The Downfall of the Left

[Mindmaster]

Unless there is a massive domestic terrorist attack on our government I doubt there will be any change or any less corruption (on either side as both are incredibly corrupt. If you think the democrats are somehow more corrupt than the republicans you are sleeping). But I don't condone that either.

I don't think the Republicans are nearly in the same state, mostly because it's more like 12+ factions that agree on a couple of things. It simply doesn't have the one-pointed idealism that drives the Democrats into the ground, anyway due to Trump expect the party to become WAY more moderate to line up with the Commander-in-Chief. The party members with ambitions will try to embrace Trump to get his backing, and that's sort of good for the liberals even though they'd never vote Rep regardless of the issues.

 

[Stevicus]

We can literally make the argument that the Democrats have been trying to destroy the USA for the last hundred years, and the point is?

1) Ghetto plantations and strong men
2) Promoting racial identity and causing divides
3) Overt racism via KKK, and Jim Crow
4) Supporting globalism to the point of economically destroying us...
5) Supporting fascism, using the IRS as a minion to attack political enemies
6) Starting riots
7) Creating actual slaves with entitlement programs
8) Ruining Medicare/caid, destroying individuals with Obamacare hostage situation...
9) Stealing 9 trillion dollars from us to prop up failed banks that should have been closed.

I mean, you pick a side of anything and they're on the wrong one EVERY single time. I can respect liberal points of view, but the Democrats are just retarded. You guys gotta start a new party that doesn't involved corrupt pieces of trash, and no... the Green party isn't an alternative, they're bought and sold to the DNC...

I think the bigger problem with the Democrats is that they alienated their own constituency of blue collar/working class voters and started going off into la-la land. They abandoned their economic agenda (conceding it to the Republicans) and put all their eggs in social issues. They ostracized guys like Jerry Brown and Ralph Nader in favor of the Clintons, and that's where they went totally wrong.

But some of the items on your list here are more on the Republicans than the Democrats, particularly when it comes to supporting globalism and propping up failed banks. The thing that always gets me about Republicans is that they're such shameless whores selling out America for a meager, short-term profit (which hasn't provided any net benefit for America, despite all their BS about it being "good for the country"). Even though Clinton supported NAFTA, a lot of Democrats did not, while the Republicans were absolutely unanimous on the issue of NAFTA. The Republicans supported NAFTA, along with selling out to Japan, Red China, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, etc. Whores. That's likely the reason why Trump resonated with a lot of folks and why he was so vilified by even his own party (at first).

And since the Republicans have been such shameless champions of big business and the notion that private sector profit is good no matter what, then anything committed by the international business community is all on them. This includes the drug trade, human trafficking, slavery, organized crime - it's all on the Republicans, since they believe that anyone who is wealthy is good, regardless of how they actually made their money. The Democrats (other than the Clintons and Obama) have traditionally wanted to restrain the excesses of big business and pushed for more humanitarian causes to help the victims of big business. But the irredeemable whores of the GOP have fought against any kind of regulation tooth and nail, since that might undercut the Mafia's profit margin.

So, the Democrats were wrong for abandoning their economic principles and pushing more for a social agenda. The Republicans were wrong for abandoning their principles entirely in favor of myopic policies and short-term profits, and this is why the rank-and-file got behind Trump instead of one of the "approved" candidates which were part of the original GOP field. Many people don't like Trump's principles, but at least he has principles, unlike the majority of the GOP leadership. Whores have no principles.

 

[Mindmaster]

So, the Democrats were wrong for abandoning their economic principles and pushing more for a social agenda. The Republicans were wrong for abandoning their principles entirely in favor of myopic policies and short-term profits, and this is why the rank-and-file got behind Trump instead of one of the "approved" candidates which were part of the original GOP field. Many people don't like Trump's principles, but at least he has principles, unlike the majority of the GOP leadership. Whores have no principles.

I agree with much of what you said, but I think the nature of the Republican party tends to weed out the non-working models. I mean, we went from Neo-Cons to someone who is a centrist populist, and this is nearly a 180-degree reversal. The post-Trump Republican party is going to be _WAY_ more moderate in the past, and as the Democrats become more extreme, I have no doubt it will become even MORE moderate in reaction.

Anyway, the media is afraid of Trump, but there is no reason. Even his rapidly deployed executive orders are just things to protect Americans, and that is what he promised. As far as I can see, he is keeping his campaign promises and if he does that he's gonna be one of the best Presidents ever. Exactly the type of shot in the arm our country needs at this time, an honest, but astute man of action... I think Trump could be a better public speaker, but man as a guy to get things done I really don't know of anyone that would work harder in the seat.

 

[Underhill]

Many people may not realize it right now, but the protests, the violence, the chants of "not my president," etc., are only going to hurt the Democratic Party in the long run. Moderates and swing voters are looking at that behavior and they will associate it with the Left. When future elections roll around, those same swing voters may think twice before aligning themselves with the Left because of it.

To the protesters, it may seem like they are standing up for a cause they believe in. Ultimately, they are driving a wedge between the Left and everyone else. Politically, they are their own worst enemy.

Yes, because protest clearly had a devastating impact on the left in the 60's...

 

[Underhill]

I agree with much of what you said, but I think the nature of the Republican party tends to weed out the non-working models. I mean, we went from Neo-Cons to someone who is a centrist populist, and this is nearly a 180-degree reversal. The post-Trump Republican party is going to be _WAY_ more moderate in the past, and as the Democrats become more extreme, I have no doubt it will become even MORE moderate in reaction.

Anyway, the media is afraid of Trump, but there is no reason. Even his rapidly deployed executive orders are just things to protect Americans, and that is what he promised. As far as I can see, he is keeping his campaign promises and if he does that he's gonna be one of the best Presidents ever. Exactly the type of shot in the arm our country needs at this time, an honest, but astute man of action... I think Trump could be a better public speaker, but man as a guy to get things done I really don't know of anyone that would work harder in the seat.

You really think it will be more moderate after Trump? I thought that was possible prior to the election. But I am already seeing things that make me think he will be a wet dream for social republicans.

 

[Mindmaster]

You really think it will be more moderate after Trump? I thought that was possible prior to the election. But I am already seeing things that make me think he will be a wet dream for social republicans.

I think Trump, himself, is a moderate person. That's going to give him advantages when the Democratic leaders are going nuts, and he decides to close the gap. He certainly is doing some things to appease the right ATM but his positions on LGBT, straightening out the Democratic wreckage (Chicago), and other things are well known. You know that he made some concessions to the far right to get their support, and I would too; it's hard to win with a fractured party and the paleo-cons and neo-cons never liked Trump. Trump's support comes from "Trump cons" and no one else really, but he swayed just enough of the party right to clinch.

Anyway, I think the only anti-left position he really has is in regard to abortions and personally I find the left position a bit too absolute.

 

[Underhill]

I think Trump, himself, is a moderate person. That's going to give him advantages when the Democratic leaders are going nuts, and he decides to close the gap. He certainly is doing some things to appease the right ATM but his positions on LGBT, straightening out the Democratic wreckage (Chicago), and other things are well known. You know that he made some concessions to the far right to get their support, and I would too; it's hard to win with a fractured party and the paleo-cons and neo-cons never liked Trump. Trump's support comes from "Trump cons" and no one else really, but he swayed just enough of the party right to clinch.

Anyway, I think the only anti-left position he really has is in regard to abortions and personally I find the left position a bit too absolute.

I suspect he has made a bit of a deal with the devil to get Republican support for the rest of his agenda. But we shall see. His inclusion of several very religious people (including Pence) in his administration signals to me that he plans to follow the party line on social issues.

 

[Neo Deist]

Yes, because protest clearly had a devastating impact on the left in the 60's...

This ain't the 60s.

 

[Mindmaster]

I suspect he has made a bit of a deal with the devil to get Republican support for the rest of his agenda. But we shall see. His inclusion of several very religious people (including Pence) in his administration signals to me that he plans to follow the party line on social issues.

Pence isn't terribly bad, at least not as bad as some of the fringe elements. I think Trump is trying to walk the party to a more moderate stance, but he's gradually doing so. At least, that's what I think of his current actions. Pence was simply to address any shortcomings in Trump, and we can probably agree that Pence is the polar opposite -> calm, conservative, mild, devout Christian, and pretty much a party-line guy in the right. No doubt, Pence was mostly there to get the far right votes...

 

[Underhill]

This ain't the 60s.

No doubt, but I don't buy your conclusion that these massive protest aren't working. They may not have an immediate affect. But most of the protesters are young people getting their first taste of active participation in government. Much as the liberal movement from Carter to Obama was largely the result of the 60's, we could very well be seeing the future of politics 20-40 years in the future.

 

[Underhill]

Pence isn't terribly bad, at least not as bad as some of the fringe elements. I think Trump is trying to walk the party to a more moderate stance, but he's gradually doing so. At least, that's what I think of his current actions. Pence was simply to address any shortcomings in Trump, and we can probably agree that Pence is the polar opposite -> calm, conservative, mild, devout Christian, and pretty much a party-line guy in the right. No doubt, Pence was mostly there to get the far right votes...

I hear you. And it is very possible he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. But I just don't know. So far I see no signs of him moderating anything.

 

[Neo Deist]

No doubt, but I don't buy your conclusion that these massive protest aren't working. They may not have an immediate affect. But most of the protesters are young people getting their first taste of active participation in government. Much as the liberal movement from Carter to Obama was largely the result of the 60's, we could very well be seeing the future of politics 20-40 years in the future.

The protests only work for those that are firmly entrenched with the Left. It is a rallying cry for them. The Right couldn't care less about the protests and only see them as an annoyance. The Moderates might be a bit more open to them, but once the violence and destruction starts, they turn away.

 

[Underhill]

The protests only work for those that are firmly entrenched with the Left. It is a rallying cry for them. The Right couldn't care less about the protests and only see them as an annoyance. The Moderates might be a bit more open to them, but once the violence and destruction starts, they turn away.

Of course, And I think that is the point. The goal is to create a movement for the mid terms. Obviously it's early, but I could see a complete reversal in both the house and senate of the kind that could last for a long time.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I don't think the Republicans are nearly in the same state, mostly because it's more like 12+ factions that agree on a couple of things. It simply doesn't have the one-pointed idealism that drives the Democrats into the ground, anyway due to Trump expect the party to become WAY more moderate to line up with the Commander-in-Chief. The party members with ambitions will try to embrace Trump to get his backing, and that's sort of good for the liberals even though they'd never vote Rep regardless of the issues.

What are you using to define moderate? Trump doesn't line up on the scale of conservative to liberal. He lines up on the scale of unresonable to crazy.

 

[Mindmaster]

What are you using to define moderate? Trump doesn't line up on the scale of conservative to liberal. He lines up on the scale of unresonable to crazy.

I guess you'd be a qualified psychiatrist then capable of actually making that diagnosis then, eh?

You guys are so insanely cute and pathetic...

I'm not on anyone's team here, TBH. But, if anyone is in crazy town it's the party that has communists, feminists, racists, and is pro-Radical Islam to the point where it cannot even say it like it's some damn dirty word. Trump might not be crazy at all, it might just be well... A crazy person doesn't know they're crazy...

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I guess you'd be a qualified psychiatrist then capable of actually making that diagnosis then, eh?

You guys are so insanely cute and pathetic...

I'm not on anyone's team here, TBH. But, if anyone is in crazy town it's the party that has communists, feminists, racists, and is pro-Radical Islam to the point where it cannot even say it like it's some damn dirty word. Trump might not be crazy at all, it might just be well... A crazy person doesn't know they're crazy...

I love it when conservatives think I'm a democrat. Its like I'm an undercover agent. Same when liberals thing I'm republican. I also think its funny that people put feminist, communists, racists and radical Islamists together when they all have nothing to do with each other.

Is this a joke post or is it a serious one? Its funny if its a joke. Its funnier if it isn't.