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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
ImmortalFlame said:
So "no", then?


Why do you need to differentiate atheists and non-theists and render the terms mutually exclusive? What is wrong with atheism being an umbrella term that includes non-theists?
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It includes non-sentient items as well.

Now if you are willing to accept ignorant as a synonym.....for atheist....
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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Thief said:
It includes non-sentient items as well.

Now if you are willing to accept ignorant as a synonym.....for atheist....
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Straw man BIT TIME!!! Do you know what "synonym" means? No one has argued on here that atheism = ignorance. We are arguing that those who are ignorant of the concept of God can be INCLUDED under the term "atheism".

Your pathetic attempt to create a straw man argument shows your complete ignorance of these terms. Can you answer my questions now?
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
answer my last post.
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Already did. You obviously don't know what the term "synonym" means, as no one has argued that "atheism" is synonymous with "ignorance". Those that are ignorant of the concept of God can merely be INCLUDED under the general term "atheist". That's all. Please don't create blatant straw men.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
leibowde84 said:
Already did. You obviously don't know what the term "synonym" means, as no one has argued that "atheism" is synonymous with "ignorance". Those that are ignorant of the concept of God can merely be INCLUDED under the general term "atheist". That's all. Please don't create blatant straw men.
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I was asking you to accept the notion.
It's implied.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Interesting statistics from Pew: 5 facts about atheists | Pew Research Center

Especially this part
3 Although the literal definition of “atheist” is “a person who believes that God does not exist,” according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, 14% of those who call themselves atheists also say they believe in God or a universal spirit. That includes 5% who say they are “absolutely certain” about the existence of God or a universal spirit. Alternatively, there are many people who fit the dictionary definition of “atheist” but do not call themselves atheists. More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%).
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leibowde84

leibowde84

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Thief said:
I was asking you to accept the notion.
It's implied.
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What is "implied" specifically? Can you please do a better job explaining your arguments. This is just about as close as you can get to a "meaningless comment", as you haven't said anything. You just constantly make general statements without any support.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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Thief said:
It's implied....children don't know God
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Is this another straw man? We have only argued that children who are not familiar with the concept of God are ignorant to the concept of God. This is indisputable fact, as it is basic logic. There is no way around it. If you are not familiar with something you are ignorant of it by definition. Can't argue with this one.
 
ImmortalFlame

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Ouroboros said:
Interesting statistics from Pew: 5 facts about atheists | Pew Research Center

Especially this part
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I see your definition (which is hotly contested in the comments section of the same page) and raise you these definitions:

Atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
atheist - definition of atheist in English from the Oxford dictionary
Atheist - definition of atheist by The Free Dictionary
Atheist | Define Atheist at Dictionary.com
Atheism | Definition of atheism by Merriam-Webster
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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Thief said:
It's implied....children don't know God
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If, some day, we found evidence that showed that children miraculously started life with an inherent belief in God, then they would no longer be considered implicit atheists. Further, as soon as the are familiar with the concept of God, they are no longer implicit atheists. We have said this over and over.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
leibowde84 said:
What is "implied" specifically? Can you please do a better job explaining your arguments. This is just about as close as you can get to a "meaningless comment", as you haven't said anything. You just constantly make general statements without any support.
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and implying that children are atheists is not a support.
Children can be ignorant of God....
and you then call them atheists?
by default?

and anyone who ignores God is what?
 
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