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The deep why of it all

torrentialrain

New Member
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?

Literally, you're sitting at a keyboard or at a phone or something, looking at these words, perhaps looking around right now... where does all this come from?

Who invented "sound," for example... not a particular sound, but the experience of sound itself?

Clearly however sound was invented, it must have been in a "workshop" outside of the mind. That workshop must be inconceivable, unimaginable, beyond all our concepts and percepts and time and space -- beyond existence and non-existence itself.

Perhaps it lives in a paradoxical realm as far beyond our comprehension as we are to amoeba.

What is the nature of that workshop?

Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
Earth is one of the "workshops" in which a physiological structure that could turn the physical stimulus of compression waves in air or water into a psychological sensation of sound has evolved.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?

Literally, you're sitting at a keyboard or at a phone or something, looking at these words, perhaps looking around right now... where does all this come from?

Who invented "sound," for example... not a particular sound, but the experience of sound itself?

Clearly however sound was invented, it must have been in a "workshop" outside of the mind. That workshop must be inconceivable, unimaginable, beyond all our concepts and percepts and time and space -- beyond existence and non-existence itself.

Perhaps it lives in a paradoxical realm as far beyond our comprehension as we are to amoeba.

What is the nature of that workshop?

Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?
I suggest you read the fictional short story Murder Mysteries by Neil Gaiman. The setting is a pre-existence where angels are essentially engaged in workshops to create the human experience. An angel is found dead and Lucifer, per God’s direction, tasks another angel to investigate.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Sound is simply the vibration of air. It was not invented. The fact that people have ears that can hear that sound is another story. I am sure there are evolutionists that would say there was some little organism that decided it could survive better if it could hear so it evolved an ear. Creationist would say that a superior being designed the idea of an ear an made it happen. Who is right? Both sides will fight to the end to say they are right.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?...
I would consider those questions to be para-religious as they are just big questions, but I do ask them. Our existence seems to break the seeming causality of things. On the one hand every event and object appears to come from others. On the other hand there does not appear to be any reason for the entire chain of events leading up to the current moment. A big question is what causes the chain of events or whether there is a cause. It is illogical to make a conclusion. Reducing from what we do know about existence it seems to me equally logical to imagine a cause as to imagine that we are not real and do not exist. When I think about it existence doesn't make sense. It would make more sense to me if there were nothing.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?

Literally, you're sitting at a keyboard or at a phone or something, looking at these words, perhaps looking around right now... where does all this come from?

Who invented "sound," for example... not a particular sound, but the experience of sound itself?

Clearly however sound was invented, it must have been in a "workshop" outside of the mind. That workshop must be inconceivable, unimaginable, beyond all our concepts and percepts and time and space -- beyond existence and non-existence itself.

Perhaps it lives in a paradoxical realm as far beyond our comprehension as we are to amoeba.

What is the nature of that workshop?

Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?

The world was made from through to and for Jesus. Note the for.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?
My guess is that said being is simply eager to learn more and is on a quest that never ends.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?
We are one of the users of the workshop, basically chemistry.
As for existence and non-existence, we do not have the answer at the moment. The answer depends on whether the universe is eternal or it arose 'ex-nihilo'.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?

Asking the purpose of existence is a very deep question as you wrote.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?

Literally, you're sitting at a keyboard or at a phone or something, looking at these words, perhaps looking around right now... where does all this come from?

Who invented "sound," for example... not a particular sound, but the experience of sound itself?

Clearly however sound was invented, it must have been in a "workshop" outside of the mind. That workshop must be inconceivable, unimaginable, beyond all our concepts and percepts and time and space -- beyond existence and non-existence itself.

Perhaps it lives in a paradoxical realm as far beyond our comprehension as we are to amoeba.

What is the nature of that workshop?

Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?

How would help to know why you have sound ans the workings of the workshop?

What level of knowledge/answers you want supersedes the answers ane whats given to you already?

Of course, its natural to ask why questions. Religion ia no special. Whys are for everyone regardless the level of their religious pride.

What would you have that you dont have already if your questions of Why were answeree?
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I sometimes think about these questions myself.

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Sums it up for me.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Earth is one of the "workshops" in which a physiological structure that could turn the physical stimulus of compression waves in air or water into a psychological sensation of sound has evolved.
I know my daughter who has some limitations really.really likes that psychological sensation especially when it's music.. and I have been told she is an odd looking child but I have zero idea what they are talking about.. maybe it's the 10 cranial operations with about 150 stitches per operation. I have no idea but I do know she loves music.
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Axe Elf

Prophet
I know my daughter who has some limitations really.really likes that psychological sensation especially when it's music.. and I have been told she is an odd looking child but I have zero idea what they are talking about.. maybe it's the 10 cranial operations with about 150 stitches per operation. I have no idea but I do know she loves music.
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You never forget your first bass guitar.
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Workshop??? (How did we get there?)

Since literature is the only escape and was already brought up I suggest reading (available by search free to read online) a short story or a novella by Ayn Rand called Anthem.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?

Literally, you're sitting at a keyboard or at a phone or something, looking at these words, perhaps looking around right now... where does all this come from?

Who invented "sound," for example... not a particular sound, but the experience of sound itself?

Clearly however sound was invented, it must have been in a "workshop" outside of the mind. That workshop must be inconceivable, unimaginable, beyond all our concepts and percepts and time and space -- beyond existence and non-existence itself.

Perhaps it lives in a paradoxical realm as far beyond our comprehension as we are to amoeba.

What is the nature of that workshop?

Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?

That we humans can contemplate and appreciate our own existence is wondrous beyond comprehension. It's why art, rather than science, philosophy, or religion is the greatest all human achievement.

 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?

Literally, you're sitting at a keyboard or at a phone or something, looking at these words, perhaps looking around right now... where does all this come from?

Who invented "sound," for example... not a particular sound, but the experience of sound itself?

Clearly however sound was invented, it must have been in a "workshop" outside of the mind. That workshop must be inconceivable, unimaginable, beyond all our concepts and percepts and time and space -- beyond existence and non-existence itself.

Perhaps it lives in a paradoxical realm as far beyond our comprehension as we are to amoeba.

What is the nature of that workshop?

Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?
I think this philosophical question gets a little easier to answer when you cease to focus on what is perceived to be the crux of it all.
What drew me to religion and spirituality in the first place was the deep sense of why... of the strangeness of existence. What the hell is all this?!? Does anyone else feel this way?

Literally, you're sitting at a keyboard or at a phone or something, looking at these words, perhaps looking around right now... where does all this come from?

Who invented "sound," for example... not a particular sound, but the experience of sound itself?

Clearly however sound was invented, it must have been in a "workshop" outside of the mind. That workshop must be inconceivable, unimaginable, beyond all our concepts and percepts and time and space -- beyond existence and non-existence itself.

Perhaps it lives in a paradoxical realm as far beyond our comprehension as we are to amoeba.

What is the nature of that workshop?

Whatever -- whoever -- uses that workshop creates all the specifics, all the particulars, from the largest to the smallest... but how does it do that and why?
Givin what the sciences have discovered already, what make you think there was a "workshop" involved. I'm on board with the awe and mysteries though. :0)
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
@torrentialrain

Can you elaborate a bit on how the feeling of wonderment or strangeness led you to feel that the world was invented or designed? Not everybody takes that path of reasoning, so I'm curious how you got there. Maybe you're not sure and it's just a feeling or hunch, but I'm curious nonetheless.
 
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