The difference between a living person and a dead person

[Pegg]

Just because our bodies die, doesn't mean that God can't create them again

You dont think God can create a body again?

our bodies are made of molocules... God made all the molecules that are found in the physical world.. so why couldnt he put some of those molecules from the dust together and re-created a body for someone who had died?

He created a body for someone who did not exist, namely Adam.... so im sure he can do so and he says that is what he is going to do through the prophets of the hebrew & greek scriptures including Jesus Christ himself.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Nay to all postings so far....
The disciple said....
'let me linger here a few days, as my father has passed....'
And He said....
'Follow Me...and let the dead bury the dead.'
Obviously there is a 'quality' not yet addressed.

Luke [9 vs59-62] No where does it say linger a few days....

The man's father was still alive.
The man wanted to wait until after his father died before he would follow Jesus. [If that man was 20 that could have been a long wait]
In other words, he was attaching conditions before he would follow Jesus.
The 'quality' he was exposing was just how poorly he viewed speaking about God's kingdom to others as Jesus and his followers were doing.
- Matt. 8vs21,22; Luke 4v43.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You dont think God can create a body again?

Ummm ... if you look again, you'll see that I was saying that God INDEED can do so (and will do so)

Just because our bodies die, does not mean that God can't create them again

 

[Thief]

Luke [9 vs59-62] No where does it say linger a few days....

The man's father was still alive.
The man wanted to wait until after his father died before he would follow Jesus. [If that man was 20 that could have been a long wait]
In other words, he was attaching conditions before he would follow Jesus.
The 'quality' he was exposing was just how poorly he viewed speaking about God's kingdom to others as Jesus and his followers were doing.
- Matt. 8vs21,22; Luke 4v43.

I will stop chasing after your false leads.
Your post is a truly a poor read of the verses at hand.

When the Carpenter said ...'Let the dead bury the dead.'.....He meant it.

Apparently you do not understand.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I will stop chasing after your false leads.
Your post is a truly a poor read of the verses at hand.
When the Carpenter said ...'Let the dead bury the dead.'.....He meant it.
Apparently you do not understand.

Literal dead people can't bury anyone.
Jesus was talking about those in a 'spiritually dead' condition.
-Matt 8v22; Luke 9vs59-62

If the man's father was actually dead at that time, why wouldn't that man's son already be with his late father and family instead of away from the family listening to Jesus ?

 

[Thief]

Literal dead people can't bury anyone.
Jesus was talking about those in a 'spiritually dead' condition.
-Matt 8v22; Luke 9vs59-62

If the man's father was actually dead at that time, why wouldn't that man's son already be with his late father and family instead of away from the family listening to Jesus ?

Would he?

And yes...a dead man can bury a dead man.
You cannot take away...'let the dead bury the dead...'

It is a spiritual statement.... true.
It is a literal statement...true.

 

[jasonwill2]

Would he?

And yes...a dead man can bury a dead man.
You cannot take away...'let the dead bury the dead...'

It is a spiritual statement.... true.
It is a literal statement...true.

wait, how literal do you mean "a dead man can bury a dead man"?

Also, being an ex Christian myself, I can say that I always took this passage as being a parable. It's definitely in Jesus's typical parable style, I don't think it was a literal event any more than any of his other parables.

 

[Thief]

wait, how literal do you mean "a dead man can bury a dead man"?

Also, being an ex Christian myself, I can say that I always took this passage as being a parable. It's definitely in Jesus's typical parable style, I don't think it was a literal event any more than any of his other parables.

Okay......we are all dead (so to speak)...we just haven't stopped breathing.

Some of us will go on after we stop breathing....some won't.
Those of us who will, are already alive...spiritually.
Those of us who won't...are already dead.

Spiritually, some people have never lived.

 

[jasonwill2]

Okay......we are all dead (so to speak)...we just haven't stopped breathing.

Some of us will go on after we stop breathing....some won't.
Those of us who will, are already alive...spiritually.
Those of us who won't...are already dead.

Spiritually, some people have never lived.

ok, you made it sound really literal and worried me for a second lol. I understand what you mean though, I'm familiar with the concept of being spiritually dead.

 

[Protester]

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What is the difference between a living person who is attending a wake (nakikipaglamay), and a dead person who is in the coffin and being waked upon (pinaglalamayan)?

you had a better question, then some I was looking at.

Webster's 1913 Dictionary

DEAD:

Dead /Dead/ (dĕd), a. [OE. ded, dead, deed, AS. deád; akin to OS. dōd, D. dood, G. todt, tot, Icel. dauðr, Sw. & Dan. död, Goth. daubs; prop. p. p. of an old verb meaning to die. See Die, and cf. Death.] 1. Deprived of life; -- opposed to alive and living; reduced to that state of a being in which the organs of motion and life have irrevocably ceased to perform their functions; as, a dead tree; a dead man. "The queen, my lord, is dead." Shak.
The crew, all except himself, were dead of hunger. Arbuthnot.
Seek him with candle, bring him dead or living. Shak.
2. Destitute of life; inanimate; as, dead matter.
3. Resembling death in appearance or quality; without show of life; deathlike; as, a dead sleep.
4. Still as death; motionless; inactive; useless; as, dead calm; a dead load or weight.
5. So constructed as not to transmit sound; soundless; as, a dead floor.
6. Unproductive; bringing no gain; unprofitable; as, dead capital; dead stock in trade.
7. Lacking spirit; dull; lusterless; cheerless; as, dead eye; dead fire; dead color, etc.
8. Monotonous or unvaried; as, a dead level or pain; a dead wall. "The ground is a dead flat." C. Reade.
9. Sure as death; unerring; fixed; complete; as, a dead shot; a dead certainty.
I had them a dead bargain. Goldsmith. 10. Bringing death; deadly. Shak. 11. Wanting in religious spirit and vitality; as, dead faith; dead works. "Dead in trespasses." Eph. ii. 1. 12. (Paint.) (a) Flat; without gloss; -- said of painting which has been applied purposely to have this effect. (b) Not brilliant; not rich; thus, brown is a dead color, as compared with crimson. 13. (Law) Cut off from the rights of a citizen; deprived of the power of enjoying the rights of property; as, one banished or becoming a monk is civilly dead. 14. (Mach.) Not imparting motion or power; as, the dead spindle of a lathe, etc. See Spindle.

So, one could very well wonder at times if there is very much difference between the one in the casket and no one blandly looking on.:sarcastic

Of course, how many Christians would look upon the matter:

Luke 20:38 "Now He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to Him."---Scripture Quotations Taken from the NASB


Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary for the above
Luke 20:38:

38. not . . . of the dead, . . . for all, &c.—To God, no human being is dead, or ever will be; but all sustain an abiding conscious relation to Him. But the "all" here meant "those who shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world." These sustain a gracious covenant relation to God, which cannot be dissolved. In this sense our Lord affirms that for Moses to call the Lord the "God" of His patriarchal servants if at that moment they had no existence, would be unworthy of Him. He "would be ashamed to be called their God, if He had not prepared for them a city" (Heb 11:16). How precious are these glimpses of the resurrection state!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

you had a better question, then some I was looking at.
Webster's 1913 Dictionary
DEAD:
Dead /Dead/ (dĕd), a. [OE. ded, dead, deed, AS. deád; akin to OS. dōd, D. dood, G. todt, tot, Icel. dauðr, Sw. & Dan. död, Goth. daubs; prop. p. p. of an old verb meaning to die. See Die, and cf. Death.] 1. Deprived of life; -- opposed to alive and living; reduced to that state of a being in which the organs of motion and life have irrevocably ceased to perform their functions; as, a dead tree; a dead man. "The queen, my lord, is dead." Shak.
The crew, all except himself, were dead of hunger. Arbuthnot.
Seek him with candle, bring him dead or living. Shak.
2. Destitute of life; inanimate; as, dead matter.
3. Resembling death in appearance or quality; without show of life; deathlike; as, a dead sleep.
4. Still as death; motionless; inactive; useless; as, dead calm; a dead load or weight.
5. So constructed as not to transmit sound; soundless; as, a dead floor.
6. Unproductive; bringing no gain; unprofitable; as, dead capital; dead stock in trade.
7. Lacking spirit; dull; lusterless; cheerless; as, dead eye; dead fire; dead color, etc.
8. Monotonous or unvaried; as, a dead level or pain; a dead wall. "The ground is a dead flat." C. Reade.
9. Sure as death; unerring; fixed; complete; as, a dead shot; a dead certainty.
I had them a dead bargain. Goldsmith. 10. Bringing death; deadly. Shak. 11. Wanting in religious spirit and vitality; as, dead faith; dead works. "Dead in trespasses." Eph. ii. 1. 12. (Paint.) (a) Flat; without gloss; -- said of painting which has been applied purposely to have this effect. (b) Not brilliant; not rich; thus, brown is a dead color, as compared with crimson. 13. (Law) Cut off from the rights of a citizen; deprived of the power of enjoying the rights of property; as, one banished or becoming a monk is civilly dead. 14. (Mach.) Not imparting motion or power; as, the dead spindle of a lathe, etc. See Spindle.
So, one could very well wonder at times if there is very much difference between the one in the casket and no one blandly looking on.:sarcastic
Of course, how many Christians would look upon the matter:
Luke 20:38 "Now He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to Him."---Scripture Quotations Taken from the NASB
Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary for the above
Luke 20:38:
38. not . . . of the dead, . . . for all, &c.—To God, no human being is dead, or ever will be; but all sustain an abiding conscious relation to Him. But the "all" here meant "those who shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world." These sustain a gracious covenant relation to God, which cannot be dissolved. In this sense our Lord affirms that for Moses to call the Lord the "God" of His patriarchal servants if at that moment they had no existence, would be unworthy of Him. He "would be ashamed to be called their God, if He had not prepared for them a city" (Heb 11:16). How precious are these glimpses of the resurrection state!

Being 'God of the living' because of the resurrection.
Because of Jesus their resurrection back to life was a guarantee.
They are as good as living because they will have a resurrection. -Acts 24v15
None of those of Hebrews chapter 11 saw the fulfillment of the 'promise'
[God's promise to Abraham that all families and all nations of earth will be blessed. Blessed with curing or healing. [Gen 12v3; 22v18;Rev 22v2;21vs4,5] According Heb. [11vs13,39] the resurrection for them is future.
Future as meaning during the time of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.
They will be as 'princes' in all the earth.-Psalm 45v16.

 

[Protester]

Being 'God of the living' because of the resurrection.
Because of Jesus their resurrection back to life was a guarantee.
They are as good as living because they will have a resurrection. -Acts 24v15
None of those of Hebrews chapter 11 saw the fulfillment of the 'promise'
[God's promise to Abraham that all families and all nations of earth will be blessed. Blessed with curing or healing. [Gen 12v3; 22v18;Rev 22v2;21vs4,5] According Heb. [11vs13,39] the resurrection for them is future.
Future as meaning during the time of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.
They will be as 'princes' in all the earth.-Psalm 45v16.

I will point out, that one of the three man of Jamison, Fausset, and Brown commentary(1871) at least one was a dispensationalist. , a position I agree with. So if you are a futurist in eschatology, I would agree with you, q.v., Eschatology in general, ESCHATOLOGY - Different Rapture Views* and futurist in particular, Has Biblical Prophecy Already Been Fulfilled?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Has 1st Thessalonians [5 vs2,3] already happened ? [fulfilled]

1st Thess, says the precursor to the great tribulation was when they [powers that be] are saying 'peace and security' or 'peace and safety' is when sudden [surprise] destruction would come.

In the past God used the political/military as his 'long arm of the law' to carry out justice.
He did that with ancient Israel, and with the Roman armies when Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70 CE.
So, there is good reason that once again God will use the political world to go against the world's false religious sector that has run afoul playing false to God and his Word.
- Rev. chap. 17,18

 

[Nadia Faiazova]

Hi there! Holy Scriptures answer this quetion:"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten" (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

 

[muhammad_isa]

Hi there! Holy Scriptures answer this quetion:"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten" (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

you said that before..

So .. Jesus (peace be with him), must be wrong then (according to you), when he says otherwise in the Gospel
Perhaps I should quote half-a-verse, and see if you can make sense of that!

 

[Pegg]

you said that before..

So .. Jesus (peace be with him), must be wrong then (according to you), when he says otherwise in the Gospel
Perhaps I should quote half-a-verse, and see if you can make sense of that!

Jesus was a Jew and he believed the hebrew scriptures and what they taught. He upheld the writings of the prophets and the writings of the Torah. In all the wriings of the hebrew scriptures the condition of the dead is exactly what 'dead' means. It means there is no more consicousness

so Jesus never promoted the idea that there is consciousness after death. When he resurrected Lazarus from the grave, Lazarus came out of the grave alive after being in an unconscious dead state for 4 days. He did not exist in heaven after he had died for if he had of, the scriptures would have mentioned it. Yet Jesus said that 'Lazarus is sleeping...he has died"

And Jesus also said that no man has ever ascended up to heaven. So if you really think Jesus taught of an after life i'd be interested to know which verses from the scriptures you are referring to.

 

[muhammad_isa]

.. if you really think Jesus taught of an after life i'd be interested to know which verses from the scriptures you are referring to.

Oh come on! I'm tired of this .. it's as clear as daylight .. or haven't you read the NT?

According to you then, I can wrong others ( kill them, rob them etc. ), and maybe get away with it..

Nay! Anybody who properly understands Scripture knows that this is delusion

The trumpet wil be blown .. and we will all be brought to life once more .. the judgement will surely come!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Oh come on! I'm tired of this .. it's as clear as daylight .. or haven't you read the NT?
According to you then, I can wrong others ( kill them, rob them etc. ), and maybe get away with it..
Nay! Anybody who properly understands Scripture knows that this is delusion
The trumpet wil be blown .. and we will all be brought to life once more .. the judgement will surely come!

Isn't there a difference between what people think of as 'afterlife' and the biblical 'resurrection' ?

People might view 'after life' as in meaning being alive at the time of death.
Alive in another realm because they are immortal.[death proof]
[Scripture teaches Not immortal but the sinning soul dies at Ezekiel 18vs4,20]
Whereas 'resurrection' is being raised from the dead after death.
Raised to either spirit life in heaven as God resurrected Jesus from the dead.
Or, to be resurrected on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

Isn't there also a difference between unintentional sin and deliberate sin?
Hebrews [10vs26,27]
An 'unrepentant' practice of sin can lead to committing the unforgivable sin.
[Matt 12v32; Hebrews 6vs4-6; 2ns Peter 3v9]

1st John [1v7] mentions Jesus blood cleanses 'all'.
But because 'all' will not end up accepting Jesus is why Matthew [20v28]
wrote that Jesus ransom covers [Not all] but covers: 'MANY'.

Those that are of the many, or majority, are covered by Romans [6vs7,23].
Except for those of Matthew 12v32], the rest, or majority, of mankind is covered by Romans [6v7] meaning that the one who has died is freed or acquitted of sin. That does Not mean innocent.
Rather, meaning as a Judge can pardon a person so the crime [sin] charge no longer sticks.

So, under Jesus 'thousand-year judgment day' the majority of mankind will have the opportunity to loose their imperfect 'sinful nature',
and then gain a perfect 'sinless nature' as Adam originally had at his creation