dazzling memories I have acquired in this short lifetime. The vision was of Vishnu laying on the serpentine Sesanaga. I will tell you this, it certainly seemed like "god" and you certainly could have fooled me and it certainly appeared to be the source of everything. You have to understand that worship was not required, if anything, it was discouraged. Simply being there was quite enough for "the boss" as He(she/it) doesn't get a lot of visitors these days.

You can perhaps imagine how hard I chuckle when I hear people tell me "You cannot know god" or "god is unknowable". "Really?" I tend to muse. I do wonder what it was that I have had the good fortune to see? I guess it only counts for the Abrahamic god and if that is the case, then that is truly sad. Poor blighters.

As I have gotten used to my view of "god" my viewpoint has morphed over the decades. Mysterious force? No, not really, although people have some pretty mysterious ideas about what "god" is. PS: I do not follow the Abrahamic version of god, nor would it ever occur to me to do so. It has always struck me as being a very stunted vision of this aspect of reality.

Two things stood out. One was the unimaginable love -- sadly, it can only be directly experienced. The second was the unbounded joy or ecstasy.

To totally fry your brain cells, I should note that I have gone well past this early "vision" of "god". I doubt anyone here could understand what I now directly perceive. There are no words to describe it really. Ah well, I don't claim to be right or the only one who "knows". Just something for folks to ponder.

In light of this, Peace, there is little anyone can tell me about God that will get me quaking in my boots. I summarily reject the God(s) of Abraham and will never submit to that delusion.


Peace said:
Actually, I do pity you much more than others.
How sad. Peace, keep your pity. I neither want it or require it. Peace, what you cannot understand is that your thinking is currently trapped within Duality. The individual must grow beyond such timid thinking in order to make certain spiritual progress. I hope that helps. BTW: I, YmirGF, officialy proclaim that Judgment Day is cancelled, but you are all welcome to wait till the end of time itself hoping for your shallow rewards and punishments.

PS: Peace, you are in for some huge surprises. What are you going to do when you find out it is you (and 1.3 billion others) that is wrong? Don't worry there are no penalities, although you may end up feeling more than a little silly.
 

Random

Well-Known Member
You judge yourself and find the life you thus deserve hereafter. There is no external God to do this for you: no supralogical entity or being apart from you can condemn or forgive you for no such thing exists that hath the competence or power. I AM, forever.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Godlike said:
You judge yourself and find the life you thus deserve hereafter. There is no external God to do this for you: no supralogical entity or being apart from you can condemn or forgive you for no such thing exists that hath the competence or power. I AM, forever.
Correct Conor, that Clear Light of Reality knoweth no bounds. :bow:
 

Peace

Quran & Sunnah
YmirGF said:
In your terms, not mine, it is His fault that I view my reality as I do.

No, it's not in our terms. It is not His fault; it's yours. God created good and evil within everyone of us and has shown us guidance and has given us free will to choose what to believe and what not to believe. Thus, it's not His fault that you don't believe in Him, for it's up to you to do so.

YmirFG said:
I didn't go sticking my nose into his reality, He stuck his nose into mine. Again, that is in your terms, not mine nor is it the way I view those "events".

Hahaha, in spite your disbelieve that God is your creator, but still He is your creator whether you like it or not.

YmirFG said:
I summarily reject the God(s) of Abraham and will never submit to that delusion.

Well no body will force you to believe in what you don't want to believe. It's your decision and it's up to you, but don't blame anybody when you will found out what you disbelieve is true and a reality.


YmirFG said:
How sad. Peace, keep your pity. I neither want it or require it. Peace, what you cannot understand is that your thinking is currently trapped within Duality. The individual must grow beyond such timid thinking in order to make certain spiritual progress.

would you explain to me how am I trapped within Duality YmirGF?
BTW, I am happy with what I am and I thank God daily for that and I am, with Allah's help and support, in a constant spiritual progress alhamdulillah!

YmirFG said:
BTW: I, YmirGF, officialy proclaim that Judgment Day is cancelled

:biglaugh:come on you made me laugh YmirGF, what are you saying? Who you are to tell us that?


YmirGF said:
, but you are all welcome to wait till the end of time itself hoping for your shallow rewards and punishments.

So will wait together and see, deal? I am looking forward that Day. But just promise me if you find yourself wrong to tell God that I (Peace) told you there is a Judgement Day but you laughed at me and pity me for that belief. Promise?

YmirGF said:
PS: Peace, you are in for some huge surprises. What are you going to do when you find out it is you (and 1.3 billion others) that is wrong? Don't worry there are no penalities, although you may end up feeling more than a little silly.


I won't find out that I am wrong and I won't find out that I am silly nor my 1.3 billion brothers and sisters, we are certain 100% and we have no doubt in our belief.
If I am to find out that I am wrong, though I am sure that I am not, I won't lose anything. Unfortunately, it is not the case with you.
Let's just wait and see :)

Peace
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
JamesThePersian said:
I wasn't aware that the Abrahamic faiths had a common view of the afterlife. Certainly, our view is not only different to the Muslim one but even to that of many western Christians. I'm not quite sure where we stand with respect to Judaism but I very much doubt that it's the same.

In details, perhaps not, but I think it's fairly reasonable to state that Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the Baha'i Faith all believe a) there is an afterlife, and b) it doesn't involve reincarnation.

I would also add that, with the exception of our LDS friends and a few others, the common belief is that what survives after death is not a physical body.

Are these elements part of Orthodox Christian belief? I could easily have been mistaken.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
YmirGF said:
I will be extremely surprised if Judgment Day arrives. At this juncture in time I consider such tales to be the delusions perpetrated by inept scoundrels. :yes:

It's entirely possible that the Judgement Day you don't believe in, I don't believe in either. ;)
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Peace said:
I won't find out that I am wrong and I won't find out that I am silly nor my 1.3 billion brothers and sisters, we are certain 100% and we have no doubt in our belief.
The thing is, Christians tell me that they're 100% and have no doubt either -- and say that you and your 1.3 billion are going to rot in hell for eternity.

Um...so who's a poor sod supposed to believe?
 

lunamoth

Will to love
Booko said:
I would also add that, with the exception of our LDS friends and a few others, the common belief is that what survives after death is not a physical body.

Hi Booko,

This is not exactly correct. In Christianity it is believed that we will be 'bodily' resurrected. Now, whether that body is at all like the physical body we have now is unknown...too lazy to look up Corinithians now but even if I did I think that is poetic language anyway.

Two points about this. First, I think it underscores the Christian view of creation as being 'good,' not something from which we much escape, even if in its current state is in need of much healing.

Second, and this is just musings on my part and not really important. Because of my experience in this life, it's impossible for me to imagine that our soul can have any kind of self-awareness unless in conjuction with some kind of body. I don't think of the soul as energy or anything that can be expressed in physical terms, but an analogy is that it is as light to a mirror, it's only detected/manifested when striking a physical body (thinking also of Seven Valleys, the light and colored bodies...). If my being is part of/within/from the Source of all Being, I will experience no self-awareness, nothing that could be called thought or love or anything, when merged in oneness. Only when I'm "reflected" off a "body" of some kind to give me individuality can I have awareness/knowledge/love/experience. If we are to experience love in the next life we need to have something that is the equivalent of a body to give us the required dualism for 'self' awareness.

This is also related I think to the idea of the Trinity. God is Love and Love requires interaction in the Persons of the Trinity.

2c
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Peace said:
No, it's not in our terms. It is not His fault; it's yours. God created good and evil within everyone of us and has shown us guidance and has given us free will to choose what to believe and what not to believe. Thus, it's not His fault that you don't believe in Him, for it's up to you to do so.
Peace, Peace, Peace. I am a few steps beyond your "lying, timid morality and so, I am beyond caring." You insistence that you (and others) are "right" has zero effect on my thinking or direct experience.
Peace said:
Hahaha, in spite your disbelieve that God is your creator, but still He is your creator whether you like it or not.
Peace, your pale imitation of what god is does not impress me.

Let me restate that I contemptuously reject the Abrahmic vision of God, so please, do not be disrespectful and refer to your god as my god. How dare you, really.
Peace said:
Well no body will force you to believe in what you don't want to believe. It's your decision and it's up to you, but don't blame anybody when you will found out what you disbelieve is true and a reality.
How many more times do I have to say, "I could be wrong"? There is the distinct reality that I am practically the only contributor to ReligiousForums.Com that specifically states, "What do I know?" "I may be wrong." Perhaps, others should take the hint.
Peace said:
would you explain to me how am I trapped within Duality YmirGF?
Peace said:
BTW, I am happy with what I am and I thank God daily for that and I am, with Allah's help and support, in a constant spiritual progress alhamdulillah!
Read up on dualistic thought, Peace. Others have explained it well enough for you to get the drift. The mighty Wicki scores a good opening salvo here.
Peace said:
:biglaugh:come on you made me laugh YmirGF, what are you saying? Who you are to tell us that?
Who are you to say I cannot state such. Glad it tickled your funny bone though.
Peace said:
So will wait together and see, deal? I am looking forward that Day. But just promise me if you find yourself wrong to tell God that I (Peace) told you there is a Judgement Day but you laughed at me and pity me for that belief. Promise?
Sadly Peace, you are hardly the first Muslim to offer me these "keen insights". Regretfully I shall not say... but I'll make you a deal. After we are both dead and gone I will alot some "time" to come and visit with you and we shall discuss things that will warm your heart.
Peace said:
I won't find out that I am wrong and I won't find out that I am silly nor my 1.3 billion brothers and sisters, we are certain 100% and we have no doubt in our belief.
Peace said:
If I am to find out that I am wrong, though I am sure that I am not, I won't lose anything. Unfortunately, it is not the case with you.
Let's just wait and see :) Peace
Oh, I know you are 100% certain, Peace, as that is why I said you are trapped in your dualistic thought. But you are correct, we will have to wait and see. We WILL see who has the last laugh, but quite frankly, I am already chuckling.
 

Peace

Quran & Sunnah
YmirGF said:
Peace, Peace, Peace. I am a few steps beyond your "lying, timid morality and so, I am beyond caring."

Paul, Paul, Paul. I am not lying and I hate lying and it is against the teaching of my religion.


YmirFG said:
Let me restate that I contemptuously reject the Abrahmic vision of God, so please, do not be disrespectful and refer to your god as my god. How dare you, really.

Sorry Paul but I meant no offense and I didn't mean to be disrespectful, for it is against my nature, but I only said the truth.


YmirFG said:
How many more times do I have to say, "I could be wrong"? There is the distinct reality that I am practically the only contributor to ReligiousForums.Com that specifically states, "What do I know?" "I may be wrong."


Yes, you are Paul and you will find that out sooner or later. Again I mean no offense, but I speak what I believe. So sorry if my words offend you.


[QUOTE=YmirFG]Who are you to say I cannot state such. [/quote]

Too simply the way you stated that implies that you have a super power to state that we won't be judged and there is no Judgement Day.



YmirFG said:
Sadly Peace, you are hardly the first Muslim to offer me these "keen insights". Regretfully I shall not say... but I'll make you a deal. After we are both dead and gone I will alot some "time" to come and visit with you and we shall discuss things that will warm your heart.

Fine! after our death we will both find out the truth and we will both accept it as it is.

YmirFG said:
Oh, I know you are 100% certain, Peace, as that is why I said you are trapped in your dualistic thought. But you are correct, we will have to wait and see. We WILL see who has the last laugh

I am looking forward that Paul to see who will have the last laugh. I am not trapped by the way :)

YmirGF said:
but quite frankly, I am already chuckling.
:D

P.S: I would like to clarify one thing to you Paul, is that when I speak about my religion and about God, I don't speak out of hatred but out of love. By the One whose my soul is in His Hands when I say that I pity you I say it out of love and pity and because I love good for all people and I don't mean to be sarcastic or rude or to offend anybody.

Peace
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I don't actually believe in THE Judgement day.
nor do I believe in Bodily resurrection.
But I WOULD say I was a Christian.

I do not think it is likely we shall be resurrected, all at the same time; then stand in line for our turn to be Judged.
That to me is too simplistic a view, arrived at with little thought, and by being a slave to the recorded guesses of a far more primative religious views.

I believe when we die we are at once resurrected in spirit; we return to GOD shorn of our sin, since sin has no place in the presence of God.( this is what Judgement is).
Our spirit purified then returns as part of Gods presence.

I doubt very much we retain an awareness of our old self, any more than a butterfly remembers being a caterpillar. A butterfly is, I am sure, very happy to be what it is.
Just as we shall be happy, to be what we are, with God.
 
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