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The end, and other matters.

"Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.”
“There will be food shortages.”
“There will be great earthquakes.”
“There will be . . . pestilences.”
These are all signs that armogeddon is near its end. These also are all things that have been on the earth for a long long time. Tell me, where do you see the nearing end?

even the people that you are 'warned' of are around, and have been for a good time now.

lovers of themselves
lovers of money
disobedient to parents
disloyal
having no natural affection
without self-control
fierce
lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God
having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power

The Watchtower even says:
Have people become like that in your community? No doubt they have. There are people everywhere who have bad traits. This shows that God will soon act, for the Bible says: “When the wicked ones sprout as the vegetation and all the practicers of what is hurtful blossom forth, it is that they may be annihilated forever.”—Psalm 92:7.
I really dont see any end to this occuring, even a process isnt in the works.



Where is armogeddon.
 
I added other matters so i dont have to keep making a new thread because you seem to be the only JW that is active at this point, and I might come across other things.

time to break out the coffee.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
"Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.”
“There will be food shortages.”
“There will be great earthquakes.”
“There will be . . . pestilences.”
These are all signs that armogeddon is near its end. These also are all things that have been on the earth for a long long time. Tell me, where do you see the nearing end?

These are not signs that Armageddon is nearing its end...they ar signs that we are living in a period called the 'last days' They are what Jesus gave as the evidence that his rulership had begun.

And yes, there have always been these things on earth, but the sign is that 'each' of these things would be happening simultaneously...in other words, we would see numerous wars, pestilences, earthquakes and food shortages occurring simultaneously around the earth at the same time. They are not simply isolated incidences but they are to be seen throughout the earth all together.


even the people that you are 'warned' of are around, and have been for a good time now.

lovers of themselves
lovers of money
disobedient to parents
disloyal
having no natural affection
without self-control
fierce
lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God
having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power

The Watchtower even says:
Have people become like that in your community? No doubt they have. There are people everywhere who have bad traits. This shows that God will soon act, for the Bible says: “When the wicked ones sprout as the vegetation and all the practicers of what is hurtful blossom forth, it is that they may be annihilated forever.”—Psalm 92:7.
I really dont see any end to this occuring, even a process isnt in the works.

Where is armogeddon.

One of the signs you didnt mention above is the sign of the worldwide preaching work....
"and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth and then the end (armageddon) will come"

So we have not seen armageddon because the good news of the kingdom is still being preached and God is still gathering people...it is really up to God to decide when the preaching is accomplished enough to bring armageddon. We are all waiting for it but we are also thankful that it hasn't come yet because there are still many people who have yet to hear the good news and many who are yet to make a choice.

The bible tells us at 2 PETER 3:9. “Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, . . . but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.”

He has been gathering people and giving people the opportunity to make a choice...when he is satisfied that the preaching is complete, then im sure armageddon will arrive.
 
Why does it matter who hasnt heard it yet.
Gods supposedly ressurecting everyone for 1000 years then getting satan back out of his dog cage and seeing who still doesnt believe him, and kill them all.
By the book of rev. everyone will be destroyed.
 
And just some extra off to the side questions.

1. If the organization did not actually prophesy the end in 1925 and 1975, then how come so many Witnesses left the faith immediately afterwards? ("They lost roughly three-quarters of the movement between 1925 and 1928, then suffered huge losses after 1975, when the end didn't come as they had implied over and over again," said Jim Penton, an ex-Witness who writes entries on Jehovah's Witnesses for the Encyclopedia Americana.)

2. If the Watchtower organization rejects others calling them "inspired" yet the Watchtower organization does call themselves "God's Spirit-directed Prophet" what is the difference? Is there such a thing as an "uninspired prophet"?

3. Has the Society ever taught anything scripturally incorrect?

4. Might the Society be teaching anything scripturally incorrect now?

5. Since the Organization has received "new light" regarding the 1914 generation, and completely changed their view on this, does this mean that all the former Jehovah's witnesses who were disfellowshipped years ago for the same view the organization is now teaching will automatically be accepted into fellowship again? Were these Ex-Jw's in fact disfellowshipped for truth and knew things that the governing body did not?
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Why does it matter who hasnt heard it yet.
Gods supposedly ressurecting everyone for 1000 years then getting satan back out of his dog cage and seeing who still doesnt believe him, and kill them all.
By the book of rev. everyone will be destroyed.

Well firstly, Armageddon is a judgement time... God will be calling everyone to account...and he will cut off those who have chosen to not stand with him....he will separate those who are with him and those who are against him.
Matthew 25:"31-33 “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left."

Once he has determined who is who, then those on his left will 'depart into everlasting cutting off' ...this basically means they will die and thats why its so important that everyone has the opportunity to make a choice now. God does not want anyone to die, he would absolutely love it if everyone chose to come under his rule, but the fact is that many will choose not to and that choice is theirs to make.

With regard to the resurrected ones...these ones are everybody who has died in the past, meaning anyone who died before armageddon, whether they knew God or not. They will all be brought back to life so that they too can make a choice. They will live during the 1000 year rule of Christ and at the end of that 1,000 years, they will have to decide once more. Many will once again choose to stand with God but many will choose not to and these ones will die.
 
I might have been mixed with the 1000 years, my apologies. But also the ones in neither group would be the ones alive still that indeed had no hearing of such a god, or this religon, or were never informed properly.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
And just some extra off to the side questions.

1. If the organization did not actually prophesy the end in 1925 and 1975, then how come so many Witnesses left the faith immediately afterwards? ("They lost roughly three-quarters of the movement between 1925 and 1928, then suffered huge losses after 1975, when the end didn't come as they had implied over and over again," said Jim Penton, an ex-Witness who writes entries on Jehovah's Witnesses for the Encyclopedia Americana.)
I have had a lot of long hard discussions with my husband over this issue because he also points out that the organization was wrong many times. We researched it together and found that in fact, it was never an offical teaching of the organization that 1975 would be when armageddon would occur. It was only some within the organization who made such speculations and it came to be viewed as a teaching...but infact it wasnt.

i want to show you the 1970 May WT article entitled 'An ingathering of all mankind' and you'll see what i mean:
5 Everyone would like to know how much longer the present system will continue and when God’s purpose will be accomplished on earth in the same full way as in heaven. Jesus answered that “this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth . . . and then the end will come.” Here in the Greek Bible text he used the word telos or “end” to distinguish what he meant from the syn‧téleia or “conclusion” of the system of things, the harvest period, in which we now live. (Compare Matthew 24:3, 6, Diaglott.) How close we may exactly be to the end of the present divisive system of things cannot be predicted, as Jesus reported that even he did not know the day or the hour at the time of his earthly ministry. (Matt. 24:36) However, Bible chronology which indicates that Adam was created in the fall of the year 4026 B.C.E. would bring us down to the year 1975 C.E. as the date marking 6,000 years of human history with yet 1,000 years to come for Christ’s Kingdom rule. So whatever the date for the end of this system, it is clear that the time left is reduced"

Now some brothers and sisters took that to mean that 1975 must be the year for armageddon, but the brothers did not say that...they said that 1975 marked 6,000 years of human history...they weren't saying that 1975 was the end.


2. If the Watchtower organization rejects others calling them "inspired" yet the Watchtower organization does call themselves "God's Spirit-directed Prophet" what is the difference? Is there such a thing as an "uninspired prophet"?
The WT organization has never claimed to be prophets. Even brother Russell did not claim to be a prophet. All the prophecies that God has provided have been provided and they are in the bible...there are no new prophecies and the WT organization have not made any new prophecies.

They merely read what is already available and in Gods due time he reveals to them, thru his spirit (hence the term 'spirit directed') what those things mean.
3. Has the Society ever taught anything scripturally incorrect?
Yes they have at times. The reason is because sometimes they have speculated rather then wait for full understanding...and the difficulty in this is that if you have an idea, how do you know if its only your idea or if God gave you the idea. Well the answer comes when Gods gives it, not before and so just like Jesus Apostles, sometimes they have jumped ahead and speculated on what they think best fit a particular scripture and if a clearer understanding becomes available, then they know that they were wrong.

But the important thing is that when they finally understood something, they were willing to make the change and admit the mistake. Thats important for it shows that they really are being led by holy spirit.

4. Might the Society be teaching anything scripturally incorrect now?
Yes its possible. There was a small change about 3 years ago to do with their understanding of the 'generation who would see the end' and that new understanding was welcomed.

The point about our understanding is that God only tells us things as we need to know them... as we get closer to the end our understanding increases. It did not matter to the apostles that Jesus did not know the day or hour for Armageddon...Jesus was smart enough not to speculate... the important thing is that he was approved by God and so it is, i believe, with the WT society. They are approved by God because of the stand they have taken for Jehovah. They are the only ones willing to make his name known throughout the earth...even though that means ridicule and he loves them for that.

5. Since the Organization has received "new light" regarding the 1914 generation, and completely changed their view on this, does this mean that all the former Jehovah's witnesses who were disfellowshipped years ago for the same view the organization is now teaching will automatically be accepted into fellowship again? Were these Ex-Jw's in fact disfellowshipped for truth and knew things that the governing body did not?

Im not 100% what you mean here...from what i understand the 'generation' was originally thought to be those who saw the outbreak of ww1. But in more recent times its been revealed that the 'generation' actually are all people from that time thru to those who will see the end of this system because the 'last days' spans the entire period.
Can you tell me who the 'ex jws' are and why they are 'ex'? Were they disfellowshipped for some reason or did they leave the organization over the change in the meaning of generation??
 
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Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
I might have been mixed with the 1000 years, my apologies. But also the ones in neither group would be the ones alive still that indeed had no hearing of such a god, or this religon, or were never informed properly.

i am only speculating here, but it is possible that those who do not hear the message before armageddon and who are never given the choice may be spared at that time

i certainly like to think that will be the case...i cannot say for sure though what will happen to them. We know that God is a God of love and we can trust that his judgment of people at that time will be the right judgment because God sees what is in a persons heart.... think about the Apostle Paul, he was persecuting Christians but God could see that his heart was pure and when Jesus revealed himself to Paul in vision, Paul immediately accepted and became a christian.
 

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Question Everything
(Old Testament | Joel 2:30 - 31)
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

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31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Where is armogeddon.

just wait :) It's almost here!
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
(Old Testament | Joel2:30 - 31)
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

911_tribute.JPG


31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.



just wait :) It's almost here!

No, sorry, armageddon has nothing to do with the petty wars of mankind or acts of terrorism. Mankind will not be fighting in armageddon... Jesus and his angels will be.
 

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Question Everything
i am only speculating here, but it is possible that those who do not hear the message before armageddon and who are never given the choice may be spared at that time.

Millennium
A millennium is a period of 1,000 years. When we speak of "the Millennium," we refer to the 1,000 years following the Savior's Second Coming (see Revelation 20:4; D&C 29:11). During the Millennium, "Christ will reign personally upon the earth" (Articles of Faith 1:10).


The millennium will be the time during which those who did not hear the message before armageddon will hear it - and make their choice...

see: Baptisms for the Dead

click on all of the addional materials etc. etc.
 

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Question Everything
No, sorry, armageddon has nothing to do with the petty wars of mankind or acts of terrorism. Mankind will not be fighting in armageddon... Jesus and his angels will be.

Who do you think His angels are? Once you die - you become an angel ;) hopefully...

The whole Bible is about what? us - our wars, contentions, fighting on Earth. The fight is currently, and will continue to be, right here - on Earth.

(Topical Guide | WWorld, End of:Entry)
World, End of (see also Day of the Lord; Earth, Cleansing of; Jesus Christ, Second Coming of; Last Days; World)
Ps. 22:27 All the ends of the w. shall remember
Ps. 50:3 (Zeph. 3:8) Our God shall come ... a fire shall devour before him
Isa. 4:4 Lord shall have ... purged ... by the spirit of burning
Isa. 5:30 light is darkened in the heavens
Isa. 10:22 (2 Ne. 20:22) consumption decreed shall overflow
Isa. 13:9 he shall destroy the sinners
Isa. 28:22 consumption, even determined upon the whole earth
Isa. 34:5 (D&C 1:36) my sword ... shall come down upon Idumea (Idumea = the Earth)
Isa. 62:11 Lord hath proclaimed unto the end of the world.
Isa. 65:17 (Rev. 21:1) new earth: and the former shall not be remembered
Ezek. 35:15 shalt be desolate ... all Idumea
Ezek. 38:22 hailstones, fire, and brimstone
Joel 2:30 wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire
Joel 3:15 sun and the moon shall be darkened
Zeph. 1:15 day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness
Zeph. 2:3 be hid in the day of the Lord's anger
Mal. 3:2 like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap
Mal. 4:1 day cometh, that shall burn as an oven
Matt. 13:40 (Jacob 6:3) fire, so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matt. 13:49 at the end of the w. ... sever the wicked
Matt. 24:3 sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world.
Matt. 28:20 with you alway, even unto the end of the world.
Mark 13:25 stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers
2 Thes. 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not
2 Pet. 3:10 (3 Ne. 26:3; D&C 101:25) elements shall melt with fervent heat
1 Jn. 2:17 w. passeth away
Rev. 6:12 sun became black ... moon became as blood
1 Ne. 14:22 he shall also write concerning the end of the world.
2 Ne. 23:10 stars ... shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened
Jacob 5:77 my vineyard will I cause to be burned with fire
Morm. 9:2 earth shall be rolled together as a scroll
D&C 19:3 destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the w.
D&C 29:14 before this great day ... signs in heaven
D&C 29:23 heaven and the earth shall be consumed
D&C 43:31 little season, and then cometh the end of the earth
D&C 45:22 Ye say that ye know that the end of the w. cometh
D&C 63:21 earth shall be transfigured
D&C 64:24 after today cometh the burning
D&C 87:6 consumption decreed hath made a full end of all
D&C 88:26 notwithstanding it shall die, it shall be quickened
D&C 97:23 Lord's scourge shall pass over by night and by day
JS-M 1:4 sign ... of the end of the w.
JS-M 1:55 end of the earth is not yet
JS-H 1:37 day cometh that shall burn as an oven.
 
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Watchtower, 1973 July 1st p.402

Jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God’s holy spirit or force (Zech,4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah’s purpose and to his praise. To it alone God’s Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book.(I'm not sure if this means that it is changing or that anyone can read it?)


The Watchtower of April 1st, 1972, page 197, had this statement, "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?...These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses...Of course it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?"

For 2.
Millions Alive Will Not Die
...we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old. -- pages 89-90

The August 15, 1968 Watchtower
Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah's loving and timely purposes....It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." -- page 499


The problem with the answers for 3 and 4 is that they change continuously. And as they change they become less credible by common sense. replaceing waht is suppose to be set in stone is something you arent suppose to do.

for 5, the 1914 'theory' had changed and before that people stood out against the teaching of the WT org. That is grounds for disfellowshipping, because that is standing out agains the word of god. Many people, though, did step away from the religon, while a few did get disfellowshipped. I'll find the link to that later on, but the question is rarely answered by elders. I cant find proof of the disfellowshipping, so you can ignore this if you want, there are just stoires of it in most places. but i did find proof of the many flip flops of this.
This Generation (Mathew 24:34)...

-1927
= The Anointed
[Watchtower February 15, 1927 page 62]

-1942 = Anyone alive to see 1914
[Watchtower July 1, 1942 page 204]

-1995 = Wicked People alive today
[Watchtower November 1, 1995 page 19]

-2008 = The Anointed
[Watchtower February 15, 2008 page 24]
 
Who do you think His angels are? Once you die - you become an angel ;) hopefully...

The whole Bible is about what? us - our wars, contentions, fighting on Earth. The fight is currently, and will continue to be, right here - on Earth.

(Topical Guide | WWorld, End of:Entry)
World, End of (see also Day of the Lord; Earth, Cleansing of; Jesus Christ, Second Coming of; Last Days; World)
Ps. 22:27 All the ends of the w. shall remember
Ps. 50:3 (Zeph. 3:8) Our God shall come ... a fire shall devour before him
Isa. 4:4 Lord shall have ... purged ... by the spirit of burning
Isa. 5:30 light is darkened in the heavens
Isa. 10:22 (2 Ne. 20:22) consumption decreed shall overflow
Isa. 13:9 he shall destroy the sinners
Isa. 28:22 consumption, even determined upon the whole earth
Isa. 34:5 (D&C 1:36) my sword ... shall come down upon Idumea (Idumea = the Earth)
Isa. 62:11 Lord hath proclaimed unto the end of the world.
Isa. 65:17 (Rev. 21:1) new earth: and the former shall not be remembered
Ezek. 35:15 shalt be desolate ... all Idumea
Ezek. 38:22 hailstones, fire, and brimstone
Joel 2:30 wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire
Joel 3:15 sun and the moon shall be darkened
Zeph. 1:15 day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness
Zeph. 2:3 be hid in the day of the Lord's anger
Mal. 3:2 like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap
Mal. 4:1 day cometh, that shall burn as an oven
Matt. 13:40 (Jacob 6:3) fire, so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matt. 13:49 at the end of the w. ... sever the wicked
Matt. 24:3 sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world.
Matt. 28:20 with you alway, even unto the end of the world.
Mark 13:25 stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers
2 Thes. 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not
2 Pet. 3:10 (3 Ne. 26:3; D&C 101:25) elements shall melt with fervent heat
1 Jn. 2:17 w. passeth away
Rev. 6:12 sun became black ... moon became as blood
1 Ne. 14:22 he shall also write concerning the end of the world.
2 Ne. 23:10 stars ... shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened
Jacob 5:77 my vineyard will I cause to be burned with fire
Morm. 9:2 earth shall be rolled together as a scroll
D&C 19:3 destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the w.
D&C 29:14 before this great day ... signs in heaven
D&C 29:23 heaven and the earth shall be consumed
D&C 43:31 little season, and then cometh the end of the earth
D&C 45:22 Ye say that ye know that the end of the w. cometh
D&C 63:21 earth shall be transfigured
D&C 64:24 after today cometh the burning
D&C 87:6 consumption decreed hath made a full end of all
D&C 88:26 notwithstanding it shall die, it shall be quickened
D&C 97:23 Lord's scourge shall pass over by night and by day
JS-M 1:4 sign ... of the end of the w.
JS-M 1:55 end of the earth is not yet
JS-H 1:37 day cometh that shall burn as an oven.


This religon isnt in that way. Angels arent of humans. All humans turn to ash and return the earth as they die and when the 144,000 are needed they are accepted into heaven AFTER the 1000 years and the ones that died in the knowledge of the truth are resurected, the ones that died, and the ones that shut away with the knowledge do not come back but stay dead. yeaaa. I think thats right, correct me if im wrong some where Pegg.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Millennium
A millennium is a period of 1,000 years. When we speak of "the Millennium," we refer to the 1,000 years following the Savior's Second Coming (see Revelation 20:4; D&C 29:11). During the Millennium, "Christ will reign personally upon the earth" (Articles of Faith 1:10).


The millennium will be the time during which those who did not hear the message before armageddon will hear it - and make their choice...

see: Baptisms for the Dead

click on all of the addional materials etc. etc.

Ah, i thought you meant people in our time who are alive at armageddon who never had an opportunity to hear the message of the good news.

Yes, after armageddon there will be the resurrection of all who had died before hand.
Jesus spoke about these ones at John 5:28-29 "Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment

and Paul stated the same at Acts 24:15 “I have hope toward God . . . that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”

This really shows us that Gods intention is to give the gift of life to as many people as possible. He is often made out to be some kind of egotistical blood-thirsty megalomaniac, but he is most certainly not.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Watchtower, 1973 July 1st p.402

Jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God’s holy spirit or force (Zech,4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah’s purpose and to his praise. To it alone God’s Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book.(I'm not sure if this means that it is changing or that anyone can read it?)

I think its saying that Jehovah is only using one organization on earth today... much in the same way he only used one nation back in ancient times ( the isrealites) and then again the way he used just one nation in the 1st century (the christian congregation)

To many churchs, they simply dont understand the bible so to them it is a sealed book...but to Gods own organization it is not sealed, for the most part it is fairly well understood.

The Watchtower of April 1st, 1972, page 197, had this statement, "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?...These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses...Of course it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?"

I've read thru the entire article and it appears that they are not saying they are 'prophets' but rather they are doing the work that the prophets of old did by informing people of Gods word.

Do you notice how they continually put the word prophet in "apostrophes" That indicates that they are using the word prophet but not in its true sense. Notice what the intro says:
A third way of coming to know Jehovah God is through his representatives. In ancient times he sent prophets as his special messengers. While these men foretold things to come, they also served the people by telling them of God’s will for them at that time, often also warning them of dangers and calamities.....So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?

then the article goes on to say that Christendom have not acted as a prophet for God, rather they have failed God ...by approving a man-made political organization, the League of Nations (now the United Nations), as “the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth.” However, Jehovah did not let the people of Christendom, as led by the clergy, go without being warned that the League was a counterfeit substitute for the real kingdom of God. He had a “prophet” to warn them. This “prophet” was not one man, but was a body of men and women.

So you shouldnt take this article to mean that the society views its governing body or elders or anyone as prophets in the true sense of the word... we all act as prophets only in that we take the message to people just as the ancient prophets did.

For 2.
Millions Alive Will Not Die
...we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old. -- pages 89-90

The August 15, 1968 Watchtower
Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah's loving and timely purposes....It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." -- page 499-1927 = The Anointed

[Watchtower February 15, 1927 page 62]

-1942 = Anyone alive to see 1914
[Watchtower July 1, 1942 page 204]

-1995 = Wicked People alive today
[Watchtower November 1, 1995 page 19]

-2008 = The Anointed
[Watchtower February 15, 2008 page 24]​

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Yes its no secret that they have had things wrong in the past...they are more then happy to admit that. They may also have some things wrong right now, but I can assure you that they have a lot of things right and they are helping millions of people come to an accurate knowledge of some very fundamental beliefs like Who is God for a start...most people dont know him at all because they have been taught that Jesus is God.

We are very fortunate to know that truth.
 
Everyone views such things differently.
Religous people have a different mind set compaired to an athiest.
Like I said its different here. they tried to cover it so many times it just got tiring.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
This religon isnt in that way. Angels arent of humans. All humans turn to ash and return the earth as they die and when the 144,000 are needed they are accepted into heaven AFTER the 1000 years and the ones that died in the knowledge of the truth are resurected, the ones that died, and the ones that shut away with the knowledge do not come back but stay dead. yeaaa. I think thats right, correct me if im wrong some where Pegg.

You are partly right

We do return to the earth when we die...we dont become angels. If God wanted us to be angels, he could have created us that way to begin with.
But God has been gathering the 144,000 since the 1st century and from the time of Christs installment on the throne, they have been resurrected to heaven...some are still alive on earth today and these ones receive an instant transfer to heaven when they die physically. They are actually going to rule with Christ 'during' the 1,000 year reign and this is so that we can have judges who were once imperfect like us...they understand out weaknesses and will help us during that 1,000 year judgement day.

And the resurrection will include both those who knew God and those who did not know him. Basically everyone who has lived and died over the past several centuries, God will bring back to life for a second chance under the rule of Jesus christ. They will have 1000 years to make a choice.
 

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Question Everything
This religon isnt in that way. Angels arent of humans. All humans turn to ash and return the earth as they die and when the 144,000 are needed they are accepted into heaven AFTER the 1000 years and the ones that died in the knowledge of the truth are resurected, the ones that died, and the ones that shut away with the knowledge do not come back but stay dead. yeaaa. I think thats right, correct me if im wrong some where Pegg.

James 2:26
26 ... the body without the spirit is dead...

A spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have, Luke 24:39.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God, Rom. 8:16.

Glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, 1 Cor. 6:20.

This body is the body of my spirit, Ether 3:16.

that's right, JW's don't believe in a spirit (why not exactly?) ok - sorry, I see this is in a JW dir, so I better not post any more about body + spirit = living soul :cool:

 
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