The dishonesty of creationists.

[tumbleweed41]

That's right. If you can't deny the facts, attack the person. Classic evolutionist tactics. Ridicule, bully, Expell (if possible). Ben Stein's movie Expelled exposed this blatant hypocrisy.

The only "fact" exposed here is the tendency of Creationists to misrepresent others through quote mining.

Hence the title of this thread.

 

[Alceste]

Simple. You are misrepresenting what the fossil evidence shows. And God is not a "she"

No, the fossil evidence is completely unambiguous: The vast majority of fossils we have recovered belong to animals that no longer exist. They all died, and if your hypoothesis is correct, that must all be due to God's total incompetence as a designer of life forms and biospheres to support them. Or are you saying God WANTED the vast majority of her creations to completely die out, like a moody writer who keeps crumpling up the first page of her first novel and throwing it away?

You think god has a penis? What for?

 

[rusra02]

The only thing Ben Stein exposed is his ignorance and willingness to lie.

Spoken like a true disciple of the ToE.

 

[Majikthise]

1. The "firmament" as the KJV Bible calls it is called an "expanse" in modern translations or atmosphere where birds later flew "upon the face of the expanse of the heavens". (Genesis 1:20) The Bible says "There were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; and by those [means] the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. (2 Peter 3:5,6) So the waters above the expanse were suspended and created a greenhouse effect on earth. Thus Adam and Eve could walk about without clothes in comfort. These waters above the expanse fell during the Deluge.

2. The Bible speaks about Jehovah as the One perfect in knowledge. (Job 37:16)
As the Source of all life, God's wisdom is beyond our understanding. He is "the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them." (Acts 4:24) So God is the source of all accurate knowledge.

God decides what is good or bad. He does not need man for this. "Who teaches him in the path of justice, or teaches him knowledge, or makes him know the very way of real understanding? Look! The nations are as a drop from a bucket; and as the film of dust on the scales they have been accounted." (Isaiah 40:12-15)​

3. Yes, chapter two expands upon the account in chapter one. It is not a separate account.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Yeah, the copy of the bible I have is KJV.
After I posted my questions to you I found a thread discussing the relationship between Genesis 1 and 2.

I'm anxious to know what you thought of The God Hypothesis and what questions you might have for me about it.

 

[Majikthise]

Oh, good your here. I've got to go out and dig a grave for our hamster before I go to work. I.ll be back in a little bit.

 

[outhouse]

Spoken like a true disciple of the ToE.

One doesnt need to be a disciple as its not a religion and no faith is required.

ONLY a education is required to shine a light on the subject.

Evolution has been observed and is fact and scientific theory.

 

[Majikthise]

C'mon rusra02, gimmee some sugar.

 

[McBell]

Spoken like a true disciple of the ToE.

Ah
Yet another glimpse into your fantasy world....

 

[outhouse]

Ah
Yet another glimpse into your fantasy world....

I wish it wasnt just creationist that follow the theme of the thread.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

You still haven't learned that abiogenesis and evolution are two different subjects, have you.

We have a 'bingo'

 

[Majikthise]

rusra02 isn't going to read The God hypothesis like I asked him to, is he?

 

[fantome profane]

rusra02 isn't going to read The God hypothesis like I asked him to, is he?

Probably not. But to be honest with you I don’t think it is a good idea to proselytize atheism in this particular forum in this particular thread. I am not saying you are doing anything wrong, it is just that we spend so much time trying to explain to creationists that evolution is not atheism. And they get confused so easily. I think it would be a good idea to keep the “God debate” and the “evolution debate” as separate as possible.

 

[outhouse]

rusra02 isn't going to read The God hypothesis like I asked him to, is he?

Nope, never.

 

[Matthew78]

Probably not. But to be honest with you I don’t think it is a good idea to proselytize atheism in this particular forum in this particular thread. I am not saying you are doing anything wrong, it is just that we spend so much time trying to explain to creationists that evolution is not atheism. And they get confused so easily. I think it would be a good idea to keep the “God debate” and the “evolution debate” as separate as possible.

Rusra is so convinced that evolution is an evil conspiracy against his faith community. But how does he explain Christian evolutionists like Kenneth Miller and others? Is Miller just a useful idiot? Is he some weak-minded compromiser? Maybe Miller is just lying and really isn't a Christian. Oh, that's right! Miller is a Roman Catholic! That explains everything!

 

[religion99]

Nobody created the World. Period.

 

[Krok]

The Shermana post http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ple-question-creationists-30.html#post2770029. Tiktaalik is a perfect transitional fossil.

Creationists make up their own straw men about transitional fossils and then quote the scientific articles explicitly stating that these fossils have features of both the older organisms and the descendants, to pretend that those fossils are not transitional. Then they state that "transitional fossils" don't exist. I think it is the pinnacle of dishonesty.

Same with Austrolopithecus. Don't creationists have any shame? I mean, they keep on telling untruths, are shown exactly where they don't tell the truth, but keep on telling those untruths!

Shermana is a liar. That's it.

 

[rusra02]

Nobody created the World. Period.

The effect demonstrates a Cause. A beautiful vase does not just appear out of nothing. Nor a chair, a bed, nor a person's name carved in a piece of wood. They all had makers. The Bible assures us that "he that constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) The Earth is marvelously designed and constructed for life, as honest scientists will admit, with far too many finely-tuned processes to have arisen by chance.

 

[Krok]

The effect demonstrates a Cause. A beautiful vase does not just appear out of nothing. Nor a chair, a bed, nor a person's name carved in a piece of wood. They all had makers. The Bible assures us that "he that constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) The Earth is marvelously designed and constructed for life, as honest scientists will admit, with far too many finely-tuned processes to have arisen by chance.

What's the cause of your god, then?

 

[Krok]

... The Earth is marvelously designed and constructed for life, as honest scientists will admit, with far too many finely-tuned processes to have arisen by chance.

Another lie. No "honest scientist" has ever said that the Universe, the earth, life, etc. was "arisen" by chance.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

And none would support the fine-tuned argument given how error-ridden the idea is.