The dishonesty of creationists.

[ragordon168]

Unfortunately, many of the leaders in the Creationist debate use the ignorance of their followers to misrepresent and falsify science.

easy enough thing to do if you think about it. if you know nothing of a certain field (biology, archaeology, etc) and a man with a degree in that field comes along and tells you things about that field you'll believe it because of the credentials.

i'm currently studying a physics degree, if my lecturer walked in and started talking absolute BS about an area i have yet to study then of course i'd believe him as he's the teacher.

thankfully with the amount of background reading i have to do i'd catch on quite quickly that is was BS, but if someone didn't bother with the background reading then they could easily be fooled.

 

[ragordon168]

I think you misunderstood - the quote is posted as counter-evidence to the dishonest claim by creationists that Darwin was a racist.

thanks for that i was totally lol. I read the source given in the link and still didnt get a sense of racism from the text though.

 

[tumbleweed41]

easy enough thing to do if you think about it. if you know nothing of a certain field (biology, archaeology, etc) and a man with a degree in that field comes along and tells you things about that field you'll believe it because of the credentials.

i'm currently studying a physics degree, if my lecturer walked in and started talking absolute BS about an area i have yet to study then of course i'd believe him as he's the teacher.

thankfully with the amount of background reading i have to do i'd catch on quite quickly that is was BS, but if someone didn't bother with the background reading then they could easily be fooled.

It is also easy enough to find the truth. Unless one enjoys ignorance. Or is afraid of what they may find.

 

[ellenjanuary]

I hate 'em. I'm sorry, but I hate 'em. A month or so ago, I'm like staring into my Bible; looking at the line that causes all the nonsense:

God created man is his image.

All of a sudden, I'm like, "holy ....! I caught 'em all!"

Game, set, and match. Using the image of man to define god? Nope, nope, nope...

 

[ragordon168]

It is also easy enough to find the truth. Unless one enjoys ignorance. Or is afraid of what they may find.

thats the problem though people (or sheepeople) will listen to and follow anything. if you tell a small child something enough times they will eventually accept it as the word of god (excuse the pun)

that is how some religious people get started, their parents/religious leader/ teachers drummed it into their heads at a young age and they don't question it later in life.

i'm not saying people dont find god later in life but the majority of religious people i know come from religious families.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Creationist are also fond of pointing out mistakes or frauds in fossil discovery, such as Piltdown man and Nebraska man. What they fail to mention, (intellectual dishonesty again), is that while these finds caused public excitement, it was the very anthropologists and biologists that they claim have a "agenda" that discovered these to both be frauds.

Concerning Java man, creationist point to the early discoveries of a skullcap and teeth as being inconclusive. They fail to mention other finds in the area that support the existence of Java man(Peking man), or that further research has placed Java man as a "cousin" but not an ancestor of modern humans.

 

[rojse]

thats the problem though people (or sheepeople) will listen to and follow anything. if you tell a small child something enough times they will eventually accept it as the word of god (excuse the pun)

that is how some religious people get started, their parents/religious leader/ teachers drummed it into their heads at a young age and they don't question it later in life.

i'm not saying people dont find god later in life but the majority of religious people i know come from religious families.

But the fact that religious people come from religious families is not conclusive proof of anything, let alone indoctrination. For example, this factoid could be used as proof that Sensus Divinus is hereditary in nature.

 

[tumbleweed41]

But the fact that religious people come from religious families is not conclusive proof of anything, let alone indoctrination. For example, this factoid could be used as proof that Sensus Divinus is hereditary in nature.

Not only did I come from a very religious conservative Baptist family. I was also a Deacon and Youth Director in a Southern Baptist church less than ten years ago.
As a leader in the church, I felt it was my responsibility to learn as much about the Bible as I could. It was my research and an non-dogmatic approach that led me to eventually reject all reveled revelations, and take a more rational look at life.

 

[MSizer]

Not only did I come from a very religious conservative Baptist family. I was also a Deacon and Youth Director in a Southern Baptist church less than ten years ago.

No way! I didn't know that about you tumbleweed. crazy. That's a fast deprogramming.

 

[tumbleweed41]

No way! I didn't know that about you tumbleweed. crazy. That's a fast deprogramming.

Reading Sagan's 'The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark', was a big help after I left the church.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Catdogs, crocducks, horsecows.

Need I say more to demonstrate the intellectual dishonesty in "Creation Science"?

 

[JMorris]

Catdogs, crocducks, horsecows.

Need I say more to demonstrate the intellectual dishonesty in "Creation Science"?

im pretty sure the term "Creation Science" is all you need to say in order to demonstrate the intellectual dishonesty in "Creation Science"

 

[ellenjanuary]

im pretty sure the term "Creation Science" is all you need to say in order to demonstrate the intellectual dishonesty in "Creation Science"

Ain't got nothing on ID. Seems to be what ID actually abbreviates.

 

[ManTimeForgot]

Ain't got nothing on ID. Seems to be what ID actually abbreviates.

When intelligent design is used as a code for "Genesis account of creation" then it is purely intellectual dishonesty. Intelligent design evidences ET not "God"

MTF

 

[themadhair]

When intelligent design is used as a code for "Genesis account of creation" then it is purely intellectual dishonesty. Intelligent design evidences ET not "God"

Interesting history to all of this. Creationism was being peddled through such works as ‘Panda’s and People’. The creationists hit a problem in the late 80’s when the Supreme court ruled that teaching religion in public science classes violates the establishment clause.

The creationist response was to rewrite textbooks like ‘Panda’s and People’. The replaced ‘creator’ with ‘intelligent agent’, ‘creation’ with ‘intelligent design’, etc. It is exactly the same shoite just with key words substituted in an attempt to get around the Supreme court.

 

[MSizer]

Interesting history to all of this. Creationism was being peddled through such works as ‘Panda’s and People’. The creationists hit a problem in the late 80’s when the Supreme court ruled that teaching religion in public science classes violates the establishment clause.

The creationist response was to rewrite textbooks like ‘Panda’s and People’. The replaced ‘creator’ with ‘intelligent agent’, ‘creation’ with ‘intelligent design’, etc. It is exactly the same shoite just with key words substituted in an attempt to get around the Supreme court.

Yes, and "Creationism's missing link" cut/paste was a hilarious embarassment for ID'ers.

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/11/cdesign_propone.html

haha, too much.

 

[tumbleweed41]

"cdesign proponentsists" -Love it!! The missing link between Creationist and IDers. LOL

 

[themadhair]

Major kudos has to go to Barbara Forrester who read through all the versions to unearth this comedy gold. No wonder they tried to bar her testimony in Dover.

 

[MSizer]

Major kudos has to go to Barbara Forrester who read through all the versions to unearth this comedy gold. No wonder they tried to bar her testimony in Dover.

I don't understand - barring her testimony would be trying to hide the truth. Isn't that essentially what lying is? Why would god fearing creationists want to lie?

 

[themadhair]

Why would god fearing creationists want to lie?

Asking the wrong person here mate. I hear that Alan Bonsel and Bill Buckingham are the folks to talk to for that.