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The end of the world has happened many times before.

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
I agree. So many religious scriptures, seers, and prophets have predicted doom and gloom for thousands of years, and yet this world goes on. The only end of the world will be when the sun expands and takes out everything in it's way, in another 5 billion years or so (if I remember correctly). Chances are, humans won't even be around then to see it happen. Doomsday prophets really need to find something better to do with their time.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Is it possible there are two meanings to "near end"?. Most people when they hear "the end is near" think that it is being said that it will be soon. Maybe it means near to being possible. Why does the Bible use the word near that means "to make near"? Man has no power over when things happen to the world. But men are endowed with the power to determine what will happen to the world. Can it be what Christianity is about? That is what I think the end is near means in the Bible. Bad men will cause it. Good men will prevent it. I mean might prevent it. That is what it means.
 

The Fog Horn

Active Member
Savagewind. Did you actually watch the video?

The end of the world has been predicted throughout the world via various religions for millenia because the entire world has regularly had to deal with massive catastrophies and, in the old days, those who witnessed such events did what they could to warn future generations.....songs, drawings, stories....oral tradition. As they were extremely supersticious, they didn't just warn people to build their houses on solid ground and not on the beach; they also warned people to not upset the nature gods or they would feel their wrath, fiery in the case of Yahweh the volcano god.

Here are some highlights from this thesis that analyses the effects of religion on the response time of residents near erupting volcanoes.

http://earthquake-report.com/2012/09...ano-eruptions/


Various natural disasters, for example: earthquakes and tsunami can provoke religious and cultural responses. However this thesis focuses on volcanic disasters for several reasons. Volcanoes not only produce various hazards, but eruptions can last days to years (e.g. Mt Etna, Sicily). Another reason is that volcanoes are visually lasting and due to long dormancy times can often create various oral traditions over time.

Volcanic disasters provide notable examples of how cultures and religions shape societies and their risk mitigation strategies (Blong 1984), often referred to as ‘volcano sub-cultures’ (Dove 2008). Volcanic eruptions have the tendency to influence culture, livelihood and reasonings at the local scale. Along with the cultural and religious concepts shaping communities, people’s behaviour and vulnerability, volcanic hazards are also known to be deeply rooted in the socio-economic context and historical development of an area (Chester 1998).

In most cases (e.g.: Mt. Merapi, Mt. Agung and Mt. Vesuvius), human populations who have lived in volcanically active areas for extended periods have oral histories of what can be interpreted as volcanic eruptions (Ort et al 2008). These oral histories can be remembered in legend or can often become incorporated into religious rituals. Transient or migrating populations that live around volcanic regions rarely show such grounded oral histories within their cultures and therefore are likely to be more vulnerable (Ort et al 2008).

Religious links to volcanism is still a debated topic. Elson et al (2002) describes the link in a somewhat lyrical fashion:

“[Volcanoes] are fire-breathing, earth-shaking creatures, who, accompanied by lightning and thunder, have the power to turn day into night… It is little wonder that ritual and volcanism go hand in hand.”

Oral traditions are a major faculty of culture that comes from living close to a certain landscape, they are often shaped and built on various stories from the land; either about the creation of a mountain, a previous event or even a possible future event. Oral histories of volcanic eruptions become integrated into societies and communities surrounding a volcano either through depiction in art, remembered via legend, or most often by becoming incorporated into religious rituals (Ort et al 2008).

It is not uncommon for various forms of communication, such as stories, songs, rituals or paintings to be created during a natural disaster; oral traditions are one such creation. Although shaped by compression, stylisation and time, given their nature of transmission through generations (Barber and Barber 2004), these oral traditions may be constructed, in part, to insure the adaptation of a society to the environment (Minc 1986), including mitigation of local volcanic hazards (Cashman and Cronin 2008) and disaster recovery (Shanklin 2007).

In many teachings of religions, the idea of natural disasters plays a major role; either as an act of God, a form of retribution or sometimes a consequence of sin for non-believers. The most well known examples of this idea are found within the holy texts of Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Hinduism.
 
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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I would read the book. I think the research done for the book is admirable. I think when people's mind's eye is trained on something they cannot see something else. I think that is the case with the author. It is a common thing to see the trees, not the forest. He might think he can see the forest, but I think he cannot. Of course, I might be wrong.
 

The Fog Horn

Active Member
I would read the book. I think the research done for the book is admirable. I think when people's mind's eye is trained on something they cannot see something else. I think that is the case with the author. It is a common thing to see the trees, not the forest. He might think he can see the forest, but I think he cannot. Of course, I might be wrong.

That's weird. You've now made two posts that seem totally unrelated to the video.

What do you think to the idea that religions were based on supersticion that arose from ignorance of the natural world, specifically volcanoes, seeing as volcanoes are the most awsome and numerous devastating natural phenomena?

You suggest he's only seeing the trees. If he's only seeing the trees then everyone else has been focusing on the twigs. He's taking it to the next level.
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
That's weird. You've now made two posts that seem totally unrelated to the video.

What do you think to the idea that religions were based on supersticion that arose from ignorance of the natural world, specifically volcanoes, seeing as volcanoes are the most awsome and numerous devastating natural phenomena?

You suggest he's only seeing the trees. If he's only seeing the trees then everyone else has been focusing on the twigs. He's taking it to the next level.

Actually, astronomy has more to do with the foundations of various religions than volcanoes do. But yes, I would have to agree that the vast majority of the supernaturalism in religions is due to ignorance of the natural world.
 

The Fog Horn

Active Member
Actually, astronomy has more to do with the foundations of various religions than volcanoes do. But yes, I would have to agree that the vast majority of the supernaturalism in religions is due to ignorance of the natural world.

When the awesome is explained and understood it ceases to be spooky.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
End of world warnings are just warnings made by ancient people due to them having witnessed major natural catastrophies.

The end of the WORLD......their world not THE world.
I would say BS. I honestly did not watch the entire video, as I simply couldn't stand it any longer. I wouldn't buy the book as I see little value in it.

It looks at religion and mythology completely incorrectly. The two developed differently, yet the video seems to assume that they are almost the same thing which is just wrong. Plus, the author is claiming to have this secret knowledge, or knowledge we are not told about, which instantly tells me that this is junk.

The idea that the pyramid is fashioned off a volcano really sums this all up though. It is nothing more than wishful thinking based on ignorance. The pyramid builders didn't first set off to build these great pyramids. Instead, it was a gradual process that started off as pretty simple tombs, that were just expanded on. So to say that a pyramid was fashioned off of a volcano requires one to ignore the actual process that ended up with the development of the pyramid. In other words, it is based on ignorance.

Also, the idea that they were predicting the end time (or whatever) is silly. Apocalyptic prophets have been out there for thousands of years, and everyone has failed in predicting the end (either or their own worlds or cultures, or of the world as a whole). The closest thing we get are individuals who see the impeding doom of an enemy, closing in on them with their war machines, and then they state the obvious. That is all.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
End of world warnings are just warnings made by ancient people due to them having witnessed major natural catastrophies.

The end of the WORLD......their world not THE world.
So I'm watching more of the video.

There is no logic in the talk about volcanoes. The assumption is that if there is a volcano in the area, it had to have influenced the people there. Yet, there is no evidence of that. Many volcanoes are not even known to be volcanoes, nor do people know what's going on with them, as they are either dormant or dead. So without some evidence that all of these volcanoes influenced someone, then it is just an illogical connection.

Also, the idea that early humans would have remembered the geographical location that their ancestors grew up in is ridiculous. My great grandmother grew up in Germany. I have no idea what the geography of where she grew up is like. So the assumption that one would know the geography of the place that their ancestors came from is laughable. And I already explained the problem with the pyramids (as in, they did not actually start off in the way that the Great Pyramids are).

Going to the Lake of Flames that does not burn. There are many ways for a lake to be on flames (and of course it doesn't burn as it is on water). If there is oil on the lake, that is set aflame, you will get the same thing.

No scholar thinks that the Osiris resurrection was the influence of the Christian resurrection. There is not a single scholar who says that. Primarily because Osiris rebirth was extremely different. It was hardly even a resurrection.

As for the volcanic references in Exodus, no scholar would accept that. To see a volcano there is to only see what one wants to see. Especially since no actual volcano can be pointed to here. Even the discussion of angels is working off of an idea that isn't in the Bible, but is actually later ideas. So really, the author here is retrojecting later ideas into a time period that they don't fit. Showing that the author did very little actual research.

The judgement days have nothing to do with end of times. Most of these have nothing to do with the end of times, but are misinterpreted by people who simply haven't done enough research. This is true for the largest of these end time prophecies (the Mayan calendar, and Revelations, both of which never even pretended to be predicting the end of time).

Jesus hasn't actually been equated to astronomical events, so that is just bull.

Religion is not a politically correct mythology. The authors comments regarding mythology show a complete lack of understanding of both religion and mythology.

That is as far as I could make myself go. The only thing that was demonstrated by this video is that the author hasn't done any credible research, and is instead just making things up to fit their own preconceived ideas.
 

The Fog Horn

Active Member
Pyramids representing volcanoes...

OH MY VOLCANO!!!: Pyramids = Volcanoes

You say it is illogical to assume volcanoes influenced the local people, their culture, their terminology, their religion. Hmmm.....so Hawaii doesn't have a volcano god then? Is that what you're saying? Volcanoes were just ignored? Maybe you believe the ancients knew what they were and just saw them as volcanoes and nothing else. Would it surprise you to know that even in Western civilisation, we only knew what volcanoes were a couple of hundred years ago? We are talking five, six, seven eight thousand years ago. Are you trying to tell me I am illogical for believing that the world's volcanoes DID have an influence on the local populace and their subsequent descendents?? Who are you trying to kid? Me or you?

Early humans did not need to remember the geological characteristics of their ancestors. Who said they did? have you never heard of 'oral tradition'? Passed on information from one generation to the next. Have you ever heard of Chinese Whispers? These two combined with volcanic origins can result in exactly what we have today, people worshipping an imaginery volcano god and using volcanic terminology without connecting the dots despite having never seen a volcano before. Amazing isn't it what the human race can achieve?

The lake of fire. Hmmmm.......what in the world could that be? Keeping it real and on this planet, what springs to mind? A lava filled crater is not exactly a wild speculation is it? Anything other than that, including a flaming oil topped water bath, is illogical. Why go for an extreme outsider when there is only one logical winner? Why ignore the 99.9% when it's staring you right in the face? Because facing the obvious doesn't fit into your view of things and is therefore inadmissible.

I am not up on Osiris so I shall not say anything about that but I do know that the Zeitgeist movie says the Jesus story was a very common one and is matched multiple times over. Whether that is accurate or not I do not know so don't go on about that one.

No scholar would accept the ten plagues were of volcanic origin? Instead of accusing published authors of not having done their research, maybe you should spend ten seconds checking your assumption. There are lots of people saying that and I know of at least one scholar who is waiting for a paper on the subject to be published in a journal....and he is an atheist Jew. From the way you respond to this issue I would hazard a guess you have never looked into it. May I suggest that you not only watch videos before discounting them and commenting on them but also do your own research before making defamatory comments about people who have managed to get their beliefs published?

End of time prophecies and 'judgement days' need to be exposed for the paranoia peddlers that they are but with compassion for their ignorance during an ignorant time. Billions of children have grown up with the fear the world is about to be destroyed and I think that has been a curse on the human race for long enough. It's about time we realised that these prophecies were nothing other than warnings of repeats of natural disasters....perfectly normal and not supernatural events.

Jesus has been equated to astronomical events in Zeitgiest but, again, don't go on about it as that's not my subject.

No, religion is not a politically correct mythology. It is a politically incorrect mythology. It's full of sexism, racism, inequality, slavery, murder, rape, incest, genocide, looting, theft, etc. Hardly politically correct is it?

I suggest it is you who has it wrong about mythology and religion. You are only seeing things from your theistic perspective. This man has got it bang on and he will be proven correct in the not too distant future.

Your last sentence should be aimed at you. You responded to this video before watching much of it and your responce was emotive rather than intellectual. I shouldn't bother to respond to such comments.

This man didn't produce this video to offend people but to educate them and I believe it is that fact you probably find impossible to believe.
 
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